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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 20, 2017 12:12:34 GMT -5
Regarding the 2017 Hoya Volleyball team, it's almost time to get things underway. The Hoyas are playing in the DC Volleyball Challenge this weekend to start the season. First up: Howard University on Friday evening at 5:00. The game is being played at American. Howard was 26-6 last season and won its conference before losing to Wisconsin in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Howard won 3-1 against Georgetown last year when the two teams met. Second up: Santa Clara on Saturday at Noon. The game is being played at Howard. Santa Clara was 16-14 last year after starting the season on a tear and spending some time in the top 20. They lost their two OH to graduation, but it looks like they're returning quite a bit. Third up: American on Saturday at 5:00, also being played at Howard. American finished 27-8 last year. Georgetown played American in the first match of the season last year, losing a 3-2 heart breaker at 13-15 after winning the first two sets. It'll be interesting to see how the Hoyas play and who they put on the floor. Based on last year's records, it's hard to predict any easy wins for the Hoyas this weekend. Hopefully they can come out of gate strong and set a great tone for the season. One would think that the lineup is fairly well set based on past seasons with Sinnette and King at OH; Speech and graduate transfer Eichie at MB; McKnight at S; and Higareda at L. But with a new season, it's hard to know for sure. RS and DS are a bit more of a mystery. I guess we'll know soon enough. Here's hoping it's a solid start to a successful season. www.guhoyas.com/sports/w-volley/sched/gu-w-volley-sched.html
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 20, 2017 19:18:10 GMT -5
Sometimes it makes sense to focus on path of least resistance-competitive advantage rather than beat one's head against the wall--and more importantly allocating scarce scholarship money where it has no meaningful impact Getting a full scholarship at gown should be reserved Ok, so there's a couple of different topics in there that we probably want to break out. 1. Volleyball competitive landscape specificallyCreighton finished the season ranked 9th - they're in our conference and don't have vastly more resources than we do. They have some definite advantages, but so do we. Stanford finished second - yeah they're Stanford, and there's only one of those, but they've learned to succeed with academic restrictions. Dayton finished de facto 28th. U of San Diego, a relatively small Catholic school, finished 22nd. I don't think success is totally outside the realm of possibility for us.) 2. Competitive landscape in rowing and other sportsNon-women's rowing is non-NCAA, which introduces a lot of wrinkles as far as scholarships and competition go (this is how you end up with Orange Coast College, Case Western, and Grand Valley State as Top 10 teams). Anyway, the lower the scholarship cap is in a sport, the bigger advantage the Ivies have because they have the resources (generalizing here, there's a spread within the Eight) to basically put every undergrad on scholarship via generous financial aid. Anyone who needs the money gets it, athletes or otherwise. This is what allows the Ivies to be nationally competitive in many sports. One could just as easily blame our rowing predicament on the terrible facilities situation, being packed into Thompson Boat Center with a dozen other teams. For what it's worth, in the women's rankings, we do have a couple of teams regionally ranked in the top 6 (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/rowing/d1). So at that point, you're talking about competitive variation among top-performing programs. It's possible that a scholarship infusion is what's standing between the rowers and total domination, but I'm not so sure. 3. Most broadly, what sports should we fund?I think some of what you wrote got cut off here... Agree with your last point-even looking at the Duke example they are not asked in the top 25(not RV) for this year's poll. Duke women's VB has not made NCAA's in the last couple of years(had some good NCAA success 5 years ago. Good team, better conf, excellent coach, fully funded, arguably equal(being kind to us school, etc. It would be very hard, and expensive to try to compete even at their level. Also we're competing for the most part vs schools that have no academic restrictions(few exceptions). Compare vs rowing: Yale Prin Brown all top 10. Top 20 includes Syr Duke. Harvard, Penn also in out top 20. Yes, its easier to field a top team in some sports than others but that's the point. No way Duke should be a quantum better than us in rowing but they are because of our scholarship (mis)allocation In other sports