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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 9, 2018 21:25:55 GMT -5
28 minutes tonight to 17 for Pickett - 9 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 steal. Was the player Ewing wanted to get the ball to in inbounds situations down the stretch, I'm impressed by his demeanor.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 9, 2018 22:58:42 GMT -5
I think tonight is the counterpoint -- the reason why you move minutes from potential to production (such as it is).
We very possibly don't win this game if Pickett gets Mostly or Blair's minutes; especially Mosely's despite the turnovers. And if these minutes had been moved earlier in the year, we very possibly (likely?) would have beaten Cuse and Butler. That's a three game swing, and it likely won't be the last.
I'm not advocating for benching Pickett completely, but if this is the difference between 4-14 and 8-10 in the Big East, I think that is HUGE for the program perception, recruiting, etc. So that's my main point.
My other counterpoint is this: I understand why people think Pickett has much more potential than Mosely and Blair. In terms of NBA potential, I agree, though all feel very, very far from that. And he's taller, more athletic, has a very pretty stroke that should come around at some point. I see the potential.
But what really is Pickett's ceiling? Maybe a better shooting Brandon Bowman? Hollis? Do people see Hollis?
I cannot see him ever being a reliable perimeter creator. Sure, he might develop a sweet throw dribble or take a rotated pass down the baseline a la Summers (without stepping on it), but he's not going to run a PnR or isolate, right? That's be an improvement of epic proportions. So what we're looking at is a top upside of a great 3 and D guy who can finish on the break and can punish a hard closeout.
I think that's a valuable player, but never a star, and always a complementary player. I don't mean that as an insult; I merely mean that he isn't ever likely to be an offensive initiator. I suppose there's some world where he becomes a Klay Thompson or JJ Reddick type, so perhaps I am underestimating him.
On defense, he doesn't seem like he has that defensive dog in him, so I suspect while he can use his size, we're not going to be seeing him as a lock down guy.
Thoughts? Am I underrating the guy? I feel like Hollis is what we are hoping for.
If that's true, sure, he has a higher physical peak than the other guys, but I still think Blair could just become a crafty as heck, efficient, 16 PPG who resembles DSR more than anyone would guess. Still needs a partner who can create more than them to be effective, but I think that Blair's college peak is closer to Pickett than some might think.
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Post by Eurostar on Jan 9, 2018 23:32:28 GMT -5
To me its fairly simple. I think all of these guys ie Pickett, Blair, Mosley, Walker should get 5-7 minutes per game each guaranteed. Additional minutes go to those who are playing best ie good defense, lack of turnovers, creating and scoring on offense. To me it doesn't matter about future potential or how pretty your shot is or how long your arms are. Are you hustling and contributing to the team now? Are you improving your game consistently and your skill set?
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 9, 2018 23:40:16 GMT -5
I don’t think you can put Mosley in that group. To me he is a cut above the rest in terms of what he brings to the table on both sides of the ball. In the end, we want him on the court more than 5 to 7 minutes.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 9, 2018 23:42:05 GMT -5
I think tonight is the counterpoint -- the reason why you move minutes from potential to production (such as it is). We very possibly don't win this game if Pickett gets Mostly or Blair's minutes; especially Mosely's despite the turnovers. And if these minutes had been moved earlier in the year, we very possibly (likely?) would have beaten Cuse and Butler. That's a three game swing, and it likely won't be the last. I'm not advocating for benching Pickett completely, but if this is the difference between 4-14 and 8-10 in the Big East, I think that is HUGE for the program perception, recruiting, etc. So that's my main point. My other counterpoint is this: I understand why people think Pickett has much more potential than Mosely and Blair. In terms of NBA potential, I agree, though all feel very, very far from that. And he's taller, more athletic, has a very pretty stroke that should come around at some point. I see the potential. But what really is Pickett's ceiling? Maybe a better shooting Brandon Bowman? Hollis? Do people see Hollis? I cannot see him ever being a reliable perimeter creator. Sure, he might develop a sweet throw dribble or take a rotated pass down the baseline a la Summers (without stepping on it), but he's not going to run a PnR or isolate, right? That's be an improvement of epic proportions. So what we're looking at is a top upside of a great 3 and D guy who can finish on the break and can punish a hard closeout. I think that's a valuable player, but never a star, and always a complementary player. I don't mean that as an insult; I merely mean that he isn't ever likely to be an offensive initiator. I suppose there's some world where he becomes a Klay Thompson or JJ Reddick type, so perhaps I am underestimating him. On defense, he doesn't seem like he has that defensive dog in him, so I suspect while he can use his size, we're not going to be seeing him as a lock down guy. Thoughts? Am I underrating the guy? I feel like Hollis is what we are hoping for. If that's true, sure, he has a higher physical peak than the other guys, but I still think Blair could just become a crafty as heck, efficient, 16 PPG who resembles DSR more than anyone would guess. Still needs a partner who can create more than them to be effective, but I think that Blair's college peak is closer to Pickett than some might think. I think it's a better shooting Bowman. By the way, that's a very good player!
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 10, 2018 2:12:10 GMT -5
SF, yes, I believe you underestimate him. In the ebb and flow of the season, time will tell the story. Jahvon's game is a little choppy too. But it works.
Jamorko is not Hollis, he could be a Giannis. Dont laugh.
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2018 6:24:15 GMT -5
Blair i never see as an efficent player as SF describes him. He is a chucker like DSR who if hot is great but can easily shoot you out of a game and his inability to dribble under pressure is key.
