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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 6, 2017 9:55:41 GMT -5
I agree Cam. That's why I thought it was encouraging that Ewing showed up in the cafeteria and took pictures with students. I think he needs to keep up that level of outreach to fans and alumni. The thing is, too, it really doesn't take all that much time and effort. 5 minutes at a reception here and there where you greet some alumni and fans makes all the world of difference. JT3 was way too insular and inaccessible.
When you're winning (like 2007), things like outreach are less important because fans will be attracted to the program anyway. But, when you hit rough patches, that type of outreach to fans helps to keep things more positive and it helps to keep the fanbase engaged.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jun 6, 2017 9:59:57 GMT -5
Personal drop-in by coach at alumni event: excellent and important. I would love to see Patrick do that. His presence would be even more exciting, because- HE'S PATRICK EWING!!!
Not tweeting about a tournament in November when the brackets come out in May: yawn.
The program should promote itself, but on its own terms.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 6, 2017 11:08:28 GMT -5
Okay, now I get your point. And yes, the admin and the program absolutely need to do a better job by about 1000% of valuing the fans of all levels. I'm 100% in agreement here. I've posted about this previously, but I think it's the kind of thing that this program needs to open up to: My father is a Villanova alum. Every year when Nova plays the Hoyas in DC, he comes to the game with me. He gets invited to the Villanova alumni club pre-game event. He doesn't always go, but you know who's always there? Jay Wright. He pops in for 5 minutes an hour before the game, says a few words, thanks everyone for their support, and scurries back to the locker room. He's done it when his team was good, and he's done it when his team was bad. These things matter to fans. I hope that Patrick understands that. As an old timer in the early days as the program was improving (mid to late 1970s) JT Jr. would show up at away games at alumni post-game receptions pretty regularly. The team would often also make an appearance and Big John would request that you not ask them for autographs but talk to them instead. I guess I'd classify myself as a "Wednesday" fan (Section 101).
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jun 6, 2017 15:37:12 GMT -5
Both JT Jr. and JTIII showed up at the John Carroll Awards weekend, when it was held in Las Vegas. There was a reception for mainly bball alumni, but I got Jimmy Brown to sneak me in. My wife was pleased to meet both of them (me too).
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 6, 2017 21:42:49 GMT -5
The Gtown Track team gets it, they need to school the folks on Gtown Hoops or Gtown Hoyas..
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 7, 2017 18:58:35 GMT -5
You can't see it here, but the Georgetown Hoyas account liked this.
Baby steps for EtomicB
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Post by McBricks on Jun 16, 2017 11:50:18 GMT -5
I'm glad they are doing something to incent season ticket renewals, but they need to do a lot more than this. There's no reason they can't add a bunch more of these prizes (think - sit on the bench during a game, attend practice, travel to a game, lunch with Coach Ewing, lunch with players, etc.). Add a ton of prizes so you feel like you could actually win something really cool. And another question is how do they incent people to join/renew with the Hoop Club? There's been many a discussion about this in the past, but it's critical right now. As someone who lives in California, there is absolutely no reason for me to join except out of allegiance. That's simply not good enough. There are plenty of other causes that can really use my dollars and support where I actually feel like I'm making a difference. I hope this new "administration" understands this and figures out a way to better include all the Hoya fans that don't attend games in person very often.
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Post by mapei on Jun 16, 2017 21:40:42 GMT -5
I'll be renewing my season tickets, but with less enthusiasm this year than anytime since 2005 . . .
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Post by tashoya on Jun 16, 2017 22:44:00 GMT -5
I'll be renewing my season tickets, but with less enthusiasm this year than anytime since 2005 . . . Good man. At least there are no expectations to be dashed. The bar is really low and it's going to be a rough year but, hopefully, things are looking up. I'm still not 100% on board with Patrick being the coach in the sense that it could be a perfect storm of awful for him. However, I respect the hell out of the fact that he took the job to try to bring his school back to prominence on the floor and I would never doubt Patrick's desire to win or his ability to make everyone around him better for having him there. High risk (for Patrick, not as much for Georgetown)/high reward (for both). I'll be rooting as hard as I can for the team and for Patrick to kill it. I don't expect much this year and, IMO, no one should. There's been a lot of turnover and upheaval and, frankly, brutal seasons. Patrick has not only the adjustment to head coaching and recruiting to worry about but the introduction of a new culture as the old one wasn't working. I'm curious to see how what we'll be griping about in 2-3 years.
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Post by Just Cos on Jun 16, 2017 23:24:21 GMT -5
My connection has moved more to the academic side of university than the basketball program. I generally have a fixed dollar amount I will donate to Georgetown and the percentage of that pie to basketball has diminished considerably. A lot of that is based on the program's ability to embrace me as a medium sized donor not based on D.C.
If I was in DC I would be buying season tickets again because I've always viewed Hoya games as an event. I would bring friends, colleagues, etc. But I'm not going to fly to D.C. this year for a game, which used to be an annual tradition.
What's worse is I may not go to Portland this year and I've had that on my calendar since they announced it. I almost always go to the Thanksgiving tournament and this is the mother of them all. That's sad but I've been in the loser bracket of those tournaments enough and usually there is a beautiful pool, ocean, casino or something to make it worthwhile. No disrespect to Portland because I love that city but November in Portland is miserable even if I pare it with a Bandon Dunes adventure.
Bottom line is I consider myself a strong supporter of Georgetown with my heart and wallet from 3000+ miles away and the program seems to not care.
So to not just bitch and offer something constructive I will offer this...I'm not after someone holding my hand or special treatment. I'm not a millennial. But what I want is respect. Shoot me an email that is not to the masses but to sub-masses (is that a word?). Know I've been to more tournaments than most assistants not named Eshrick. Just use technology and a college intern to do better.