like golf/tennis the ivies pul in a few top 20-30 recruits and many top 50 nowadays--we could easily do the same. same probably goes for field hockey too. Sometimes it makes sense to focus on path of least resistance-competitive advantage rather than beat one's head against the wall--and more importantly allocating scarce scholarship money where it has no meaningful impact Getting a full scholarship at gown should be reserved The "full scholarship" thing is a little off because in most sports, the scholarship cap is below the number of players on the team, so most scholarships are partial. In any case, it goes back to the point you made about Arabic versus more popular languages, which is a great comparison. Yes, we have a competitive advantage in Arabic that we don't have in, say, Spanish or French. Does that mean that we drop Spanish and French and instead shift all those resources into Arabic? Of course not. Why? Because it is accepted that a school of Georgetown's stature will of course offer those languages - and not just those, which are standard at most every high school in America, but also others like Italian, German, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, etc. Georgetown takes a similar view of what it's athletics portfolio should look like - more so than a lot of other universities, and certainly when compared to some of our Big East rivals. Of course we will have a volleyball team - it's one of the most popular sports in the country, as others have noted. It would be incongruous *not* to offer it. Could you reallocate scholarships from it to women's rowing or golf or something? Sure, I guess? But that wouldn't really be in line with expectations for a school like Georgetown, and college athletics is largely about expectations. >>>>>>>>>> The last point I want to make about all of this is that while scholarships are an important measure and easily tied to a specific sport, much of what makes a program attractive to top talent isn't so cut and dry a variable. Student-athletes' choices are holistic and based on a lot of things, some of them not controllable by a school (e.g., the location and the weather). In terms of things that schools do have some control over, "facilities" has to be understood not just as the facilities specific to that given sport, but more broadly. The same goes for other resources, like academic support, career services, etc. One of the reasons why Ohio State can go from zero to 60 in a sport like lacrosse is because they already have a crazy athletics infrastructure in place - a new program can plug right into that. This is a major reason why the 'directional' schools and the HBCUs face such a competitive disadvantage. Even if they invest in certain sports, the larger disparity takes a toll. Georgetown has spent the last 15 years or so (at least) making some really major improvements to its physical plant and the student experience. Other schools have certainly not been sitting still. It's an arms race, no question about it. But insofar as facilities have long been one of Georgetown's weaknesses - pretty buildings on the outside (mostly), dysfunction on the inside - the rising tide has been lifting every sport's boat. A lot of athletes are in the MSB; you can't tell me the Hariri building isn't serving as a draw, relative to what existed before. Tl;dr I look forward to seeing what every sport is able to achieve in a post-TAC (and post-Cooper Field, I guess...) era.
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Post by reformation on Aug 20, 2017 21:06:10 GMT -5
You make some valid points though I would say the following--Creighton is an exception to the rule re success at women's VB, can't see how we could reasonably expect to be better than Duke at the sport(even lucky to be nearly as good).. Creighton has been good for a long time at it, a little like gtown in track-they compete for students I presume with neighboring big midwestern state schools which have always been good. Doubt Creighton would say lets try to emulate gown in Track, BE school elite program we can do the same--never happening unless they import a big time coach and a bunch of full scholarship foreign collegians. Would not base our investment decision where we want to apply scholarships on an outlier.
Re rowing, I put success factors as coaching/scholarships at the top-facilities third. Brown women have great tradition + coaching, less financial aid than the other ivies, yet consistently vie for the natl championship. I think that most recruits use sports like these to get into the best school they can as primary influence, so we should be decently competitive with top coaching/scholarships. Again given that we compete for the same students as many of the schools that are good, unlike in VB, I see no reason we would not be elite with a bigger resource allocation.
