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Post by guru on Jul 21, 2017 9:21:43 GMT -5
It's the optics DC, that's the problem with bringing RT in.. The rumors about him being on the staff have been around for months, why didn't they announce him along with the other assistants?Instead the news drops during one of the most important recruiting weeks on the calendar, which immediately puts a negative tone around a program desperate for some momentum.. Waiting until they got all of the season ticket renewals? They will certainly lose many of those renewals due to this announcement. At least one for sure. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 21, 2017 9:22:44 GMT -5
I see a bit of hyperbole and other comments that are succinct in expressing the problem. Ronnie's tangible "effect" on the program is not the point. So this news will not move the proverbial or literal ball in any direction, but we are all up in arms about it? Okay- I see... "Up in arms" is a mischaracterization of at least some of the negative comments. I'm guessing you know what others perceive to be the real issue, but I suppose that it's necessary to spell it out. A good number of devotees of the program want less Thompson, not more Thompson. And, viewed in this way, there are reasons for the "less" view that are bones of contention. As I said yesterday, Ronnie appears to be the player-to-be-named-later in the III for PE trade, and I don't think it's hyperbolic to question for whom this was done. As far as whether the ball is literally moved in any direction, that would require a cost/benefit assessment of Ronnie's salary and the alternative uses to which that money could have been put (higher profile recruiter?) had it been reallocated. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 21, 2017 9:32:08 GMT -5
One more thought, why would Ron want this gig? I doesn't really put him back on the coaching radar, it screams of Daddy helping me get a job, and he already has the analyst thing going which is independent of Gtown?
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jul 21, 2017 9:39:20 GMT -5
Those reacting with such vocal negativity to this hire are implying that Coach Pat Ewing is basically a doormat and that will be walked all over by not-so-hidden powers behind the scene.
I'd like to know if anyone has ever seen evidence that Pat Ewing is a doormat? The Pat Ewing I watched at Georgetown and with the Knicks was quite the opposite. He was a fierce and fearsome competitor who didn't care what stood in his way as long as he got the win. Did his assistant coaching career somehow bleed this trait out of him? Why do the Thompson haters think that Ewing will be any different as a head coach than the ruthless competitor he has long shown himself to be?
Just give the man a chance to prove what he can lead this program to.
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 21, 2017 9:49:54 GMT -5
Those reacting with such vocal negativity to this hire are implying that Coach Pat Ewing is basically a doormat and that will be walked all over by not-so-hidden powers behind the scene. I'd like to know if anyone has ever seen evidence that Pat Ewing is a doormat? The Pat Ewing I watched at Georgetown and with the Knicks was quite the opposite. He was a fierce and fearsome competitor who didn't care what stood in his way as long as he got the win. Did his assistant coaching career somehow bleed this trait out of him? Why do the Thompson haters think that Ewing will be any different as a head coach than the ruthless competitor he has long shown himself to be? Just give the man a chance to prove what he can lead this program to. I'm always leery of the word "implying." It would be good to go back and read some of the critical comments and see how many actually mentioned PE and "implied" that he was a "doormat." I don't recall seeing anyone suggest that this was an end around PE or was done without his permission. Again, that's not the point. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 21, 2017 9:53:15 GMT -5
What a dastardly thing to imagine that the man who built this program still has the influence to help his over-qualified son obtain an administrative position on the staff- despite no overt evidence that says that is what happened, as opposed to perhaps Pat and Ronny being on good terms and Pat making the call- we should see if Netflix wants to purchase the rights to this jaw-dropping drama.
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Post by trillesthoya on Jul 21, 2017 10:11:38 GMT -5
What a dastardly thing to imagine that the man who built this program still has the influence to help his over-qualified son obtain an administrative position on the staff- despite no overt evidence that says that is what happened, as opposed to perhaps Pat and Ronny being on good terms and Pat making the call- we should see if Netflix wants to purchase the rights to this jaw-dropping drama. Yeah, I really don't see the animosity with this. It's not as if Ron is a bad choice for that job. If your issue with it is the symbolism behind having a Thompson on the staff, I really don't care if it means keeping JT in the fold and happy. We owe the man that much, and he having his son in an administrative role really doesn't impact Pat's ability to do what he needs to do. Also, no one even knows how Pat feels about all this. Maybe it's his idea. For God's sake this is a basketball team, there's no reason to treat this with the same level of outrage and shock as if the president had appointed his son-in-law his senior advisor. |
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jul 21, 2017 10:15:21 GMT -5
Those reacting with such vocal negativity to this hire are implying that Coach Pat Ewing is basically a doormat and that will be walked all over by not-so-hidden powers behind the scene. I'd like to know if anyone has ever seen evidence that Pat Ewing is a doormat? The Pat Ewing I watched at Georgetown and with the Knicks was quite the opposite. He was a fierce and fearsome competitor who didn't care what stood in his way as long as he got the win. Did his assistant coaching career somehow bleed this trait out of him? Why do the Thompson haters think that Ewing will be any different as a head coach than the ruthless competitor he has long shown himself to be? Just give the man a chance to prove what he can lead this program to. I'm always leery of the word "implying." It would be good to go back and read some of the critical comments and see how many actually mentioned PE and "implied" that he was a "doormat." I don't recall seeing anyone suggest that this was an end around PE or was done without his permission. Again, that's not the point. The implication is there because if Ewing proves to be a strong leader that is not a doormat and leads his program to success then it doesn't matter even the tiniest bit that there is a Thompson on the payroll. The only way this matters is if the Thompsons are somehow responsible for future negative results because they walked all over the head coach, pulled strings from the shadows and/or stood in the way of progress. I'm betting that's not going to happen to the Pat Ewing that I'm familiar with and I don't know why anyone who is similarly familiar with him believes otherwise. |
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 21, 2017 10:23:21 GMT -5
What a dastardly thing to imagine that the man who built this program still has the influence to help his over-qualified son obtain an administrative position on the staff- despite no overt evidence that says that is what happened, as opposed to perhaps Pat and Ronny being on good terms and Pat making the call- we should see if Netflix wants to purchase the rights to this jaw-dropping drama. When one is talking Georgetown and sets the bar at "overt evidence," one has succeeded eminently in stacking the deck in one's favor. And, once again, Pat making the call himself and also doing something to serve our basketball "tradition" are not mutually exclusive. |
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 21, 2017 10:29:56 GMT -5
Just feels like a way to get Ronnie in the door to assume a bigger role down the line. Too much old and not enough new. Program doesn't feel fresh.