Bringing it back to Patrick. He was my man as a Hoya and on the Knicks. The guy is great but he never got me a title as a Knicks fan. So I'm tempered on expectations. Want the best for the program but college coaching is a young man's game. I want the best for Patrick and will never say I told you so but I just don't feel it.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 16, 2017 23:49:31 GMT -5
My connection has moved more to the academic side of university than the basketball program. I generally have a fixed dollar amount I will donate to Georgetown and the percentage of that pie to basketball has diminished considerably. A lot of that is based on the program's ability to embrace me as a medium sized donor not based on D.C. If I was in DC I would be buying season tickets again because I've always viewed Hoya games as an event. I would bring friends, colleagues, etc. But I'm not going to fly to D.C. this year for a game, which used to be an annual tradition. What's worse is I may not go to Portland this year and I've had that on my calendar since they announced it. I almost always go to the Thanksgiving tournament and this is the mother of them all. That's sad but I've been in the loser bracket of those tournaments enough and usually there is a beautiful pool, ocean, casino or something to make it worthwhile. No disrespect to Portland because I love that city but November in Portland is miserable even if I pare it with a Bandon Dunes adventure. Bottom line is I consider myself a strong supporter of Georgetown with my heart and wallet from 3000+ miles away and the program seems to not care. So to not just bitch and offer something constructive I will offer this...I'm not after someone holding my hand or special treatment. I'm not a millennial. But what I want is respect. Shoot me an email that is not to the masses but to sub-masses (is that a word?). Know I've been to more tournaments than most assistants not named Eshrick. Just use technology and a college intern to do better. Bringing it back to Patrick. He was my man as a Hoya and on the Knicks. The guy is great but he never got me a title as a Knicks fan. So I'm tempered on expectations. Want the best for the program but college coaching is a young man's game. I want the best for Patrick and will never say I told you so but I just don't feel it. JustCos, i get where you're coming from and you stated your reasons well. But Patrick's knees betrayed him early in his NBA career and the Knicks were never the best team in his time there. They were in contention, largely, because of him. He also gave Georgetown its only national title. Imagine the Knicks without him. Those are not good teams. You're dead-on about the respect for fans. Especially financially supportive ones. No question. But CBB is mostly not a young man's game if you're talking about the guys that consistently win and have successful programs. At least not younger than Pat. And the "top" coaches aren't NBA HOF guys either. Patrick is a bit of a unicorn. There's Mullin. But Mullin wasn't the player Patrick was and doesn't have Patrick's coaching resume either.
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Post by Just Cos on Jun 16, 2017 23:49:42 GMT -5
Fair points on the Ewing vs Mullin comparison. I'm definitely in the wait and see camp. I just wish the house cleaning went beyond III.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 16, 2017 23:54:14 GMT -5
Fair points on the Ewing vs Mullin comparison. I'm definitely in the wait and see camp. I just wish the house cleaning went beyond III. I think many of us do. And Patrick has some stink on him because of the Big John angle. But that shouldn't diminish his resume, both as a player and a coach. The man is a winner and has experience. He wouldn't have been my choice either. Specifically because of those entanglements. Not because of him. I had hoped he'd get a better, less complicated, opportunity. But he chose to say yes to the one he was given. There aren't many more competitive people than Patrick. I choose to be hopeful because of that. Believe me, I'm a jilted Knicks fan too. I'm' not optimistic but I'm hopeful. And, as when Pat played for the Knicks, I'll probably just continue to hope for better for the man because he gives all he has.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 17, 2017 0:01:49 GMT -5
I think Patrick would be great in the role that Big John has been occupying since I was in school. Overseer. There are few better schooled in playing for a program on a downward swing and he has a solid coaching career to boot but he's also okay with deferring to others when the situation warrants it. I wouldn't be completely shocked if we all look back at this thread in a few years and joke about how stupid we were for wondering how Patrick would do as a HC. It remains to be seen but he's got the knowledge and the personality to be a very good coach on the pro level. But college is a different animal. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Just Cos on Jun 17, 2017 0:02:05 GMT -5
I don't know how you stayed a fan after they brought Isiah Thomas around for a second time. For me that was unforgivable. I'm now a fan of certain players and no team. Trying to remain a Durant fan even after his AI comment.
As for Pat, he may have been the best available but he doesn't give me the I'm gonna change the world feeling, which is sorely needed. I guess my gripes are with the program so maybe not the right thread.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 17, 2017 9:26:09 GMT -5
The camp offers the coaching staff the ability to evaluate players in a game setting that might be a bit more under control than the AAU games. It also serves as a good way to get prospects on campus for pseudo unofficial visits. Given that, typically there is some strategy involved as to who is brought into the camp.
This is what the best program in the league is doing the next two weekends..
I'm hoping to read about a Gtown camp before the summer is over, even a camp for middle school kids would be a nice start..
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Post by hoya95 on Jun 17, 2017 11:45:46 GMT -5
I assume those camps are legal since it sounds like the ones the football schools are doing, even though there's a big fight over whether Michigan can have one in the south, etc. But to turn those basketball summer camps that used to be open to anyone (hell, I went to those) into targeted pre-recruiting is just so creepy. But all college recruiting is pretty creepy at this point.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 17, 2017 12:47:11 GMT -5
I assume those camps are legal since it sounds like the ones the football schools are doing, even though there's a big fight over whether Michigan can have one in the south, etc. But to turn those basketball summer camps that used to be open to anyone (hell, I went to those) into targeted pre-recruiting is just so creepy. But all college recruiting is pretty creepy at this point. This type of thought process is partly to blame for Gtown's issues.. Call it creepy if you want to but Nova is building relationships with kids & the folks who run those programs..
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