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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 11, 2017 10:45:28 GMT -5
And might I add aleutianhoya gets it. A well reasoned assessment. Thank you.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 11, 2017 11:50:22 GMT -5
In any event, this has still been a season to remember for the staff and the players - and although we lose some great players, there are plenty of reasons to expect another great year next year!
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 11, 2017 11:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 11, 2017 12:05:16 GMT -5
Read that on the guhoya site, but was link challenged. And that was right after the game. Coach Nolan gets it. It was a great year that, in fact, fell short of last year, and all of our expectations. We have a great senior class that leaves us, and the backfill begins in the spring. Go Hoyas.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 11, 2017 12:07:55 GMT -5
“Link challenged” is why I am here. Losses via PKs or penalty shots are among the least satisfying ways to end games imaginable.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2017 12:59:33 GMT -5
The PK’s were not good. Hitting the post is a miss, period. The other two misses were barely off mid goal and easy saves. Only Corboz made her work for the save. The ladies played well enough to win. In fact they hit the post in OT on a ball the keeper had no chance on. That said, a high powered offense shot blanks last night and it caught them. Not fair, not fun but that is the game. Elvado, you have said that twice now. "The other two misses were barely off mid goal and easy saves". I might have thought that too, but they clearly showed replays of both #10s and #15s shots and they were driven to the lower left ninety. So on that I disagree with you. But it is what it is. A good PK kicker knows in her mind where she is going in advance. The mind set needs to be firm. So now think about this. These ladies earn this in practice against the best goalie in the Big East, one of the best in America. If their tendencies win off her, and it their placements beat her who is to say it will not beat a lesser goalie. Then, it comes down to scouting, by film, by knowing your tendencies and your opponents tendencies. So, if our five shooters (apparently our best, I do not know) had tendencies that were "giveaway" then it is a coaching decision as to who shoots. Yes, it is a painful way to lose, and actually not all that gratifying to win in PKs, but thems the rules. This game should have been won in regular time, and especially in OT, but it was not. I just don't care for "easy saves" comments to players who have given their all. The girls will grow and move on. It is painful right now, but that pain need not be exacerbated by nasty fans who got "jobbed" by their performances. And yes too for Frazier, I have coached soccer for a number of years, but not at this level, so it gives me some understanding coupled with compassion. We will just have to disagree on those kicks. Corboz (#10 by the way) was a great save; the other ordinary. I don’t feel jobbed and my heart aches for those girls. I coach soccer and know that PK’s are an awful and unfair way to decide games. Ask the girls in a month if they hit good kicks. They will tell you No.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 11, 2017 13:18:52 GMT -5
Corboz went first and I felt the others tightened up after the good save by the Wake goalie. Stakes were high. Wake's first shot went it. Their goalkeeper was going to stop everything low to her right.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 11, 2017 13:45:39 GMT -5
For the seniors - as for most Hoya athletes - as great as their athletic accomplishments have been, their greatest achievements are yet to come.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 11, 2017 15:43:15 GMT -5
Yesterday was just an unfortunate day for Hoya sports with the women losing the soccer game on PKs and the cross country teams both men and women failing to advance to the NCAAs. At least the women's soccer team were in the NCAAs. Too bad the committee did not give them a home game. But great season for them anyway.
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Post by reformation on Nov 11, 2017 17:38:05 GMT -5
If we really lose the chance to host home games because of lack of lights that must be addressed. No excuse now. I think its an easy cost benefit tradeoff. We should fully support the programs that are really good.
