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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 3, 2020 21:08:28 GMT -5
I’m guessing no Kenner League this summer. 🦠🏀😷🦠
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Post by tupac on Apr 3, 2020 21:48:21 GMT -5
If you scan the other Big East teams and see what players they lost and what we lost why wouldn’t you believe this upcoming season wouldn’t be better .. The players that finished the season paired with the freshman and grad transfers in my opinion is no worse than what we already had but now we will have a complete roster ... No more Myles Powell , Markus Howard, Kamar Baldwin, Mustapha Heron etc etc ... We will be fine
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 3, 2020 21:52:55 GMT -5
I don’t believe we have the pieces to be in the top half of the league. I just hope we don’t end up in the cellar again. This is altogether frustrating because it shows a lack of preparation. Ewing and staff knew since at least November, maybe before, that they had holes to fill and needed to go big on recruiting in 20-21 and it's now scouring the college version of the waiver wire for pickups. Without Mac, Ewing will have lost four starters from the beginning of 19-20 for a team that finished 5-13 and may be 9th or 10th in the pre-season Big East pre-season poll. Instead of working with WCAC coaches to find a local kid who was worth investing in (Gonzaga's Chuck Harris comes to mind), it's seen as chasing after recruits. Chuck Harris told the Post this week why he signed with Butler. "I just felt a welcoming environment,” he said. “The coaches wanted me to be there. They prioritized me.” What did he feel about Georgetown? Chuck Harris committed to Butler on May 15, 2019...
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 3, 2020 21:58:23 GMT -5
Chuck Harris committed to Butler on May 15, 2019... Same question. Why is Georgetown not more successful with local kids?
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Post by prhoya on Apr 3, 2020 22:03:50 GMT -5
I don’t believe we have the pieces to be in the top half of the league. I just hope we don’t end up in the cellar again. This is altogether frustrating because it shows a lack of preparation. Ewing and staff knew since at least November, maybe before, that they had holes to fill and needed to go big on recruiting in 20-21 and it's now scouring the college version of the waiver wire for pickups. Without Mac, Ewing will have lost four starters from the beginning of 19-20 for a team that finished 5-13 and may be 9th or 10th in the pre-season Big East pre-season poll. Instead of working with WCAC coaches to find a local kid who was worth investing in (Gonzaga's Chuck Harris comes to mind), it's seen as chasing after recruits. Chuck Harris told the Post this week why he signed with Butler. "I just felt a welcoming environment,” he said. “The coaches wanted me to be there. They prioritized me.” What did he feel about Georgetown?Enquiring minds want to know.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 3, 2020 23:53:05 GMT -5
Chuck Harris committed to Butler on May 15, 2019... Same question. Why is Georgetown not more successful with local kids? I wish I knew why they aren't more successful with local kids! I was just clarifying that Chuck Harris was a completely irrelevant example for the point you were trying to make. To your assertions earlier in the post, by the time the transfers happened in December, it was too late to make much of a dent in the 2020 class locally. Terrance Williams, Earl Timberlake, Cam Thomas, Henry Coleman, Corey Walker, Joe Bamisile, Woody Newton, Jeremy Roach, Hunter Dickinson, Justin Lewis, Myles Stute, KD Johnson, Darius Maddox, and Chuck Harris were no longer options at that point. I'm not sure what you expected them to do locally for the class of 2020 after the transfers happened in December. So the coaching staff went to City of Palms and identified Tyler Beard and Kobe Clark. They reached out to Kerwin Walton who was still open to new schools. They went to NPSI and started a relationship with 2021 Frankie Collins. They furthered relationships with other 2021 recruits like Ryan Mutombo. And now they're looking into the 500+ players in the transfer portal. Considering the situation they were in, they've done a decent job in taking steps to rebuild the roster. You might not like the transfer culture in college basketball right now (I'm assuming your comment about the transfer market being a waiver wire is negative), but would you rather the Hoyas ignore it and get left behind? I could make an argument that Coach Ewing has done better with transfers than he has with high school recruits over the past 3 years.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2020 9:16:03 GMT -5