Not sure why most alums would object to a periodic rational reallocation of ath dept resources. Sure a few alums of sports that are downgraded might object but I suspect most of the affected sports have somewhat limited alum support anyway. Also more importantly if you take a look at sports programs at other highly selective schools that are successful they gradually build efforts in targeted sports where they believe that they have the potential to be elite at. Northwestern is a good example of this--even the ivies have some rational focus based incremental resource allocation. I would think that most alums would welcome gtown being top tier in more sports rather than perpetually mediocre or bad-would be a sign of good mgmt which most would welcome. Also one doesn't have to completely exit activities if that somehow is off limits(shouldn't be), in order to do a rational reevaluation. Same goes for academics as you correctly point out. Nobody said lets not have a French dept, though I'm sure the depts with most potential get the bulk of marginal resources--obviously a matter of judgment which those are.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 20, 2017 23:30:37 GMT -5
For those on this thread that are clueless as to what volleyball is beginning to become as a sport for the big ten schools...read the link below Yes, even our "peer" Northwestern, is investing heavily in the sport regardless of what naysayers will have you to believe in this thread. Every major conference is seeing additional investment in womens volleyball. Gtown can be competitive nationally if fully funded. Girls know there is no professional league for them after college, thus the education is the end game for them. They will always look first to schoold with prestigous educations, of which Gtown has few rivals. As for one posters insistance on foreign players, not sure where that is coming from but foreign players are not prevalent and the best programs dont have many, if any, foreign recruits. That assertion shows the lack of knowledge of the poster. As for the head coach, she was a highly regarded, highly sought after assistant coach at Florida before coming to Gtown. She was wanted by many schools and was considered a top hire and great get by Gtown at the time. She has 9 scholarships when the rest of the country has 12. Those 3 scholarships make a massive difference. Especially when there are injuries. The admission requirements also limit her as recruiting is getting younger and younger where it has become the norm to commit kids in 8th, 9th or 10th grade. Gtown cant commit those kids because admissions wants to see an ACT score and transcripts. Other schools can commit kids without it. Stanford is the only school that I'm aware of that has similiar restrictions on recruiting. Duke, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Rice, our peers academically, dont have such restrictions despite having similiar admission requirements of the general student body. “Imagine how far behind the race teams are when they start two scholarships down before the match ever starts,” Iowa coach Bond Shymansky said. Indiana and Ohio State will each play in new arenas in 2018, and Iowa in 2019. Michigan has also discussed a new one. “I think there is a difference between offering a sport, and supporting a sport,” Rose said. “I think the Big Ten has taken a leadership in both areas.” journalstar.com/sports/huskers/volleyball/big-ten-schools-have-put-resources-into-trying-to-be/article_cb51ea76-2130-53e6-a95f-08673d7dcabe.html
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 21, 2017 10:06:43 GMT -5
As for not being able to win in volleyball, I would suggest you compare Georgetown to Notre Dame. ND is fully funded, their program has been horrible for a decade. They recently hired arguably the best college coach in the nation in Jim McLaughlin away from Washington where he built a powerhouse from nothing. ND is a "peer" in Olympic sports but have the distinct advantage of having a powerhouse football program to help fund the athletic department.
ND has invested heavily in volleyball with the hiring of McLaughlin. They have invested in their faciities, flooring, recruiting etc. And the benefits is a program that has turned around significantly in the win-loss column.
Georgetown has the same quality education as ND, a better campus location, more internship opportunities near campus and I'm sure there's much more that I'm unaware of. Volleyball can be turned around quickly as 6 players are on the floor at any one time. If you get 2 or 3 key OH or MB you have the chance to improve rapidly. Gtown does have other hurdles besides the 9 scholarship limit, mainly being the admissions decision and timing of that.
Oh, and ND doesn't have a single foreign player on their roster. For those of you on this board that feel that component is necessary.
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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 21, 2017 11:55:03 GMT -5
Regarding foreign players, I think it's primarily a function of a coach's personal preference and doesn't seem particularly correlated to success. Looking over last season's top 25, most of the top teams did not rely much, if at all, on foreign players. I count 25 total on the rosters of top 25 teams (and ten of those were on San Diego and Florida State), and only five total in the top 10. Some programs/coaches are known to recruit "a lot" of foreign players (e.g., SJU, Coastal Carolina), but others don't. I just don't see it as a factor for a volleyball program to be successful or to take a step up.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 24, 2017 12:40:37 GMT -5
Volleyball can be extremely successful as former coach Nagel experienced in 1998. But you cant keep the program fighting with one hand behind their backs by not being fully funded.
Nagel served as head volleyball coach at Georgetown University, where she guided the Hoyas to their most successful season in program history in 1998. Georgetown, the top-ranked team in District I that season, captured its first share of a Big East Championship with a 24-6 overall record and a 10-1 conference mark to earn its first NCAA Tournament bid. Georgetown swept both Big East Rookie of the Year and Big East Player of the Year accolades while three of Nagel’s players earned all-conference accolades
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Post by reformation on Aug 25, 2017 4:55:45 GMT -5
Yes if volleyball hired the top coach in the country, added a few scholarships, and dropped academic standards we'd probably be decently competitive. Short of all of those steps don't see us being a factor at all.(Northwestern was 12-22 last year btw) If we made similar investments in other sports we'd like also be nationally competitive with a much higher confidence than for VB. M/W lax could probably return to elite status if they upgraded the coaches. Same for rowing tennis golf and so on if they added scholarships.
