dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 2, 2020 17:22:06 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 4, 2020 9:23:31 GMT -5
Kenpom ratings released: 86 2021 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings kenpom.com/
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 4, 2020 9:51:03 GMT -5
Kenpom ratings released: 86 2021 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings kenpom.com/Honestly, that seems fair to me. There are a lot of unknowns for this team coming into this season. I am optimistic they can outperform some of the predictions for them, but until they show it on the court, that is about where they belong.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on Nov 4, 2020 10:06:52 GMT -5
Kenpom ratings released: 86 2021 Pomeroy College Basketball Ratings kenpom.com/Honestly, that seems fair to me. There are a lot of unknowns for this team coming into this season. I am optimistic they can outperform some of the predictions for them, but until they show it on the court, that is about where they belong. This seems slightly better than I would have expected given we’ve trended in the 90-100 range by season’s end the last few years with arguably more talent on the roster. It feels like this is a down year for all of college basketball overall and specifically the BE as we already have discussed.
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rhw485
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 4, 2020 11:33:55 GMT -5
Interesting that Bart Torvik has us 120th pre-season and the methodologies are similar. Of note:
Kenpom - Offense: 89 - Defense: 86
Bart Torvik - Offense: 126 - Defense: 123
I'd think our offense ends up closer to KenPom and defense closer to Bart Torvik so split the difference?
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Nov 4, 2020 12:37:13 GMT -5
Don't know how anyone can predict this year particularly since teams won't have a pre-conference schedule to speak of and use to develop a cohesive team. The quality of the Hoya team on December 11th may be very different than it will be at the end of February given the number of new players and the lack of practice time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 5, 2020 17:59:37 GMT -5
Don't know how anyone can predict this year particularly since teams won't have a pre-conference schedule to speak of and use to develop a cohesive team. T he quality of the Hoya team on December 11th may be very different than it will be at the end of February given the number of new players and the lack of practice time. I realize this year is different because of the odd COVID situation, including lack of substantial OOC, but we have heard the above almost every year. Sometimes it is true, others it is not. We do have a young team, so I think it's very possible this year, though. But with regard to the KenPom ranking (different issue entirely) - every year Ewing has been coach we've ended the season ranked lower than where we started. Of course, that doesn't meant the team hasn't improved over the season, rather it means the model rated us better than expected.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 5, 2020 22:39:41 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success?
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Post by bornhoya on Nov 6, 2020 7:43:56 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success? if we playing 27 games to me anything over 14 would be a success
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Nov 6, 2020 8:04:58 GMT -5
Don't know how anyone can predict this year particularly since teams won't have a pre-conference schedule to speak of and use to develop a cohesive team. T he quality of the Hoya team on December 11th may be very different than it will be at the end of February given the number of new players and the lack of practice time. I realize this year is different because of the odd COVID situation, including lack of substantial OOC, but we have heard the above almost every year. Sometimes it is true, others it is not. We do have a young team, so I think it's very possible this year, though. But with regard to the KenPom ranking (different issue entirely) - every year Ewing has been coach we've ended the season ranked lower than where we started. Of course, that doesn't meant the team hasn't improved over the season, rather it means the model rated us better than expected. Fair comments and you are right that it is possible the Hoyas may not be better in February than now, but unless Ewing simply cannot coach it's hard for me to see how this team will not be better (not necessarily good) as the season progresses. Even in the context of the turmoil that was last season, the circumstances around this season seem extraordinary. Aside from COVID which has played hell with all teams, the Hoyas must contend with a very minimal out of conference schedule, a late arrival and limited practice time, an overwhelmingly negative perception of the program both within and outside of the conference, 3 unheralded transfers from mid-level schools and 5 freshmen, most of whom arrive as relative question marks. Throw in a redshirt sophomore who has yet to see the court, a backup post who played very limited minutes last year and only 3 players who saw significant Big East playing time prior to this season. No one can be certain whether Ewing has uncovered hidden gems, long term projects with potential or some combination of both. I realize that questions about Ewing the coach remain outstanding as they do about his staff, but it's hard to imagine that several months of practice and games will not lead to improvement.