I don’t believe we have the pieces to be in the top half of the league. I just hope we don’t end up in the cellar again. This is altogether frustrating because it shows a lack of preparation. Ewing and staff knew since at least November, maybe before, that they had holes to fill and needed to go big on recruiting in 20-21 and it's now scouring the college version of the waiver wire for pickups. Without Mac, Ewing will have lost four starters from the beginning of 19-20 for a team that finished 5-13 and may be 9th or 10th in the pre-season Big East pre-season poll. Instead of working with WCAC coaches to find a local kid who was worth investing in (Gonzaga's Chuck Harris comes to mind), it's seen as chasing after recruits. Chuck Harris told the Post this week why he signed with Butler. "I just felt a welcoming environment,” he said. “The coaches wanted me to be there. They prioritized me.” What did he feel about Georgetown? This is deluded and not based on reality.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2020 9:17:42 GMT -5
Chuck Harris committed to Butler on May 15, 2019... Same question. Why is Georgetown not more successful with local kids? Do you really think Georgetown wanted the kid? Talent and fit are more important than where a kid comes from. Should we recruit every local kid just because they’re local, even if they want to move away for college?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 4, 2020 9:25:17 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 4, 2020 9:45:09 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids. UMD tourney success the past 6 yrs has been better than GU. Perhaps, also include the on-campus experience (Xfinity Center > McDonough).
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2020 10:18:38 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids. They are just like any other kids. Some want to move away from home and some want to stay home. The assumption that a kid would want to stay home is an odd one. Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case). School size, composition, etc are bigger factors for most kids.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 4, 2020 10:19:48 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids. UMD tourney success the past 6 yrs has been better than GU. Perhaps, also include the on-campus experience (Xfinity Center > McDonough). Also they are a big state school with a not-so-good football team. Basketball players on UMD's campus are rock stars. On ours... not so much, at least lately. Winning cures all though, including the campus support for the basketball team.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 4, 2020 11:18:15 GMT -5
It's really pretty simple for these high quality players who have traveled away from home often with AAU teams--they want to win more than anything else. They want to win now, not in 3 years. Georgetown is not currently the place you go if you want to be in the tournament every year. Georgetown is not even close right now. The coach--an icon to those of us who attended in the 1980s---is not that well-known by kids today and by all accounts is a proponent of tough love, something many of these kids have not seen before or had to adjust to. It's okay to be a harsh and demanding coach --if you win. When you stop winning that approach wears thin quickly.
Unless and until Ewing establishes himself and the program as consistent winners, the Hoyas are going to continue to struggle to recruit the high end players. The losing record and the chaos of the past year are not going to help. Hopefully, though what he did with a 5 man team in one of the toughest conferences in the nation will help.
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Post by cindad on Apr 4, 2020 12:57:37 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids. GU has a couple of problems: First GU is an Elite Private School. I'll use Notre Dame and Michigan (Public IVY) as an example. So its a sliding scale on talent/grades/behavior. Yes, GU had the likes of Victor Page, Iverson when Big John was around, but you didn't have social media around. You could basically lock a questionable player in their dorm/apt and basically make sure they don't commit a serious crime and all will be fine. Someone like Cam Newton, he stole a laptop at Florida and people still talk about it. I've lived in dorms in college and military young people do stuff like that. I know guys who are surgeons, tax lawyers, etc who engaged in gambling rings, drug dealing, eBay scams when they were 18-20 caught (usually received some sort of pre-trial action) and are in their late 30s and no one cares. Its just something they did. Because of the internet people still bring it up; it lives forever. Today, a player's behavior in the library, social media posts, are all subject to public view that can hurt the school's image. I'm not talking about accusations