Hard to say we're really competitive anymore with ND in anything other than track/soccer. I think we could be if we made a comparable investment across the board and were willing to hire and fire elite coaches based on performance as ND is willing to do. Our recent coaching hires have been going the low cost route generally hiring from within or low profile outsiders. ND's attitude toward sports is an area for focused excellence for the Univ as a whole, for Gtwn the that approach ony applies to s few sports.
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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 26, 2017 7:15:28 GMT -5
The first match of year - and the first win - is in the books. After a bit of a slow start, the Hoyas gathered themselves and topped Howard 3-1 (18-25; 25-13; 25-20; 25-19). A good start to the season for the Hoyas. The next two matches - Santa Clara and American - will be tough challenges. www.guhoyas.com/sports/w-volley/stats/2017-2018/auvbgtho.html
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 27, 2017 16:10:51 GMT -5
So, I coincidentally found myself near Howard on Saturday afternoon and decided to head over and check out the game. I walked in halfway through the second set against Santa Clara, which the Hoyas took handily. They took the next one, too, and looked to be in the drivers seat, until Santa Clara came out for the fourth set on fire, seemingly eliminating every unforced error they had made up til then, while the Hoyas started missing the digs they had once made and the kill shots stopped dropping. The Hoyas got obliterated in that fourth set, then fell behind early in the 5th, stayed close, but never could quite come back.
My overall takeaway, having watched this match and then reading about their triumph over a pretty high-quality program in American: this team is not that far away from joining those competitive ranks. They looked a bit less imposing physically, perhaps, but the decision-making was solid, the team communication looked good, and the commitment was there (that putrid fourth set excepted). One should always takes coach-speak with a grain of salt, but I believe this bit:
Can't make any sweeping judgments on account of a single weekend, certainly, but I continue to believe that the Thompson Center will prove to be an inflection point across many Hoyas programs.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 27, 2017 20:09:31 GMT -5
I think the volleyball team is on the verge of turning the program around. If you look at the roster there is a heavy number of Juniors and sophomores. The experience they gained the last two years should pay off this year and next. The performance this weekend showed a glimpse of what's to come. The team beat two NCAA tournament teams from last year in Howard and American. Both of those teams are predicted to win their conferences again this year. Santa Clara is expected to finish 5th in the very strong West Coast conference which is perennially a top 5 conference in the country. Georgetown went five sets with them and could've ended the weekend 3-0 over some very good competition. I expect them to be 5-1 after the Pentagon tournament next weekend.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Aug 28, 2017 22:25:25 GMT -5
Interesting thread reminiscent of ones from years ago.
First, there is a contractual requirement for participation in a certain number of sports for BE membership - don't remember the specifics but IIRC it defacto requires us to participate in VB. Rowing doesn't count. Several other sports at GU don't either. We are at the contractual minimum for scholarships in VB and again IIRC Villanova is the only other 9 ship team. At least they used to be - I haven't looked or had reason to look for a while.
What was missed in explaining the difference between 9 and 12 ships is that with 9 ships you have to be perfect. 6 on the court plus a libaro and a DS pretty much takes up the ships. So you can have no recruiting misses, no injuries, no unexpected transfers. Everything has to be perfect or you are screwed. Ideally you have 2 setters, 4 hitters, 3 MB and 3 libaro/DS types with a spare ship to one of the groups. Competition and a bit of leeway for errors and the unexpected.
I have seen kids who came to GU and didn't work as their position was assured. A couple that were just mistakes. And a year where the setter got injured too late to recruit anyone and they had to go to a D3 school and beg a setter to walk on or else they would have played the season with the libaro as the setter. To put it mildly that stuff matters.
Over the last 5-8 years (before the big recruiting class) the team usually had 3-4 legit BE level players but always had a hole somewhere that just made it not work. Quite honestly they have had consistent trouble getting or developing legit OH talent and some years setters or DS types.