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Nov 11, 2017 18:46:17 GMT -5
If we really lose the chance to host home games because of lack of lights that must be addressed. No excuse now. I think its an easy cost benefit tradeoff. We should fully support the programs that are really good. Totally agree. Our program has outgrown our facilities. We and the school either need to step up or slip back.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 11, 2017 19:16:58 GMT -5
If we really lose the chance to host home games because of lack of lights that must be addressed. No excuse now. I think its an easy cost benefit tradeoff. We should fully support the programs that are really good. Totally agree. Our program has outgrown our facilities. We and the school either need to step up or slip back. Someone call the Shaws.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 19, 2017 18:21:02 GMT -5
Ok, I've had a little bit of time to process and reflect. First, the football: While painful, frustrating, and disappointing, I'm afraid this outcome was not especially surprising. I hate to have been close to the mark on this, but... I'm getting unpleasant visions of this team being sent up to Piscataway or down to the Carolinas in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament and finding themselves on the wrong end of a 1-0 or 0-0 PKs defeat. On the road, against an unfamiliar opponent, the Hoyas' lack of a dynamic one-on-one playmaker was always going to be a potential liability. Paula G-W shares a lot in common with Crystal Thomas in terms of style of play and playmaking ability... but she ain't there yet (nor could one expect her to be at this point in her career). There were still some other sources of offense, especially off of Rachel Corboz set pieces, but much as the men looked much less dangerous with Achara out of the lineup, so too was this edition of the women's team missing that extra offensive element that sowed disorder in opponent defenses. The mid-season injury to Amanda Carolan surely did not help - she was never quite the same after her return. As far as PKs go... they really are a total crapshoot, and Dave Nolan's teams have wound up on the favorable end just as often, if not more often, than the dejected side. I recall, in particular, 2010, when the Hoyas knocked off Maryland and, per the words of the Terps coach, caused mass emotional trauma: Then there was the 2014 PK victory at #3-seeded West Virginia after a scoreless draw. And lastly, last season's successful rematch with DePaul, where the Hoyas advanced only after a single DePaul shot off the crossbar proved to be the only difference. That's the nature of PKs: it's basically a total toss-up. Any critiques of the Hoyas' play - and there are plenty - are best directed at the performance in regular time and extra added time. Analyzing PKs is a fool's errand.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Nov 22, 2017 21:00:29 GMT -5
Totally agree. Our program has outgrown our facilities. We and the school either need to step up or slip back. Someone call the Shaws. There's a couple of issues all bundled together here. One is the fact that we're talking about a pretty specific scenario, one in which the Hoyas are not seeded but good enough to think they should've been and therefore aggrieved to not be hosting a game (if you're seeded, it doesn't matter how shoddy your pitch is). Next is the complex and expensive game of campus construction musical chairs, which has the current Shaw Field destined for replacement. Lastly there is the relatively new status of both men's and women's programs as national competitors, meaning that they expect facilities that will allow them to at least keep pace with their competitors. The Shaw gift is instructive because it offers a sense of just how extended the timelines involved are. While the idea that the current Shaw/North Kehoe footprint is destined for repurposing has been around since at least the 2010 Campus Plan (not finalized until years later), when Alan Brangman & Co. documented that the Yates/Kehoe roof was a fundamentally flawed and unsustainable design, the Shaw gift was signed, sealed, and delivered in the 2010s, because the timeline for the Yates/North Kehoe castle maneuver was still in the completely theoretical realm. It's gotten much realer since that time - real enough that spending many millions on light fixtures that will have to be uprooted within 15 years or so (and whose benefit is marginal at best, given that scenario described above probably won't be common) does not seem palatable. Having said that, the field of stadium lighting has not stood still, and it's entirely possible that there are mobile LED solutions or other viable options that could solve this problem. Seems like a good idea to have a student employee do some industry research on the subject. At the end of the day, though, the question comes down to cost vs. benefit over time, as evaluated through the lens of Georgetown's institutional values. Ultimately, I think it's unlikely that Shaw Field lights will suddenly be prioritized, given the many other demands on capital funds. Some of these stakeholders for these demands and candidates for these funds are working with much larger constituencies. But now is precisely the right time to start raising this issue and working to get it a spot on the administration radar, since that is how things seem to now get done. Personally, I would say fan energies would be better spent lobbying to get the Yates replacement fast-tracked - students will certainly be on board with that - and to have New Shaw Field be truly state-of-the-art. As much as I love the intimacy and proximity to the pitch of the current configuration, I would also hate to see them pass up the opportunity to include a regulation track & field complex in New Shaw. Getting the powers at be to see it that way will require more than enough effort on the part of Hoyas fans.
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