that LeBlanc had. I'm talking about some guy's just being jerks, or not pleasant to be around (Think a former Michian Receiver that wore #1, that was a known cancer in college and NFL lockerrooms). Point is I see this with Michigan Basketball or Notre Dame Football (not a fan just see what kids end up there locally). Boosters, Administrators they will put up with a top recruit with questionable grades. The prestige and payoff is too big. But so lets get real Michigan Basketball and GU are after the same players, until Juwan Howard, Howard is going after Top-50 guys like crazy now. When you get to that level you have a chance of a real star. But then also, you get guys who think rules don't apply to them too. When you get to 75-125 level. Some stuff isn't worth the headache. Below that its even less. The program is middling, and I would guess considering everything else at GU, the community doesn't want some"average" talent players disturbing the culture of the school too much. Hence why when I see ND, Michigan pickup that 3-star recruit locally, they are from a private school, or well regarded public school. There is no word of Clearinghouse Issues. No rumors of bad behavior. One guy at our barbershop cousin got picked up by Northwestern Football super late his senior year about a decade ago. He was 5th team All-State but held mainly MAC offers and had walk-on at Michigan. Well NU came with a offer. Turned out his cousin had scored 31 on his ACT. Which I consider pretty high esp for a high-level athlete. 2nd issue GU has probably is Ewing. He spent 12 years in the NBA as an assistant. All the players inside the top-100 think they have a real shot at the NBA. Statistically speaking they do. Ewing is credited with Dwight Howard's development. When you consider the player Howard became is that a ringing endorsement? Esp when you consider what Ewing's skill set was and you see Howard's. IDK if coaches locally or families will be convinced their players will get the most out of their careers. Jordan Morgan played at Michigan and stuidied Electrical Engineering he was basically ranked in the 300 range, he developed. In today's landscape coaches/programs have to pick one or the other. You have to say "Look you are getting a chance to go to an elite school, we will allow full availbility of that, and will only recruit players who will do so". On a Basketball Team that can be 8-12 of 14 players. Typically, you are only going to get 'local' players to buy into, the concept of being a member of the community and sticking around no matter how basketball shakes out.. Families/Recruits will see that. Going to an elite school and earning a General Studies or Kinesiology guys know now they are getting the short-end of the stick. Then you fill it with 2-3 ringers strictly there to play ball and you aim high on those players. But those high level players a targeted as a larger part of your program. Option 2 you go full-on Bob Huggins, Roy Williams, or Calipari you let these guys know they are there to play ball and thats all that matters. Who cares if they steal, can't read, or worse. I would hope GU isn't doing that. It would damage their reputation greatly academically and marketing wise. I know one guy who is a "street agent" pretty well here locally. He has his hooks in all the local talent. But he comes from an education background, so he assess each of his kids based on what perceives their ability in making it Pro. He really pushes guys he doesn't believe are Pros (local or even long-term overseas) to places where they can actually get an education. Guys who are Pros he trys to get them into places where they can make that happen because of availbile playing time or development capabilities. Ewing doesn't know who he wants to be. Going across country to get Leblanc, Carter, and Akjino for not even top-tier talent was a bad move. Ewing was thinking about opening a pipeline to places with talent in the Bay Area, The Deep South, DFW. He felt him being Patrick Ewing and its GU he could land these mid-tier recruits and then just have a pipeline. Its easy for guys to leave esp places where its warm all year from DC or things aren't going their way. Those resources could have been spent pounding the pavement in the DMV, Hampton Roads, RDU, Philly, North Jersey. Going across country means you are getting talent I mean super talent meaning they are Top-50 and they walk in as the best player on the team as Frosh at this point for GU. I'll use Michigan as a reference John Beilein built Michigan up by drawing a 6-hour drive radius around AA, and deciding he was going to find every mid-tier player who was B10 player. He went outside there for Hardaway Jr. (Tim Sr. is a Chicago legend though so that was an easy sell). Everytime he went outside that raduis for a player the second they had a hint of success DJ Wilson, Darius