It isn't hard to make a case against Arlissa. Don't have to go much beyond the record. But I will say the issues were a lot deeper and systemic than just the number of ships. Until the new building, the training facilities were closer to a D3 non scholarship program than any D1 program. They sucked. Not just the academic standards to get in but after you get in there is no tutoring program for athletes (outside of men's BB). Combine that with some really wacky views by GU academics about not taking any outside or transfer hours and the academic side is really light years different than the Dukes of the world referenced as a peer - even different than the IVYs. BTW - the IVYs don't offer ships but athletes do have a different much more lenient admissions process and no one pays more than 10% of your family income to go there. It ain't a bad deal.
Also, until the new building the VB team was not allowed to play a home match prior to the conference season as Big John reserved all weekends at McDonough for basketball. That was noticed by recruits.
Now having said all the bad stuff, if you looked at the results from this past weekend, the VB team got off to a pretty good start. Beat Howard and American (usually a pretty decent team though one that admittedly is not one of the 3 or 4 programs that routinely contends for national championships) and lost to a good west coast team in 5. The MB Speech is the real deal - she averaged over 20 kills per match and hit .500. That is good if she were playing against middle school teams. I didn't get to see them and my days with intimate involvement in the team are over, but it is nice to see 16/17 kids on the roster with a good spread of classes in the groups. That is the kind of depth I haven't seen in the past and wasn't present a couple of years where they had to use coaches at hitting positions to run 6 on 6 drills. I take that as progress. My bet/expectation is if they can develop a halfway decent BE level OH attack, they could be in the upper half of the league with a stud like Speech. I have seen that type of player cover a multitude of sins. But again, not having seen them I am assuming the defense and passing part.
The thread spoke to the number of girls participating in VB leagues. It is a huge number. I said it many times and will say it again, for those of you in DC who have girls, especially little girls, there is nothing more fun than taking them to a girls VB game at GU or wherever. Every team I have ever seen in college will go out of their way to say something to your daughter and try to make them feel special. Not a bad deal for $0 admission.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 29, 2017 7:34:43 GMT -5
Interesting thread reminiscent of ones from years ago. First, there is a contractual requirement for participation in a certain number of sports for BE membership - don't remember the specifics but IIRC it defacto requires us to participate in VB. Rowing doesn't count. Several other sports at GU don't either. We are at the contractual minimum for scholarships in VB and again IIRC Villanova is the only other 9 ship team. At least they used to be - I haven't looked or had reason to look for a while. What was missed in explaining the difference between 9 and 12 ships is that with 9 ships you have to be perfect. 6 on the court plus a libaro and a DS pretty much takes up the ships. So you can have no recruiting misses, no injuries, no unexpected transfers. Everything has to be perfect or you are screwed. Ideally you have 2 setters, 4 hitters, 3 MB and 3 libaro/DS types with a spare ship to one of the groups. Competition and a bit of leeway for errors and the unexpected. Some good discussion here. Yes, there are Big East minimums, and in past years Georgetown was out of compliance across a number of sports. As for volleyball, consider this: Jolene Nagel took the Hoyas to a 24-6 mark and the NCAA's with all of 2.5 scholarships. Yet she left for Duke because she couldn't get the support, which Duke has been happy to step up for. Her record since: 392-195 (.667), with 12 NCAA appearances. Georgetown's record since Nagel? 226-303 (.427), including Arlissa Williams' current record of 116-210 (.355). In 12 years, Williams has no post season appearances and is 19-46 (.292) since 2015.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Aug 29, 2017 8:43:37 GMT -5
Nagel is in a different category to say the least. I would not compare the 2.
Nagel simply wouldn't put up with the situation at GU. I fully understand that - and described only a small part of the issues. Arlissa, for whatever you think of her, has tried to soldier through. The good soldier so to speak. Don't take that as totally excusing her record though. I will say this though - she has restarted the program with the big class and the new building addresses several of the major issues the VB program has had. I don't expect her to be at the top of the BE any time soon or have a miracle season like the one you described with Nagel. But I now think it is reasonable to look for middle of the pack performance in the BE over the next couple of years. If we get the same performance with the new building then the answer is pretty obvious.
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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 29, 2017 10:51:10 GMT -5
Reading the box scores and recaps from the weekend was encouraging. Hopefully the team is ready to move into the middle tier of the Big East this year. The junior class is very talented and there are strong players "behind" them to provide depth, fill-in holes and push them in practice. The ability to have competitive scrimmages in the practice gym is really important, and I think the Hoyas have that right now. These things should translate to better results on the floor.
