turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 10, 2018 11:53:08 GMT -5
I think Mac has a better handle than any of our current guards, including Mosely. We don't have a guard on our team that can handle real pressure. It certainly seems he's a much better shooter than Mosley is as well. If Mac isn't starting to open the season he will probably be by some point. He's the answer to the need for backcourt point production. I do think it is likely that Mosley will be our primary ball-handler though. Wait What!? just from the videos or statistically? Because Jagan is as of today a 38.1% shooter from 3, 4th best on the team behind, in order. Mulmore 1, Derrickson 2 and Johnson 3... is shooting over 50% from the field overall... in College, against Big East competition... Mac shot 35% from 3 at Adidas Uprising in 2017... We need to slow down with this Mac is better than what we have or he will be a day one starter...
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Post by goyahoya69 on Jan 10, 2018 12:18:09 GMT -5
Do ppl really believe that McClung is already or (in 10 months) will be better than jagan? I respectfully, but vehemently, disagree. Looks like he is a better offensively, no? How can anyone say such a thing at this point in mac's career? I'm excited to see him on the hilltop, but let's not pretend he's dominating or even playing well in a conference like the WCAC.
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Post by goyahoya69 on Jan 10, 2018 12:19:13 GMT -5
Mac looks to me to be the kind of kid that thinks he can beat out anyone for playing time - he's got the good kind of swagger rooted in performance and would look at a higher ranked kid as a challenge instead of an obstacle. That is almost verbatim how I described Jagan when he committed here.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 10, 2018 12:24:42 GMT -5
Wait What!? just from the videos or statistically? Because Jagan is as of today a 38.1% shooter from 3, 4th best on the team behind, in order. Mulmore 1, Derrickson 2 and Johnson 3... is shooting over 50% from the field overall... in College, against Big East competition... Mac shot 35% from 3 at Adidas Uprising in 2017... We need to slow down with this Mac is better than what we have or he will be a day one starter... Are we really trying to compare 17 attempts and 21 attempts and asserting 3% is a significant difference? If you put a gun to my head, yes, I'd probably make the argument that Mac is the better shooter now. From watching the videos, he attempts a lot more than Mosely does, and is able to hit a three with a hand in his face and his jumper has significant elevation that should play at the next level. We're not likely to have a pass first PG next year that is going to be feeding either of these guys wide open looks, so being able to make space, get elevation, hit in transition, and make a contested shot are all important. When we say "Mac is probably better than what we have", I dunno about anyone else, but I'm not talking about talking about the one or two attempts a game that Mosely takes from three - I'm talking about Pickett and Blair and Dickerson (32.5% and 30.9% and 19%) - Pickett and Blair both with more than three times as many attempts as Mosely. I'm hoping that those are the attempts that Mac eats a percentage away from.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 10, 2018 12:35:10 GMT -5
It certainly seems he's a much better shooter than Mosley is as well. If Mac isn't starting to open the season he will probably be by some point. He's the answer to the need for backcourt point production. I do think it is likely that Mosley will be our primary ball-handler though. Wait What!? just from the videos or statistically? Because Jagan is as of today a 38.1% shooter from 3, 4th best on the team behind, in order. Mulmore 1, Derrickson 2 and Johnson 3... is shooting over 50% from the field overall... in College, against Big East competition... Mac shot 35% from 3 at Adidas Uprising in 2017... We need to slow down with this Mac is better than what we have or he will be a day one starter... I really like Mosley but a good shooter he is not. He has made 8 three pointers all season (16 games). He also only made 9 all of last season. Anyone who watches can see that he is terribly reluctant to shoot outside shots. Yes, he went 2 - 2 from 3 vs St. Johns and it would be a wonderful thing if that was a signal of an improving shot, but given his history I'm skeptical. I've only seen highlights of Mac's shot but it look great and he has the confidence to hit from anywhere. That won't change next year even though defenses will be better at taking some of them away from him.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 10, 2018 12:50:26 GMT -5
I like parts of Jagan's game, but ball handling and shooting are not his strong suits. I think he can improve his shooting, but handle may be more difficult. Mosely's threes are coming on wide open looks. If you're a BE guard and can't sink open threes with regularity, you had better bring a ton of other stuff to the table.
