GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 5, 2017 13:03:32 GMT -5
Hmph, I don't believe that! The little time he played he played well. Stop it! The guy has played 18 minutes, and has gotten 8 fouls. That's not playing well. As for those clamoring for more playing time, he's fouled so much, realistically he wouldn't last very long in a game anyway. That's why I am skeptical he would be able to fill in for Govan in foul trouble anyway. Sodom might very well contribute in the future, maybe even this season, he just has a lot of work to do. Keep in mind Hibbert was pretty awful his freshman year too. I am not saying Sodom will ever be as good as Hibbert, but it shows that big men can develop fairly quickly depending on talent level/effort. Hibbert is almost the inverse of Sodom. Hibbert was a good basketball player as a freshman. He could pass, hit FTs, etc. but he was clumsy and all arms and legs. That's why Hibbert played and Sodom will not. Sodom is a fluid athlete with great reach but needs strength and experience. So I like Sodom long-term but tough to see him doing anything other than short spurts this year.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 13:43:12 GMT -5
Hmph, I don't believe that! The little time he played he played well. Stop it! The guy has played 18 minutes, and has gotten 8 fouls. That's not playing well. As for those clamoring for more playing time, he's fouled so much, realistically he wouldn't last very long in a game anyway. That's why I am skeptical he would be able to fill in for Govan in foul trouble anyway. Sodom might very well contribute in the future, maybe even this season, he just has a lot of work to do. Keep in mind Hibbert was pretty awful his freshman year too. I am not saying Sodom will ever be as good as Hibbert, but it shows that big men can develop fairly quickly depending on talent level/effort. First of all Roy Hibbert could barely run the court without tripping over his big get. Sodom runs like a deer, so no comparison there. Sodom has a better shooting touch than Roy. If you read my earlier post I posted his stats for the little time he's played. Bigs when they don't get the ball get frustrated and some of those fouls come. Ever noticed this? Hmmm. Just because you've fouled means you're haven't played well? Gosh, who are you? I mean keep it real! He wouldn't last long in a game anyway??? How do you know? smh Do you really know the game of basketball? AGAIN HERE ARE SODOM'S STATS!!! IN FOUR GAMES THE 7'3" HAS PLAYED 18 MINUTES AS WE KNOW. IN THOSE 18 MINUTES HE HAS 7 REBOUNDS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT! GOT IT? FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS .500 AND 3 BLOCKS. IF HE PLAYED MORE HIS STATS WOULD BLOSSOM. PUT HIM OUT THERE HE'S 7'3". HE'S A "RIM PROTECTOR" MAN! OH, BTW SODOM IS NOT AWFUL! WAKE UP.
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Post by BigmanU on Dec 5, 2017 13:45:30 GMT -5
The guy has played 18 minutes, and has gotten 8 fouls. That's not playing well. As for those clamoring for more playing time, he's fouled so much, realistically he wouldn't last very long in a game anyway. That's why I am skeptical he would be able to fill in for Govan in foul trouble anyway. Sodom might very well contribute in the future, maybe even this season, he just has a lot of work to do. Keep in mind Hibbert was pretty awful his freshman year too. I am not saying Sodom will ever be as good as Hibbert, but it shows that big men can develop fairly quickly depending on talent level/effort. Hibbert is almost the inverse of Sodom. Hibbert was a good basketball player as a freshman. He could pass, hit FTs, etc. but he was clumsy and all arms and legs. That's why Hibbert played and Sodom will not. Sodom is a fluid athlete with great reach but needs strength and experience. So I like Sodom long-term but tough to see him doing anything other than short spurts this year. Not true. He was part of a six man rotation and had to play almost out of necessity because Green had to play most of the game at center. That team was a lot thinner than this years version. Glide: Sodom fouls at an alarming rate. The chances of him staying on the court for long stretches are slim to none. I want a 7'3" dude to represent at Big Man U as much as the next guy. but you have to be patient. You seem to get fixated on an unsung player and go completely ham over them. Nothing totally wrong with this, but you should temper your expectations. Patience worked for Hibbert, maybe you'll get the same results, maybe not?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2017 13:46:44 GMT -5
Hibbert also didn't have Govan in front of him, so I think that was a major reason he got minutes his freshman year. Still, he averaged 15.8 minutes per game - a good number, but not the types of minutes he would later see in sophomore year and beyond.