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jul 21, 2017 11:12:07 GMT -5
I am not a big fan of Ronny, but the hyperbole on this news is out of control. It will not have an appreciable effect on the program one way or the other. This coming from the guy who said he was "sick to his (my) stomach ... literally" upon hearing of JTIII's firing. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 21, 2017 11:19:23 GMT -5
I was.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jul 21, 2017 11:27:23 GMT -5
We are all, from my perspective, suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome in the aftermath of the JT3 era. I'm taking a step back away from the precipice and a deep breath, and I'll give this arrangement a chance without any further preconceptions. Let's see where we are in a year, after Patrick Ewing's first season.
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Post by guru on Jul 21, 2017 12:07:39 GMT -5
Just feels like a way to get Ronnie in the door to assume a bigger role down the line. Too much old and not enough new. Program doesn't feel fresh. At one point during the 2006-07 season, according to guard Peyton Stovall, Thompson instructed his players not to trust white people. "He had said that," said Stovall, a fifth-year senior who is black. "It kind of bothered me a little bit. It was hard for me to believe. I grew up around white people." www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&sportCat=ncb&id=3088349 |
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Post by miracles87 on Jul 21, 2017 13:09:00 GMT -5
Welcome back Ronny! All the haters can grab a super shammy and line up to polish your dome!
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Post by x-centercourt400s on Jul 21, 2017 13:57:21 GMT -5
At one point during the 2006-07 season, according to guard Peyton Stovall, Thompson instructed his players not to trust white people. "He had said that," said Stovall, a fifth-year senior who is black. "It kind of bothered me a little bit. It was hard for me to believe. I grew up around white people." www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&sportCat=ncb&id=3088349In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll |
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 21, 2017 14:53:01 GMT -5
Those reacting with such vocal negativity to this hire are implying that Coach Pat Ewing is basically a doormat and that will be walked all over by not-so-hidden powers behind the scene. Everyone can form their own opinion based on the available evidence as to how much Patrick Ewing is controlling the hiring decisions in the Basketball Program. The underlying question to me: is Patrick Ewing set up to succeed based on the staff we know of in place so far? I'm having trouble saying yes at this point. |
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 21, 2017 14:59:10 GMT -5
What a dastardly thing to imagine that the man who built this program still has the influence to help his over-qualified son obtain an administrative position on the staff Well, we know he's called team managers over during the game to pass instructions to his son's coaching staff. He sits in on practices, and we have numerous reports that players and coaches hate it. He's interrupted his son's press conferences with the occasional rant. Shoot, he's narc'd on people to DOPS from across McDonough for taking pictures at Kenner League game for years. Patrick Ewing himself has all but stated Big John's influence motivated him to consider this job. We all could go for days like this. So yeah, it's not exactly a stretch. |
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Post by AltoSaxa on Jul 21, 2017 15:05:30 GMT -5
At one point during the 2006-07 season, according to guard Peyton Stovall, Thompson instructed his players not to trust white people. "He had said that," said Stovall, a fifth-year senior who is black. "It kind of bothered me a little bit. It was hard for me to believe. I grew up around white people." www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&sportCat=ncb&id=3088349In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement. - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_trollFair to post an article about his previous employment now that he is back at Georgetown and involved with athlete-students. Seems the troll is you. Agree with FlHoya ... just don't see how this staff helps support a first-time college coach. Can imagine kids, parents, high-school/AAU and other college coaches telling kids that Georgetown hasn't changed ... this is still the Thompson Hoyas and the last two Thompsons left the program for the worse. |
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jul 21, 2017 15:09:09 GMT -5
I have heard of ZERO reports of players hating Big John. As for coaches- there may be some level of tension at times, but they seem to like and respect him as well for the most part. And if they do not...[INSERT DOOR OUT BEING OPENED EMOJI]
Again, none of that really has any bearing on the hiring of an administrative staff member.
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