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turbohoya
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Post by turbohoya on Jan 10, 2018 12:52:47 GMT -5
Wait What!? just from the videos or statistically? Because Jagan is as of today a 38.1% shooter from 3, 4th best on the team behind, in order. Mulmore 1, Derrickson 2 and Johnson 3... is shooting over 50% from the field overall... in College, against Big East competition... Mac shot 35% from 3 at Adidas Uprising in 2017... We need to slow down with this Mac is better than what we have or he will be a day one starter... Are we really trying to compare 17 attempts and 21 attempts and asserting 3% is a significant difference? If you put a gun to my head, yes, I'd probably make the argument that Mac is the better shooter now. From watching the videos, he attempts a lot more than Mosely does, and is able to hit a three with a hand in his face and his jumper has significant elevation that should play at the next level. We're not likely to have a pass first PG next year that is going to be feeding either of these guys wide open looks, so being able to make space, get elevation, hit in transition, and make a contested shot are all important. When we say "Mac is probably better than what we have", I dunno about anyone else, but I'm not talking about talking about the one or two attempts a game that Mosely takes from three - I'm talking about Pickett and Blair and Dickerson (32.5% and 30.9% and 19%) - Pickett and Blair both with more than three times as many attempts as Mosely. I'm hoping that those are the attempts that Mac eats a percentage away from. "From watching the videos, he attempts a lot more than Mosely does, and is able to hit a three with a hand in his face and his jumper has significant elevation that should play at the next level." This is the problem... You can hope for that, and I hope you are right but you can't just throw this stuff around as it is quasi fact... 1) how many videos of Mac have you seen? in many of the videos I have seen sometimes I get the same 'make' two or three times... Somehow never seen him miss a three on those videos and I have no way of saying he takes A LOT of threes, like 6-8 a game, or less... so I don't know frequency or hit rate 2) how many videos of Jagan have you seen from High School to be able to compare? I can only find writeups of some of his St.A games - some where he made 5 3's, other doesn't say a single time. So, unless you have stats that I can't seem to put my hand on, how can you say that Mac attempts more? Or that he is more able to hit a 3 with a hand in his face than Jagan was as a senior in HS? I'll let you guys whip yourselves up in a Mac frenzy if you want but some of these statements about ability right now speak to the power of the YouTube sensation rather than a proven skill set, against comparable competition...
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 10, 2018 13:23:54 GMT -5
I'll let you guys whip yourselves up in a Mac frenzy if you want but some of these statements about ability right now speak to the power of the YouTube sensation rather than a proven skill set, against comparable competition... "He's better than guys shooting 30% who have O ratings in the 70s" == "whipping ourselves into a Mac frenzy" Shaking my head. We're not watching Dude Perfect over here and arguing that he's better than Steph Curry, we're arguing a guy who just torched good competition in the Arby's tournament is going to be a reasonably good college player. I get that highlight videos are selectively edited and are not a good way to judge efficiency - but it's not like his athleticism in these videos is some kind of CGI effect. It's real. EDIT : anyone willing to go in on a message board bet here? Terms, choose any one : - McClung shoots over 30% from three his freshman year - McClung has a 85+ O rating his freshman year - McClung shoots 40% from the floor his freshman year Any of these would be improvements over what we have today. You want to bet the under? Great, I'll change my avatar to whatever you want for an entire year (within limits of good taste). You lose, you change your avatar to a hot dog with ketchup on it for an entire year.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Jan 10, 2018 13:32:45 GMT -5
I really like Mosley but a good shooter he is not. He has made 8 three pointers all season (16 games). He also only made 9 all of last season. Anyone who watches can see that he is terribly reluctant to shoot outside shots. Yes, he went 2 - 2 from 3 vs St. Johns and it would be a wonderful thing if that was a signal of an improving shot, but given his history I'm skeptical. Not a huge sample size, but across five Big East games, he's 5-9 from deep, which is more than one game's worth of data (after going 3-12 out of conference). If he keeps this up over the next 3-4 games, I'd be on board saying his shot has definitely improved.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2018 13:55:16 GMT -5
To me its not about Mac's level, its about getting players better than what Gtown currently has on the roster.. The staff could hit lotto by bringing in Anfernee Simons but that won't mean they "recruited over" Mac because he has a good chance to beat out returning players for PT next season.. Recruiting should be about upgrading the roster, right now an unranked kid could do that given how depleted the back court is.. The problem is limited scholarships. Yes if we got a player in Mac's level would they make the team better next year, maybe. You can't have all your guards being on Mac's level and think you are going to compete in the BE and get back to the level we were at not long ago. This is not to say Mac won't be a underrated kid that hits or that the next kid at his level won't, but if you keep recruiting at his level the chances are not in our favor. I'll take a small improvement, this rebuild will take awhile.. Take a look at who's killing it in Creightons backcourt right now, even Watson was a "Mac" type coming out of HS.. High development & a solid system can go a long ways..