At his current foul rate, Sodom would pick up 4 fouls in 9 minutes, and foul out after 11 minutes and 15 seconds.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 13:49:28 GMT -5
The guy has played 18 minutes, and has gotten 8 fouls. That's not playing well. As for those clamoring for more playing time, he's fouled so much, realistically he wouldn't last very long in a game anyway. That's why I am skeptical he would be able to fill in for Govan in foul trouble anyway. Sodom might very well contribute in the future, maybe even this season, he just has a lot of work to do. Keep in mind Hibbert was pretty awful his freshman year too. I am not saying Sodom will ever be as good as Hibbert, but it shows that big men can develop fairly quickly depending on talent level/effort. Hibbert is almost the inverse of Sodom. Hibbert was a good basketball player as a freshman. He could pass, hit FTs, etc. but he was clumsy and all arms and legs. That's why Hibbert played and Sodom will not. Sodom is a fluid athlete with great reach but needs strength and experience. So I like Sodom long-term but tough to see him doing anything other than short spurts this year. I respect your opinion but disagree. Who said Sodom wasn't a good passer? He passed the ball during the summer. Did you see him? Big men develop quickly by playing. Any player does. Do you coach? Just asking. Sodom has strength believe it or not. He doesn't get pushed around. Sodom hits most of his free throws, smooth touch as well. YOU GET EXPERIENCE BY PLAYING BASKETBALL, NOT SITTING ESPECIALLY IN THESE CUPCAKE GAMES!!!
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nychoya3
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Post by nychoya3 on Dec 5, 2017 13:50:20 GMT -5
"Sodom has a better shooting touch than Roy."
What are you possibly basing this on? Hibbert was awkward as hell as a freshman (hell, he was awkward as a senior too), but he was clearly a basketball player. He could catch and pass and get to the right spots and wasn't overwhelmed by the game. He progressed super quickly because he was smart and a worker who figured out what he was good at and just did that really well.
I wouldn't mind seeing some more Sodom because he's probably going to have to end up playing at some point in the Big East when Govan gets in foul trouble and the other team has a big center, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that the results are going to be pretty in the short run.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 13:50:58 GMT -5
Hibbert also didn't have Govan in front of him, so I think that was a major reason he got minutes his freshman year. Still, he averaged 15.8 minutes per game - a good number, but not the types of minutes he would later see in sophomore year and beyond. At his current foul rate, Sodom would pick up 4 fouls in 9 minutes, and foul out after 11 minutes and 15 seconds. LOL, who are you. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. All you keep talking about is fouls. Nothing else. He's a good rebounder on both ends of the court and a "rim protector." STOP ASSUMING. KNOW AND LEARN THE GAME.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 13:51:53 GMT -5
"Sodom has a better shooting touch than Roy." What are you possibly basing this on? Hibbert was awkward as hell as a freshman (hell, he was awkward as a senior too), but he was clearly a basketball player. He could catch and pass and get to the right spots and wasn't overwhelmed by the game. He progressed super quickly because he was smart and a worker who figured out what he was good at and just did that really well. I wouldn't mind seeing some more Sodom because he's probably going to have to end up playing at some point in the Big East when Govan gets in foul trouble and the other team has a big center, but we shouldn't kid ourselves that the results are going to be pretty in the short run. Some people just don't get it or understand. The game of basketball, that is. lol...You are right.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 13:53:12 GMT -5
Hibbert also didn't have Govan in front of him, so I think that was a major reason he got minutes his freshman year. Still, he averaged 15.8 minutes per game - a good number, but not the types of minutes he would later see in sophomore year and beyond. At his current foul rate, Sodom would pick up 4 fouls in 9 minutes, and foul out after 11 minutes and 15 seconds. Assuming clown talk. lol RIDICULOUS.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2017 13:55:16 GMT -5
