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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 16:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 26, 2017 16:56:56 GMT -5
We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. As mentioned earlier in another thread, Arizona is a Nike school. My assumption is that since this is based on recruiting, then the Adidas angle is based on the recruits that play for Adidas AAU teams. Sure, there is often a high likelihood that an Adidas AAU recruit ends up at an Adidas college, but that's not always the case. As I understand it, there are two distinct issues that are addressed in the FBI's allegations. The first, which involves the four college coaches that were charged, relates to the coaches taking bribes to steer existing college players toward Adidas and/or financial advisers/agents as they moved into the pros. The second involves payments to high school kids to steer them toward certain schools (the most talked-about being Bowen to Louisville - allegedly). In this context, for the first category I'm not sure it matters whether the schools of the coaches that were charged were Adidas, Nike, etc. There is no reason that Adidas (or certain agents/financial planners) couldn't be bribing assistants at Nike, UA or other schools to steer their existing athletes to Adidas. It seems to me that given the facts that have come out today, the second category of things (i.e., paying HS players to secure commitments) would be limited to Adidas schools, but not the first. And, of course, this doesn't even address the potential that other shoe manufacturers may later be alleged to have been involved in similar conduct.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 16:59:00 GMT -5
We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. As mentioned earlier in another thread, Arizona is a Nike school. My assumption is that since this is based on recruiting, then the Adidas angle is based on the recruits that play for Adidas AAU teams. Sure, there is often a high likelihood that an Adidas AAU recruit ends up at an Adidas college, but that's not always the case. Richardson from Arizona was taking money from an agent with the assurance that he would push the kid(probably Jahvon Quinerly) their way when the time came.. It doesn't appear to be about recruiting in his case..
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Post by bamahoya11 on Sept 26, 2017 17:13:37 GMT -5
While the NCAA may not be actively complicit, I think this raises the issue of letting these guys go pro out of HS. The current rule has debased CBB and has created a two-tier system on the top blue bloods and everyone else. This started with Calipari and Worldwide Wes, and continued with the UNC academic fraud. It is frankly unfair to deny a CBB athlete the right to become a pro right away, like tennis, golf and baseball. Lets face it, the top athletes by and large just hang out in college for a year, or even less. Not to say they are "dumb", just that they can always get a degree down the line if it important to them. I think that getting rid of the one and done phenomenon will decrease these shenanigans. Yes, the true lowlifes will find another way to cheat, but right now, the money involved with one and dones is just too tempting. I like the baseball rule. You go directly out of high school or you stay a minimum of 3 years... This will minimize the corruption as I don't think there is ever a way to completely remove it. Cheaters will find away but you have taken away those kids who don't want to be in school. Even European teams will be more interested (and pay more $) in high school players because they will be signing 3 year contracts vs the 1 year hold my spot contract until I can get to the NBA. This rule will also show which college coaches can develop talent and which ones are riding elite players coattails. I would imagine that if the baseball rule was ever implemented, Calipari announcement of returning to the NBA would follow shortly after. I agree fully with most of this. I've always liked the baseball rule because it lets folks who are prepared go pro but gives those who go to college an incentive to stay in school, truly commit to a program, and get an education. That said, I think this is just the start. It's about time the NCAA get serious about regulating AAU programs and trying to keep the money out of high school sports. I think that's the real challenge here. Frankly, I'm fascinated by where this ends. I think one day college sports will be better because of this. But change should be coming, and fast.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 26, 2017 17:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 17:21:00 GMT -5
As mentioned earlier in another thread, Arizona is a Nike school. My assumption is that since this is based on recruiting, then the Adidas angle is based on the recruits that play for Adidas AAU teams. Sure, there is often a high likelihood that an Adidas AAU recruit ends up at an Adidas college, but that's not always the case. Richardson from Arizona was taking money from an agent with the assurance that he would push the kid(probably Jahvon Quinerly) their way when the time came.. It doesn't appear to be about recruiting in his case.. The court papers that have been released are absolutely just the proverbial tip of the iceberg - just the minimum to establish probable cause. If you really think a guy/program taking money to push a kid toward an agent isn't also knee deep in kids getting $$$ to come to that school, I have $24 worth of wampum to exchange for your house.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 17:23:38 GMT -5
Two chuckles out of all of this:
1. A tweet from a UConn fan - "Congratulations to Sean Miller for finally making a Final Four".
2. A syracusefan post :"Jim Boeheim has too much integrity to ever be involved in a bribe".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2017 17:37:20 GMT -5
I've cracked my fair share of jokes about this online but feel sorry for the kids that chose one of those schools for the right reasons....
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 17:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 26, 2017 17:41:05 GMT -5
Enough of this one-and-done nonsense. If a HS kid wants to put his name on the list to go pro, let him. Even track and field has had some top athletes go directly from HS to the pros.
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2017 17:43:09 GMT -5
I've cracked my fair share of jokes about this online but feel sorry for the kids that chose one of those schools for the right reasons.... NCAA should allow them to reopen their recruitment!
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 17:45:32 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 26, 2017 17:48:23 GMT -5
A lot of dark alley conversations and paper shredding going on tonight. I hope some of this really sticks for once. In a just world, it should be lights out for Pitino.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 17:57:50 GMT -5
Mr. Pitino has put together an impressive coaching record in light of the fact that he is apparently both blind and deaf…
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 18:00:58 GMT -5
So Little Ricky agrees he will resign? That's what I read.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 18:06:13 GMT -5
Richardson from Arizona was taking money from an agent with the assurance that he would push the kid(probably Jahvon Quinerly) their way when the time came.. It doesn't appear to be about recruiting in his case.. The court papers that have been released are absolutely just the proverbial tip of the iceberg - just the minimum to establish probable cause. If you really think a guy/program taking money to push a kid toward an agent isn't also knee deep in kids getting $$$ to come to that school, I have $24 worth of wampum to exchange for your house. That's why I used the words "appear to be" in my post..
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Post by professorhoya on Sept 26, 2017 18:06:57 GMT -5
Calipari will probably announce that he is ready for the NBA and a new challenge with the Lakers or Knicks in the next couple weeks.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 18:08:22 GMT -5
Shirts are hilarious especially in that rivalry. Lorenzen better be careful because as this investigation intensifies I almost expect it to grab hold of his beloved Kentucky Wildcats. I would love love to see a "The Wire" style show around this investigation...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 18:14:40 GMT -5
It starts with shoe circuit coaches delivering their prospects to college programs of the same shoe affiliation for a fee. As the FBI gets deeper into this they will start getting some of these shoe circuit organization for money laundering or other charges as a lot of times they are the go between with the cash for the prospects. The complaints are talking about top level folks at Adidas contacting colleges, not aau coaches though, I'm not seeing the connection in this case.. Richardson took the money to help influence the kids to sign with the agent(s) after they left school.. If the FBI digs deep and as the investigation continues to evolve and more people start to flip, heads of shoe circuit teams will be ensnared in this forcing them to flip on higher ups...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 18:15:58 GMT -5
The court papers that have been released are absolutely just the proverbial tip of the iceberg - just the minimum to establish probable cause. If you really think a guy/program taking money to push a kid toward an agent isn't also knee deep in kids getting $$$ to come to that school, I have $24 worth of wampum to exchange for your house. That's why I used the words "appear to be" in my post.. Fair enough. Can't wait to see who else is implicated.
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