Morris) they left for the NBA or didn't have a cleared deck to playing time (Aubrey Dawkins, Evan Smortcisz) they left for schools closer to home. Ewing has a much deeper talent pool being in the I-95 corridor. Basically Ewing has overvalued the Georgetown/personal brand, and discounted the realities of today's landscape. He is going across country to get players who leave, or don't make an impact. Someone like Pickett can be maddening to fans; but at anypoint did you think he would leave, or sit on the bench and pout because he didn't get his way. I never saw that he just is an up/down player. He doesn't appear to be a malcontent. While Akinjo and Blair appear to be. Local players to their schools hesitate to act like that. I promise you will be able to easily go back to Pickett's neighborhood/school and get another player within the decade, because everyone saw how he did on the floor AND off. We had this at Michigan in Brian Ellerbe he refused to recruit locally, only brought in people from outside Great Lakes Region mainly, again tons of transfers all the time. I was playing in a game in HS where there was 4 - 1st or 2nd team All-State on the floor and 13 D-1 recruits (me not being any, but I was playing lol). Izzo, Perry Watson, and Greg Kampe and numerous other Northern Ohio/Indiana schools all showed up. Ellerbe had such a poor relationship with locals schools, he couldn't get in because the game was sold out. My Dad ran into him hanging out near the lockerroom trying to find a player's parent just before gametime. He was fired about a year later. Does Ewing really have the commitment to harness his backyard? I know its cliche and simplistic. But even Nick Saban when he went to LSU and to Bama made controlling hoarding talent in Lousiana and Alabama his priority the first 2-3 years. Same as what Bennet did at UVA he built up his roster with local guys. Then he hit on Guy, Cark, Jerome who were guys outside the immediate area. I could argue Indy and Westchester County are not worlds away from UVA though culturally. If I was GU I would be on every kids door step at a Private School between Scranton and Richmond's door step that isn't being chased by Duke, UNC, Kentuckys of the world or recruiting upper-middle class suburbs of the I-95 corridor for players. Convince them the prestige and access to the GU network is a better bet than a professional basketball career. Players 50-200 in their class. By them being local, they will get that, and if the Basketball side doesn't work out, you can good mouthpieces who say how much they love Ewing/GU and local HS coaches really steer those 2nd tier guys to you and local 1st tiers give you a hard look, because everyone wants to be "The Man" in front of the home crowd.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 4, 2020 13:39:16 GMT -5
Do the kids really want to get away or are they not interested in playing at GU? Maryland seems to do better with local kids. They are just like any other kids. Some want to move away from home and some want to stay home. The assumption that a kid would want to stay home is an odd one. Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case). School size, composition, etc are bigger factors for most kids. You can't say recruiting prowess isn't the case whatsoever. It clearly plays a role. There are many reason kids go to schools, you are definitely right about that. But when Maryland is consistently pulling better recruits, it's not a coincidence. The last class I'd say the Hoyas ended up better with was 2015, because we recruited three guys (Derrickson, Govan, Johnson) who played here for longer and had more of an impact than their two (Stone, Brantley). Their average rating according to 247 has been higher than ours for every season since 2013. Turgeon is an excellent recruiter. He just doesn't develop a lot of his talent. Guys like Melo Trimble and Anthony Cowan never seemed to get better at UMD. But, he's consistently pulling better recruits. He's a better recruiter. That's not even a gripe at Ewing, that's a compliment to Turgeon. He's an elite recruiter. It's how he still has his job. He's selling what he's doing very well to the kids he's getting. He's getting very good talent, because of what he's selling. And if he gets Bruner to transfer from Yale, or Aiken to transfer from Harvard, he's going to beat us in 2020, again. And even lumping in Yurtseven to the class of 2018, his class still beats ours. Jalen Smith, Aaron Wiggins, and Eric Ayala have been better for their programs than our class that year (Mac, James, Josh) was. I can see the other side, but Smith was the main reason as to why Maryland was winning this season and they were a tournament team with those guys being two of the top three and three of the top five scorers on their team (Morsell scored one more point than Ayala this season).