First of all Roy Hibbert could barely run the court without tripping over his big get. Sodom runs like a deer, so no comparison there. Sodom has a better shooting touch than Roy. If you read my earlier post I posted his stats for the little time he's played. Bigs when they don't get the ball get frustrated and some of those fouls come. Ever noticed this? Hmmm. Just because you've fouled means you're haven't played well? Gosh, who are you? I mean keep it real! He wouldn't last long in a game anyway??? How do you know? smh Do you really know the game of basketball? AGAIN HERE ARE SODOM'S STATS!!! IN FOUR GAMES THE 7'3" HAS PLAYED 18 MINUTES AS WE KNOW. IN THOSE 18 MINUTES HE HAS 7 REBOUNDS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT! GOT IT? FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS .500 AND 3 BLOCKS. IF HE PLAYED MORE HIS STATS WOULD BLOSSOM. PUT HIM OUT THERE HE'S 7'3". HE'S A "RIM PROTECTOR" MAN! OH, BTW SODOM IS NOT AWFUL! WAKE UP. Glide, I admire your enthusiasm, but I disagree. First, I am not saying Hibbert and Sodom are carbon copies; clearly they aren't. Sodom does run pretty well for a big man, I'll give you that. And I am glad he's gotten rebounds in his limited minutes. Obviously, Sodom has played so little, we have no idea how often he'd foul in a longer period. That being said, in the ONLY game where he got more than a few minutes, he fouled out. He's played 18 minutes and gotten 8 fouls. At that rate, he fouls once every 2 minutes and 15 seconds minutes, would have 4 fouls at 9 minutes, and 5 at 11 minutes and 15 seconds. Thus, by definition, he cannot play as much as Hibbert did as a freshman, unless he reduces his foul rate. It's math. As far as your statement that, "Bigs when they don't get the ball get frustrated and some of those fouls come. Ever noticed this? Hmmm." My response is that it's up to Sodom to figure out how to overcome those frustrations as he develops. It's part of basketball. Now, obviously, the limited amount of time he's played may not be indicative - he very well could foul less going forward, but either way, he's likely going to be fouling a lot, which is going to limit his times. Yes, he might have 3 blocks, but part of the reason he's gotten fouls is because he's flailing his arms around trying to get blocks and he gets fouls. Plus, keep in mind that if Sodom comes into games toward the end and fouls, he's also giving the opposition two free throws in all likelihood. So it's a real problem. Again, I like Sodom, I like that he runs well, and I think he's got a lot of potential if he can work with Ewing and the staff to develop his skills. He hasn't played basketball all that long as it is; the kid needs time to develop. And nobody has said Sodom is "awful." He's basically what I expected him to be - a project who will need time to develop.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:00:50 GMT -5
Hibbert is almost the inverse of Sodom. Hibbert was a good basketball player as a freshman. He could pass, hit FTs, etc. but he was clumsy and all arms and legs. That's why Hibbert played and Sodom will not. Sodom is a fluid athlete with great reach but needs strength and experience. So I like Sodom long-term but tough to see him doing anything other than short spurts this year. Not true. He was part of a six man rotation and had to play almost out of necessity because Green had to play most of the game at center. That team was a lot thinner than this years version. Glide: Sodom fouls at an alarming rate. The chances of him staying on the court for long stretches are slim to none. I want a 7'3" dude to represent at Big Man U as much as the next guy. but you have to be patient. You seem to get fixated on an unsung player and go completely ham over them. Nothing totally wrong with this, but you should temper your expectations. Patience worked for Hibbert, maybe you'll get the same results, maybe not? NO, disrespect, BUT you sound like you don't the game of basketball and you're ASSUMING. YOU HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ELSE. YOU DON'T ABOUT STAYING ON THE COURT FOR LONG STRETCHES WOULD PUT HIM IN FOUL TROUBLE. YOU'RE ASSUMING. AGAIN, BIGS GET FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY DON'T GET THE BALL AS WELL AND GIVE UP FOULS. SMH I AM PATIENT BUT I ALSO KNOW THE GAME. WHERE I GREW YOU GOT OUT THERE AND F ING PLAY. LEARN AS YOU GO. I've COACHED FOR MANY F ING YEARS. IF I HAVE A 7'3" PLAYER HE'S PLAYING ESPECICALLY IN THESE CUPCAKE GAMES. DON'T TELL ME WHAT I SEEM TO GET FIXATED ON AND GOING SO CALLED HAM OVER THEM. THAT'S JUST YOU'RE "ASSUMPTIONS" LIKE YOU'VE BEEN SINCE YOUR FIRST POST. Just because I feel as if Sodom should play more minutes doesn't mean I'm going so called "ham" over them/him. You can't represent sitting in cupcake games. GTFOH man. Stop telling me WTF I should do too. Learn the damn game and stop "ASSUMING." MORE TO THE GAME OF BASKETBALL THAN FOULING. HOW MANY BLOCKS WOULD HE HAVE IF HE HAS 3 BLOCKS IN 18 MINUTES, REBOUNDS? IF YOU'RE POST, POST EVERYTHING. SIGHS!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2017 14:01:36 GMT -5