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Post by zxhoya on Jan 10, 2018 16:31:25 GMT -5
I really like Mosley but a good shooter he is not. He has made 8 three pointers all season (16 games). He also only made 9 all of last season. Anyone who watches can see that he is terribly reluctant to shoot outside shots. Yes, he went 2 - 2 from 3 vs St. Johns and it would be a wonderful thing if that was a signal of an improving shot, but given his history I'm skeptical. Not a huge sample size, but across five Big East games, he's 5-9 from deep, which is more than one game's worth of data (after going 3-12 out of conference). If he keeps this up over the next 3-4 games, I'd be on board saying his shot has definitely improved. Jagan's late game 3 last night against the Johnnies was the best looking jump shot I've ever seen from him, picture perfect form. He normally turns his body sideways when he shoots with a somewhat cocked elbow but that shot had the beautiful 'L' arm follow thru, he's obviously putting in work. Mac shoots the 3 out to NBA range with ease although that doesn't mean he'll shoot a high percentage as a freshman next season but I suspect the 3 ball will be his major weapon early on. I think Kenner League will be good for Mac, improved competition and speed will be good for him. Eventually I think coach Ewing will implement more pick-and-roll with Mac which I think he will excel at ala Kemba Walker, this is what coach Ewing pitched to Tremont Waters.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jan 11, 2018 15:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 11, 2018 16:47:12 GMT -5
If you go back to his AAU videos, you see his ability to score against better competition. Granted these are highlight videos, but he is dunking, hitting threes and dishing to bigs. He is comfortable with the rock in his hands and is only getting better.
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Post by kettlehill on Jan 11, 2018 18:10:36 GMT -5
After watching some of the innumerable videos, what I really like the most about the kid- aside from the obvious skills and the fact that he is clearly a gym rat, is how he response to all the the hype: Very little showboating. In fact the most excited he was in all the videos was after he passed a nice alley-oop to his teammate # 23. He was all kind of fired up, dragging the kid over to the camera..... This kid is going to succeed
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 11, 2018 20:30:32 GMT -5
The kid has a competitive fire ...have to love that. From day one, he’s an upgrade from the current starting PG.
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Post by jester on Jan 11, 2018 21:33:52 GMT -5
Hopefully surround by shooters (Govan, Derrickson, Malinowski, jamarko) he will have the space to drive for himself with less traffic then say, a mulmore does. Still need to figure out our D next year. Hoping jamarko takes a step forward and kaleb/Leblanc turn into stoppers.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 11, 2018 23:54:44 GMT -5
The kid is giving us hope for next year. He has skills, hops, fire, confidence and humility. Time will tell the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 2:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by calhoya on Jan 13, 2018 7:58:11 GMT -5
I really hope that this kid lives up to the hype and provides the scoring from the guard position the Hoyas desperately need. Not all trying to be negative but having watched what seems like dozens of highlight videos now, I see that he is primarily taking and making shots that he might seldom get at the next level. I would really like to see if he can create his own shots out of a half court game from the perimeter and against taller opponents.
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