It's hard for a program to turn around overnight. Hopefully, this past weekend is the first outward evidence of a turn around that started on the recruiting trail a couple of years ago and in the practice gym a few weeks ago. While competing for national (or even conference) championships is nice, a good first step is to be competitive and finish somewhere in the middle of the conference. After the last few seasons, I would think that qualifying for the conference tournament (i.e., the top four) would have to be considered an incredibly successful year. The Hoyas were picked to finish 9th by the Big East coaches. I would think that finishing in the top six would be a great turn around season.
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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 29, 2017 11:26:20 GMT -5
The MB Speech is the real deal - she averaged over 20 kills per match and hit .500. I have to admit that I was surprised that Speech's numbers from this past weekend (60 kills and .536) weren't good enough to even warrant an "Honor Roll" mention from the Big East. Those are pretty gaudy numbers. Looking at those that were mentioned, it seems that a tournament MVP was a prerequisite. I'm not sure if the DC Challenge even had an MVP. If it did, I'd think Speech certainly would have been on the short list of nominees.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 29, 2017 13:21:50 GMT -5
It isn't hard to make a case against Arlissa. Don't have to go much beyond the record. But I will say the issues were a lot deeper and systemic than just the number of ships. Until the new building, the training facilities were closer to a D3 non scholarship program than any D1 program. They sucked. Not just the academic standards to get in but after you get in there is no tutoring program for athletes (outside of men's BB). Combine that with some really wacky views by GU academics about not taking any outside or transfer hours and the academic side is really light years different than the Dukes of the world referenced as a peer - even different than the IVYs. BTW - the IVYs don't offer ships but athletes do have a different much more lenient admissions process and no one pays more than 10% of your family income to go there. It ain't a bad deal. Also, until the new building the VB team was not allowed to play a home match prior to the conference season as Big John reserved all weekends at McDonough for basketball. That was noticed by recruits. I'm definitely onboard with the quality of the facilities point, but I will point out that the Ivies do not have a more lenient admissions process for athletes than Georgetown. Recruited volleyball athletes at Georgetown absolutely do get special consideration. The point about the Ivies ability to be much more broadly generous with financial aid is very well taken, although there's definitely a range among the eight. The McDonough thing is important too in the sense that even the facilities we did have, the volleyball program was low (wo)man on the totem poll. They got to host a single home non-conference game - GW in 2015 and 2013, Liberty in 2014 and 2012. It definitely sends a signal about institutional support. Interesting thread reminiscent of ones from years ago. First, there is a contractual requirement for participation in a certain number of sports for BE membership - don't remember the specifics but IIRC it defacto requires us to participate in VB. Rowing doesn't count. Several other sports at GU don't either. We are at the contractual minimum for scholarships in VB and again IIRC Villanova is the only other 9 ship team. At least they used to be - I haven't looked or had reason to look for a while. Some good discussion here. Yes, there are Big East minimums, and in past years Georgetown was out of compliance across a number of sports. Eh... we have more Big East sports than any other current school, so I wouldn't say that we're de fato forced to participate in volleyball, unless there's some other rule I don't know about. The Big East scholarship minimums, on the other hand... I don't have any inside info there to know where/when we'd have been out of compliance.
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Post by hilltophoya on Aug 29, 2017 13:32:36 GMT -5
I'm definitely onboard with the quality of the facilities point, but I will point out that the Ivies do not have a more lenient admissions process for athletes than Georgetown. Recruited volleyball athletes at Georgetown absolutely do get special consideration. The point about the Ivies ability to be much more broadly generous with financial aid is very well taken, although there's definitely a range among the eight. I will not argue with your statement that recruited volleyball athletes get special consideration. I'm sure that this is true, but don't know the extent of the "special consideration." However, the Ivies do have a more lenient admissions process than Georgetown for athletes. These two points are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 14:10:18 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 14:17:53 GMT -5
A quick twitter search of "Georgetown Volleyball" yielded a couple of volleyball recruit announcements the last couple of months. Hopefully Georgetown can build on their hot start to the season and it translates into recruits wanting to come to the hilltop. twitter.com/search?q=georgetown%20volleyball&src=typd
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