LOL, who are you. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. All you keep talking about is fouls. Nothing else. He's a good rebounder on both ends of the court and a "rim protector." STOP ASSUMING. KNOW AND LEARN THE GAME. If you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that I noted Sodom runs well, and has potential. But you choose to ignore that. I never said he was a bad rebounder. I think Sodom could be a good player for us - with development. He's simply not there right now. If you can't understand that Sodom has thus far drawn a foul every 2.25 minutes, and by definition, at his current rate of fouling, that means he'd foul out in 11.25 minutes, I am not sure what to tell you. That's why it matters. In the only game where Ewing played Sodom substantial minutes (12 minutes against Mount St. Mary's), he fouled out in 12 minutes. I don't think that's the only reason he isn't getting more minutes, but it's hard to develop a player who cannot stay on the floor. And enough with the insults, etc. Before you start throwing insults around, maybe read a little more closely.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:05:18 GMT -5
First of all Roy Hibbert could barely run the court without tripping over his big get. Sodom runs like a deer, so no comparison there. Sodom has a better shooting touch than Roy. If you read my earlier post I posted his stats for the little time he's played. Bigs when they don't get the ball get frustrated and some of those fouls come. Ever noticed this? Hmmm. Just because you've fouled means you're haven't played well? Gosh, who are you? I mean keep it real! He wouldn't last long in a game anyway??? How do you know? smh Do you really know the game of basketball? AGAIN HERE ARE SODOM'S STATS!!! IN FOUR GAMES THE 7'3" HAS PLAYED 18 MINUTES AS WE KNOW. IN THOSE 18 MINUTES HE HAS 7 REBOUNDS ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT! GOT IT? FIELD GOAL PERCENTAGE IS .500 AND 3 BLOCKS. IF HE PLAYED MORE HIS STATS WOULD BLOSSOM. PUT HIM OUT THERE HE'S 7'3". HE'S A "RIM PROTECTOR" MAN! OH, BTW SODOM IS NOT AWFUL! WAKE UP. Glide, I admire your enthusiasm, but I disagree. First, I am not saying Hibbert and Sodom are carbon copies; clearly they aren't. Sodom does run pretty well for a big man, I'll give you that. And I am glad he's gotten rebounds in his limited minutes. Obviously, Sodom has played so little, we have no idea how often he'd foul in a longer period. That being said, in the ONLY game where he got more than a few minutes, he fouled out. He's played 18 minutes and gotten 8 fouls. At that rate, he fouls once every 2 minutes and 15 seconds minutes, would have 4 fouls at 9 minutes, and 5 at 11 minutes and 15 seconds. Thus, by definition, he cannot play as much as Hibbert did as a freshman, unless he reduces his foul rate. It's math. As far as your statement that, "Bigs when they don't get the ball get frustrated and some of those fouls come. Ever noticed this? Hmmm." My response is that it's up to Sodom to figure out how to overcome those frustrations as he develops. It's part of basketball. Now, obviously, the limited amount of time he's played may not be indicative - he very well could foul less going forward, but either way, he's likely going to be fouling a lot, which is going to limit his times. Yes, he might have 3 blocks, but part of the reason he's gotten fouls is because he's flailing his arms around trying to get blocks and he gets fouls. Plus, keep in mind that if Sodom comes into games toward the end and fouls, he's also giving the opposition two free throws in all likelihood. So it's a real problem. I don't give a f u admire my enthusiasm. I disagreed with you to but the facts are right here. I asked if you ever noticed in basketball when bigs don't get the ball whenand where they're supposed they get frustrated and foul (no intentionally. LOOK, if you don't know the game or what I'm talking this is pointless. WHO IS THIS IDIOT? ? FOULS FOULS FOULS. LOL. KNOW THE GAME BEFORE YOU SPEAK OUT. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chris_sodom_1051753.htmlAgain, I like Sodom, I like that he runs well, and I think he's got a lot of potential if he can work with Ewing and the staff to develop his skills. He hasn't played basketball all that long as it is; the kid needs time to develop. And nobody has said Sodom is "awful." He's basically what I expected him to be - a project who will need time to develop.
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 5, 2017 14:08:11 GMT -5
Glide, you're a great basketball poster and you have seen way more of Sodom than I have. But you are in the minority here and you might be right. But everything the majority of us have seen in the early season suggests Ewing has very sound reasons to focus on Govan right now and not force Sodom into the rotation.
