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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 9, 2017 19:18:32 GMT -5
For general discussion to complement the individual recruit threads.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 11, 2017 14:13:58 GMT -5
When do we start our thread on fourth graders?
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Sept 10, 2018 8:32:10 GMT -5
Soon
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 18:48:48 GMT -5
KYRAN RATLIFF, 2022 POST, ELFRID PAYTON ELITE (LA)
Having grown from 6'4" to 6'6" over the past year, the New Orleans product anchors the paint for his team, using an enormous wingspan to block and alter any and all shots that come into the paint. He's still a work in progress on the offensive end, but his touch around the rim is promising. As it stands right now, he is one of the rising stars in the state of Louisiana.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 18:50:27 GMT -5
Christian Ferguson, G, Elfrid Payton Elite
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TC
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Post by TC on Sept 14, 2018 18:53:24 GMT -5
Is it this kid?
<edit> YaBoy found the same video I did before I could post it.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Sept 14, 2018 19:04:14 GMT -5
And this kid does look like a 4th grader. So there we are.
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Post by HometownHoya on Sept 17, 2018 9:21:18 GMT -5
Interesting picture choice on his commitment photo. Looks like he is still developing though. Would prefer if he had at least some sort of mid-range shot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 9:23:28 GMT -5
What are we doing here?
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 19, 2018 14:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 19, 2018 18:08:49 GMT -5
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Sept 20, 2018 5:10:08 GMT -5
You can already see he is a blue blood in the making.
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Sept 20, 2018 6:00:58 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 20, 2018 10:31:39 GMT -5
Can't hurt to be first in line, some kids remember who was there early.
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Post by bostonfan on Sept 20, 2018 10:59:01 GMT -5
Can't hurt to be first in line, some kids remember who was there early. I agree it can't hurt. I remember when the new staff was first hired and everyone said it was going to be hard to recruit because the other teams' coaches had years of building relationships with recruits and Coach Ewing and the new staff were coming into the recruiting process for these kids really late. Sounds like they are trying to start building those long term relationships with players and programs. These offers can't pay off for a few years but good to see them getting the Hoyas name out there early for these recruits.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Oct 19, 2018 9:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 10:08:01 GMT -5
Summer after their freshman year is the first official contact stage, before that it is through players coaches. Colleges start calling coaches about players when they are about 12 or 13. Kids like Zion Harmon, PG who is 15U from Bethesda area but moved to Kentucky to play varsity as an 8th grader (Kentucky allows this, where DMV states limit players to 4 years of playing varsity) last year and was on the USA 17U (may have been 16U) team as starting point guard. He is a 2022 player even though he played his first year of varsity last year. He will be leaving high school as the straight to NBA comes into effect. He may still be growing, which could help as he is under 6 foot.
This summer after freshman year is done is when the college coaches can get first official looks at players. Players playing up on grassroots teams or playing varsity in states where they can have more than 4 years of eligibility, is where this starts getting fuzzy. But, with top youth grassroots games being streamed coaches can have a good look from a distance and make early offers. A lot of the top schools put 4 to 6 offers out to kids who are haven't hit the official viewing and contact windows.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 10:40:40 GMT -5
As far as offers go, I continually come back to the Adam Finklestein piece - www.espn.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/insider/post/_/id/6661 - where he points out "offers" really don't mean much and may not be real. For players more than two years out it really means very little, if the offers are real. Nothing really gets serious until Junior year when official visits happen, then deeply serious when they sign their letter. Everything else can be considered as real as animation.
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Post by bostonfan on Oct 19, 2018 12:06:27 GMT -5
As far as offers go, I continually come back to the Adam Finklestein piece - www.espn.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/insider/post/_/id/6661 - where he points out "offers" really don't mean much and may not be real. For players more than two years out it really means very little, if the offers are real. Nothing really gets serious until Junior year when official visits happen, then deeply serious when they sign their letter. Everything else can be considered as real as animation. I agree that offers to kids this age don't really mean much, or anything, at this point. I think all they are really doing at this points trying to start building the relationship with the player/high school team/AAU program. Hard to believe that anyone can really project how good a player will be when they are still 3+ years away from graduating from high school.
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Post by saxagael on Oct 19, 2018 13:13:40 GMT -5
As far as offers go, I continually come back to the Adam Finklestein piece - www.espn.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/insider/post/_/id/6661 - where he points out "offers" really don't mean much and may not be real. For players more than two years out it really means very little, if the offers are real. Nothing really gets serious until Junior year when official visits happen, then deeply serious when they sign their letter. Everything else can be considered as real as animation. I agree that offers to kids this age don't really mean much, or anything, at this point. I think all they are really doing at this points trying to start building the relationship with the player/high school team/AAU program. Hard to believe that anyone can really project how good a player will be when they are still 3+ years away from graduating from high school. When you watch some of these players playing up with varsity and they are still in junior high and they are looking like one of the top players on the court with top 50 and top 100 juniors and seniors also out there, it isn't that tough. Also watching a lot of top level grassroots youth games and watching players progress over 6 years that are 11 through 15 and watching them move up, the good players how stand out. But, moving up depends on good coaching and good advice around them. There are many kids who wash out for various reasons as well, but for some of those players it isn't surprising. Some will also have injury issues. One player of the 2022 class to track down and watch his game (not highlights) is Zion Harmon, who has been in the Team USA program. A year ago he was starting point guard working with rising sophomores to seniors who were the top 15 in the nation. He was easily not only the best skilled player at point, but lead the team better than anybody. A couple years ago at AAU D1 Nationals for 7th grade the Minnesota Spartans put on a show of great basketball. They had four players 6'4" or taller who were athletic, great ball skills, great shooting skills, and high basketball IQ. They continually would head down court with the ball never touching the ground and either hit a transition 3 or an alley-oop. Coaches who played top D1 and professionally were all trying to find gaps in their player's games as individuals. They all played great as a team, but were amazing as individual players. They lost to CP3 in the finals. They likely included reclass kids, but are all 2022. Coming in as high school freshman there are many top level kids who not only have skills, but the basketball IQ, body control, and want to learn and grow more to improve their game. There is a lot of fluctuation for players who stand out early, but never advance or lose interest. Around the DMV many of top school coaches, grassroots, but also college coaches have been saying this 2022 class may be the deepest class they have ever seen, if they all keep advancing and don't get injured. Watching grassroots coaches start planting seeds for their 16U teams in a year from these kids over the past couple years has been entertaining. Many of the coaches have 6 to 8 of their team go play D1 each year.
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