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 4, 2020 14:26:16 GMT -5
In brief from what I'm observing is that you have a some people who feel Coach Ewing is casting a too wide of a net to recruit players, and not focusing on the local kids. Then another group of people feel as if the recruiting net should be more locally or within a smaller radius. Yet the locals are not wanting to stay in the locale to play ball in D.C.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2020 14:36:49 GMT -5
They are just like any other kids. Some want to move away from home and some want to stay home. The assumption that a kid would want to stay home is an odd one. Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case). School size, composition, etc are bigger factors for most kids. You can't say recruiting prowess isn't the case whatsoever. It clearly plays a role. There are many reason kids go to schools, you are definitely right about that. But when Maryland is consistently pulling better recruits, it's not a coincidence. The last class I'd say the Hoyas ended up better with was 2015, because we recruited three guys (Derrickson, Govan, Johnson) who played here for longer and had more of an impact than their two (Stone, Brantley). Their average rating according to 247 has been higher than ours for every season since 2013. Turgeon is an excellent recruiter. He just doesn't develop a lot of his talent. Guys like Melo Trimble and Anthony Cowan never seemed to get better at UMD. But, he's consistently pulling better recruits. He's a better recruiter. That's not even a gripe at Ewing, that's a compliment to Turgeon. He's an elite recruiter. It's how he still has his job. He's selling what he's doing very well to the kids he's getting. He's getting very good talent, because of what he's selling. And if he gets Bruner to transfer from Yale, or Aiken to transfer from Harvard, he's going to beat us in 2020, again. And even lumping in Yurtseven to the class of 2018, his class still beats ours. Jalen Smith, Aaron Wiggins, and Eric Ayala have been better for their programs than our class that year (Mac, James, Josh) was. I can see the other side, but Smith was the main reason as to why Maryland was winning this season and they were a tournament team with those guys being two of the top three and three of the top five scorers on their team (Morsell scored one more point than Ayala this season). Nobody ever claimed that it isn’t a factor whatsoever and nobody every said it’s a coincidence. There are reasons. Most of these recruits aren’t choosing schools based on which staff talked a better game. In fact, their favorite childhood teams probably have more of an impact.... You can lead a horse to water, but it’s not within the capability of any staff to make them drink (without bags). That’s true for any program. No amount of slick talking is going to mask the all the deficiencies. In fact, if the recruit can be completely swayed by a few good lines and projections of grandeur I likely don’t want that player on my team anyway. I want players who care about and want to contribute to strengthening the program. Giving good game isn’t usually the basis of a solid relationship.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 4, 2020 14:47:24 GMT -5
You can't say recruiting prowess isn't the case whatsoever. It clearly plays a role. There are many reason kids go to schools, you are definitely right about that. But when Maryland is consistently pulling better recruits, it's not a coincidence. The last class I'd say the Hoyas ended up better with was 2015, because we recruited three guys (Derrickson, Govan, Johnson) who played here for longer and had more of an impact than their two (Stone, Brantley). Their average rating according to 247 has been higher than ours for every season since 2013. Turgeon is an excellent recruiter. He just doesn't develop a lot of his talent. Guys like Melo Trimble and Anthony Cowan never seemed to get better at UMD. But, he's consistently pulling better recruits. He's a better recruiter. That's not even a gripe at Ewing, that's a compliment to Turgeon. He's an elite recruiter. It's how he still has his job. He's selling what he's doing very well to the kids he's getting. He's getting very good talent, because of what he's selling. And if he gets Bruner to transfer from Yale, or Aiken to transfer from Harvard, he's going to beat us in 2020, again. And even lumping in Yurtseven to the class of 2018, his class still beats ours. Jalen Smith, Aaron Wiggins, and Eric Ayala have been better for their programs than our class that year (Mac, James, Josh) was. I can see the other side, but Smith was the main reason as to why Maryland was winning this season and they were a tournament team with those guys being two of the top three and three of the top five scorers on their team (Morsell scored one more point than Ayala this season). Nobody ever claimed that it isn’t a factor whatsoever and nobody every said it’s a coincidence. There are reasons. Most of these recruits aren’t choosing schools based on which staff talked a better game. In fact, their favorite childhood teams probably have more of an impact.... You can lead a horse to water, but it’s not within the capability of any staff to make them drink (without bags). That’s true for any program. No amount of slick talking is going to mask the all the deficiencies. In fact, if the recruit can be completely swayed by a few good lines and projections of grandeur I likely don’t want that player on my team anyway. I want players who care about and want to contribute to strengthening the program. Giving good game isn’t usually the basis of a solid relationship. I think I must've misunderstood this quote from your post then, "Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case)." What do you mean by this? Because to me it sounds like you are saying recruiting prowess is not the reason UMD and Georgetown are in completely different spots with recruiting and securing local recruits. Also, I don't think it's just a few lines once. I think he pitches his program, the kids think about it and look back at his success at the university (looking at winning and how many kids made it to the pros) and realize, I could be one of those. While yes, being able to talk about your program isn't the entire part of recruiting, my impression has been that's what has made Turgeon a successful recruiter. I could be wrong, and he could be very good at building relationships, but he's clearly doing something right. Also, these guys are wanting to contribute to his program as they sign on and want to win. Jalen Smith, Anthony Cowan and Melo Trimble were great players from the DMV who led Maryland to a very great position.