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aristides
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Post by aristides on Nov 6, 2020 12:33:30 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success? If you're looking at wins, you've already decided to evaluate success quantitatively. Which is how one would normally evaluate a season however when we know the Hoyas are going to struggle it may be the wrong metric. I'm more interested in the qualitative information cause I don't want to drive myself into depression as I would if I started quantitatively. Is Wahab going to develop? Can Ewing get the team to play as a unit even though the losses may pile up? Can the freshman integrate and show promise? If at the end of the season, I feel optimistic for next year; maybe that's a better measure of success.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Nov 6, 2020 15:54:27 GMT -5
Fair comments and you are right that it is possible the Hoyas may not be better in February than now, but unless Ewing simply cannot coach it's hard for me to see how this team will not be better (not necessarily good) as the season progresses. Even in the context of the turmoil that was last season, the circumstances around this season seem extraordinary. Aside from COVID which has played hell with all teams, the Hoyas must contend with a very minimal out of conference schedule, a late arrival and limited practice time, an overwhelmingly negative perception of the program both within and outside of the conference, 3 unheralded transfers from mid-level schools and 5 freshmen, most of whom arrive as relative question marks. Throw in a redshirt sophomore who has yet to see the court, a backup post who played very limited minutes last year and only 3 players who saw significant Big East playing time prior to this season. No one can be certain whether Ewing has uncovered hidden gems, long term projects with potential or some combination of both. I realize that questions about Ewing the coach remain outstanding as they do about his staff, but it's hard to imagine that several months of practice and games will not lead to improvement. Who knows what this season will look like, but I would like to see an overall improvement towards the end of the season (whenever that is). Pat’s teams have a pretty bad record in February and March. 17-18: 2-7 (5 consecutive losses to end the season) 18-19: 5-7 19-20: 3-8 (7 consecutive losses to end the season) Total: 10-22 Use your roster early to see what you have and build confidence, while keeping your top players as fresh as possible.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 7, 2020 5:33:44 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success? If you're looking at wins, you've already decided to evaluate success quantitatively. Which is how one would normally evaluate a season however when we know the Hoyas are going to struggle it may be the wrong metric. I'm more interested in the qualitative information cause I don't want to drive myself into depression as I would if I started quantitatively. Is Wahab going to develop? Can Ewing get the team to play as a unit even though the losses may pile up? Can the freshman integrate and show promise? If at the end of the season, I feel optimistic for next year; maybe that's a better measure of success. Aristides, I always enjoy your responses because you put a lot of thought into them and you are fair. That is not always what we get on HT. The qualitative is more fair and appropriate, I took the cheap way out. I hope we can appreciate the small steps of improvement at the end of the season. I know that some posters are going to be calling for the heads of coaches and players by the middle of the season. Who knows, I may be one of them. I prefer our team when they are on the top of the mountain, but I do like the dark horse and I believe in Coach. I want them to have a safe and “successful” season. Thanks
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 7, 2020 8:29:15 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success? if we playing 27 games to me anything over 14 would be a success A game over 50%, I can see that. I can also see that as a stretch, given that everyone sees us as the last place team. With the fight that I saw in our guys late last season and the athletes we brought in this year, I would like to believe Coach puts a bullseye on every team we play this year.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 7, 2020 8:41:11 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 7, 2020 22:04:53 GMT -5
I am curious. How many wins would it take for this season to be considered a success? If you're looking at wins, you've already decided to evaluate success quantitatively. Which is how one would normally evaluate a season however when we know the Hoyas are going to struggle it may be the wrong metric. I'm more interested in the qualitative information cause I don't want to drive myself into depression as I would if I started quantitatively. Is Wahab going to develop? Can Ewing get the team to play as a unit even though the losses may pile up? Can the freshman integrate and show promise? If at the end of the season, I feel optimistic for next year; maybe that's a better measure of success. At minimum, for the season to be a success, regardless of wins and losses, the team needs to show a better defensive scheme/ability than it has in the past, because without that, it simply cannot get the wins it needs. I realize the team faces a lot of uphill climbs this year, and I have no expectation we are going to be world beaters, but a coherent defense is something we should be able to put on the floor regardless of offensive ability. In the last three years, it hasn't been there. We need to show improvement this year, or it will be time for some type of change, be it Ewing or staff under him.
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Post by HamptonHoya on Nov 8, 2020 5:20:33 GMT -5
If you're looking at wins, you've already decided to evaluate success quantitatively. Which is how one would normally evaluate a season however when we know the Hoyas are going to struggle it may be the wrong metric. I'm more interested in the qualitative information cause I don't want to drive myself into depression as I would if I started quantitatively. Is Wahab going to develop? Can Ewing get the team to play as a unit even though the losses may pile up? Can the freshman integrate and show promise? If at the end of the season, I feel optimistic for next year; maybe that's a better measure of success. At minimum, for the season to be a success, regardless of wins and losses, the team needs to show a better defensive scheme/ability than it has in the past, because without that, it simply cannot get the wins it needs. I realize the team faces a lot of uphill climbs this year, and I have no expectation we are going to be world beaters, but a coherent defense is something we should be able to put on the floor regardless of offensive ability. In the last three years, it hasn't been there. We need to show improvement this year, or it will be time for some type of change, be it Ewing or staff under him. Alright, defense. This is something we would all like to see improve, including Coach. Part of that is talent, part of that is buy in and desire, another part is philosophy and the last part is carrying that philosophy out (I am sure I am leaving something out). Hopefully we have a net gain in defensive talent. Looking to see how far we have come since the Hoyas were last on the floor.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 9, 2020 0:10:20 GMT -5
Alright, defense. This is something we would all like to see improve, including Coach. Part of that is talent, part of that is buy in and desire, another part is philosophy and the last part is carrying that philosophy out (I am sure I am leaving something out). Hopefully we have a net gain in defensive talent. Looking to see how far we have come since the Hoyas were last on the floor. For the last several years, people have talked about getting better defensive talent. And it still hasn't improved. First, Govan was the problem. Then, Govan graduated, and Yurtseven was the target. Team defense is a matter of coordination, and a well coached defensive team can be stronger than the sum of its parts. Other defensive-oriented coaches have proven that in the past. So far, it has not happened here, and we have a much younger and unproven team than last year. But, I have to be hopeful we will see improvement.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 12, 2020 17:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 13, 2020 7:04:37 GMT -5
Good to see Blair putting it on the floor and shooting off the bounce- we need that.
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