If Ewing weren't literally the most qualified big man coach potentially in all of basketball, would we think differently? Possibly yes and I admit that. But right now, I'm very willing to trust his judgement based on Sodom's early play.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:09:01 GMT -5
LOL, who are you. You obviously don't know what you're talking about. All you keep talking about is fouls. Nothing else. He's a good rebounder on both ends of the court and a "rim protector." STOP ASSUMING. KNOW AND LEARN THE GAME. If you go back and read what I wrote, you will see that I noted Sodom runs well, and has potential. But you choose to ignore that. I never said he was a bad rebounder. I think Sodom could be a good player for us - with development. He's simply not there right now. If you can't understand that Sodom has thus far drawn a foul every 2.25 minutes, and by definition, at his current rate of fouling, that means he'd foul out in 11.25 minutes, I am not sure what to tell you. That's why it matters. In the only game where Ewing played Sodom substantial minutes (12 minutes against Mount St. Mary's), he fouled out in 12 minutes. I don't think that's the only reason he isn't getting more minutes, but it's hard to develop a player who cannot stay on the floor. And enough with the insults, etc. Before you start throwing insults around, maybe read a little more closely. AGAIN, STOP ASSUMING! HOW CAN YOU ASSUME SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BECAUSE OF YOUR STATS??? GTFOH How in the f can you develop a player that doesn't get on the court??? How idiotic!!! YOU SHOULD READ AND COMPREHEND AND LEARN FROM SOME OF THE BEST!!! WHO SAID HE WAS THERE RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE ONEOF THOSE DUMB ASSUMING MINDS. LOL. YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HOW SODOM RUNS THE COURT UNTIL I DID. STOP IT! YOU'RE INSULTING YOURSELF BY ASSUMING.
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Post by TC on Dec 5, 2017 14:12:47 GMT -5
I think a better comparison for Sodom is probably Henry Sims, who played 10 minutes a game for the meltdown-at-Duke team his first year. I'm sure the rate stats don't really compare at the moment due to small sample size (hoyasaxa2003 - 18 minutes is a *really* small sample size), but I think Sims is probably a better comp of upside and current ability than Hibbert.
Also, I'll totally double down on this - the games this year do not matter. If Sodom only gets 4.5 minutes a game for the year, that's going to be a wasted opportunity. I don't think you have to give him 15 minutes a game, but hanging DNPs on him against MEAC teams seems silly. I really do think our realistic tournament window opens in 2019-2020, and Govan and Derrickson won't be there for that, so getting them their time has to be balanced a bit by getting Sodom/Walker/Blair/Mosely their time.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:13:50 GMT -5
Glide, you're a great basketball poster and you have seen way more of Sodom than I have. But you are in the minority here and you might be right. But everything the majority of us have seen in the early season suggests Ewing has very sound reasons to focus on Govan right now and not force Sodom into the rotation. If Ewing weren't literally the most qualified big man coach potentially in all of basketball, would we think differently? Possibly yes and I admit that. But right now, I'm very willing to trust his judgement based on Sodom's early play. The ones that agree seem to know the game. Hmmm. The ones that don't are either assuming or plain ole don't know the game of basketball. There are more folks here that don't know the game than do. Period. I've seen it over the years. People said I was wrong about what the Hoyas problem was. I mentioned guard play. People ridiculed me. But when other's started saying it especially the media folks made me look like a genius. YOU? I'm about the same age as Ewing. While he was playing I was coaching. I will not apologize. I totally respect Ewing. Just like coach Ewing said he's his own coach, I am as well. I tried this dozens of times before in camps, scrimmages and games. You cannot develop sitting on the damn bench period especially during cupcake season. Get real man.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:14:31 GMT -5
I think a better comparison for Sodom is probably Henry Sims, who played 10 minutes a game for the meltdown-at-Duke team his first year. I'm sure the rate stats don't really compare at the moment due to small sample size (hoyasaxa2003 - 18 minutes is a *really* small sample size), but I think Sims is probably a better comp of upside and current ability than Hibbert. Also, I'll totally double down on this - the games this year do not matter. If Sodom only gets 4.5 minutes a game for the year, that's going to be a wasted opportunity. I don't think you have to give him 15 minutes a game, but hanging DNPs on him against MEAC teams seems silly. EXACTLY!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 5, 2017 14:18:58 GMT -5
Tell Sodom to keep his hands up. Get some darn bricks, tape em up and make the team run with them especially the bigs. Ever notice how bigs in basketball don't keep their hands up anymore? The UCF kid Fall. Just think if he kept his hands up how many more blocks he would have and keep out of foul trouble. Some of those refs don't know how ref 7ft. and over players.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 5, 2017 14:22:37 GMT -5
I think a better comparison for Sodom is probably Henry Sims, who played 10 minutes a game for the meltdown-at-Duke team his first year. For what it's worth, Sims' minutes his sophomore year actually declined to 6.8 minutes per game.
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