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Post by rockhoya on Apr 4, 2020 14:49:56 GMT -5
Nobody ever claimed that it isn’t a factor whatsoever and nobody every said it’s a coincidence. There are reasons. Most of these recruits aren’t choosing schools based on which staff talked a better game. In fact, their favorite childhood teams probably have more of an impact.... You can lead a horse to water, but it’s not within the capability of any staff to make them drink (without bags). That’s true for any program. No amount of slick talking is going to mask the all the deficiencies. In fact, if the recruit can be completely swayed by a few good lines and projections of grandeur I likely don’t want that player on my team anyway. I want players who care about and want to contribute to strengthening the program. Giving good game isn’t usually the basis of a solid relationship. I think I must've misunderstood this quote from your post then, "Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case)." What do you mean by this? Because to me it sounds like you are saying recruiting prowess is not the reason UMD and Georgetown are in completely different spots with recruiting and securing local recruits. Also, I don;t think it's just a few lines once. I think he pitches his program, the kids think about it and look back at his success at the university (looking at winning and how many kids made it to the pros) and realize, I could be one of those. While yes, being able to talk about your program isn't the entire part of recruiting, my impression has been that's what has made Turgeon a successful recruiter. I could be wrong, and he could be very good at building relationships, but he's clearly doing something right. Also, these guys are wanting to contribute to his program as they sign on and want to win. I don't think you could say Smith, Cowan and Trimble didn't want to win. They were great players from the DMV who led Maryland to a very great position. The response was to the implication that it is the sole, even a primary, reason for the discrepancy. I think there are a handful or two of factors that are more impactful before we even get to recruiting pitch. The way I see it, the recruiting pitches that carry the most influence are pretty proportional to how many minutes a coach guarantees to that player before they step on campus. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just think that when you compare UMD and GU you have to dig a little deeper. The schools are pretty different and have different makeups. I’d imagine the student experience is pretty different too. I don’t know, I just also wanted to point out that some of these kids have their top 5s and top 10s set before they even enter high school sometimes. The battle begins wayyyyyyy before the staffs come into play. Just wanted to highlight the fact that where these kids actually want to live and breathe and go to school isn’t always going to be dependent on basketball alone or their interactions with a certain staff.
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Post by mdtd on Apr 4, 2020 14:52:25 GMT -5
I think I must've misunderstood this quote from your post then, "Not that it’s a comparison between GU and Maryland, but I don’t think recruiting prowess is the reason for the discrepancy. (I’m being diplomatic, cause it’s definitely not the case)." What do you mean by this? Because to me it sounds like you are saying recruiting prowess is not the reason UMD and Georgetown are in completely different spots with recruiting and securing local recruits. Also, I don;t think it's just a few lines once. I think he pitches his program, the kids think about it and look back at his success at the university (looking at winning and how many kids made it to the pros) and realize, I could be one of those. While yes, being able to talk about your program isn't the entire part of recruiting, my impression has been that's what has made Turgeon a successful recruiter. I could be wrong, and he could be very good at building relationships, but he's clearly doing something right. Also, these guys are wanting to contribute to his program as they sign on and want to win. I don't think you could say Smith, Cowan and Trimble didn't want to win. They were great players from the DMV who led Maryland to a very great position. The response was to the implication that it is the sole, even a primary, reason for the discrepancy. I think there are a handful or two of factors that are more impactful before we even get to recruiting pitch. The way I see it, the recruiting pitches that carry the most influence are pretty proportional to how many minutes a coach guarantees to that player before they step on campus. Understood. That makes sense. I can get behind that. I think it depends on the player. Though, I do think it's a primary in almost every player, but that would just be arguing semantics.
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