To me, he is the perfect 6th man on a good team. If he is hot play him 25-30 minutes if not give him 5 each half to see if he can get it going. Like DSR was to that Otto team.
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2018 6:27:00 GMT -5
Also Pickett is like DeMarr Johnson. Gotta get used to his body.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 10, 2018 8:31:23 GMT -5
Blair i never see as an efficent player as SF describes him. He is a chucker like DSR who if hot is great but can easily shoot you out of a game and his inability to dribble under pressure is key. To me, he is the perfect 6th man on a good team. If he is hot play him 25-30 minutes if not give him 5 each half to see if he can get it going. Like DSR was to that Otto team. I really like Blair's aggressiveness and confidence. He is not a very efficient offensive player at this point, but he does find a way to score points pretty much every game. I feel that with more experience and development his efficiency will improve. He might always be a high volume shooter but that is not always a bad thing. The Hoyas have struggled in the last few years with not having enough guys who had the confidence to take shots, especially at tight moments of the game. That is not an issue for Blair, he wants the ball and is always willing to let it fly!!! Keep his aggressiveness and confidence and hopefully improve his percentages over the next few years and he will be a really important piece of the puzzle.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2018 9:05:48 GMT -5
Blair i never see as an efficent player as SF describes him. He is a chucker like DSR who if hot is great but can easily shoot you out of a game and his inability to dribble under pressure is key. To me, he is the perfect 6th man on a good team. If he is hot play him 25-30 minutes if not give him 5 each half to see if he can get it going. Like DSR was to that Otto team. I think you're wrong Dense, Blair has a lot of college upside in him.. He needs to get stronger, that alone will improve his drive game..
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 10, 2018 9:08:38 GMT -5
SF I could not agree more. Blair deserves the minutes right now and will give us more wins.
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Post by richfame on Jan 10, 2018 9:37:32 GMT -5
I think tonight is the counterpoint -- the reason why you move minutes from potential to production (such as it is). We very possibly don't win this game if Pickett gets Mostly or Blair's minutes; especially Mosely's despite the turnovers. And if these minutes had been moved earlier in the year, we very possibly (likely?) would have beaten Cuse and Butler. That's a three game swing, and it likely won't be the last. I'm not advocating for benching Pickett completely, but if this is the difference between 4-14 and 8-10 in the Big East, I think that is HUGE for the program perception, recruiting, etc. So that's my main point. My other counterpoint is this: I understand why people think Pickett has much more potential than Mosely and Blair. In terms of NBA potential, I agree, though all feel very, very far from that. And he's taller, more athletic, has a very pretty stroke that should come around at some point. I see the potential. But what really is Pickett's ceiling? Maybe a better shooting Brandon Bowman? Hollis? Do people see Hollis? I cannot see him ever being a reliable perimeter creator. Sure, he might develop a sweet throw dribble or take a rotated pass down the baseline a la Summers (without stepping on it), but he's not going to run a PnR or isolate, right? That's be an improvement of epic proportions. So what we're looking at is a top upside of a great 3 and D guy who can finish on the break and can punish a hard closeout. I think that's a valuable player, but never a star, and always a complementary player. I don't mean that as an insult; I merely mean that he isn't ever likely to be an offensive initiator. I suppose there's some world where he becomes a Klay Thompson or JJ Reddick type, so perhaps I am underestimating him. On defense, he doesn't seem like he has that defensive dog in him, so I suspect while he can use his size, we're not going to be seeing him as a lock down guy. Thoughts? Am I underrating the guy? I feel like Hollis is what we are hoping for. If that's true, sure, he has a higher physical peak than the other guys, but I still think Blair could just become a crafty as heck, efficient, 16 PPG who resembles DSR more than anyone would guess. Still needs a partner who can create more than them to be effective, but I think that Blair's college peak is closer to Pickett than some might think. I personally didn't think Hollis was that amazing. I felt he had all the tools in the world but floated through games. As for JP. We will see. As you said we see the potential and he's a freshman. It really can take a solid year adjusting to college and a new system. Don't forget he can't even get the cliffs notes from upper class men. This is new to everyone. I'm excited about his potential. Let's give Ewing 3- 4 years to bring in his guys and his culture then see where we are.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 10, 2018 9:37:54 GMT -5
I think tonight is the counterpoint -- the reason why you move minutes from potential to production (such as it is). We very possibly don't win this game if Pickett gets Mostly or Blair's minutes; especially Mosely's despite the turnovers. And if these minutes had been moved earlier in the year, we very possibly (likely?) would have beaten Cuse and Butler. That's a three game swing, and it likely won't be the last. I'm not advocating for benching Pickett completely, but if this is the difference between 4-14 and 8-10 in the Big East, I think that is HUGE for the program perception, recruiting, etc. So that's my main point. My other counterpoint is this: I understand why people think Pickett has much more potential than Mosely and Blair. In terms of NBA potential, I agree, though all feel very, very far from that. And he's taller, more athletic, has a very pretty stroke that should come around at some point. I see the potential. But what really is Pickett's ceiling? Maybe a better shooting Brandon Bowman? Hollis? Do people see Hollis? I cannot see him ever being a reliable perimeter creator. Sure, he might develop a sweet throw dribble or take a rotated pass down the baseline a la Summers (without stepping on it), but he's not going to run a PnR or isolate, right? That's be an improvement of epic proportions. So what we're looking at is a top upside of a great 3 and D guy who can finish on the break and can punish a hard closeout. I think that's a valuable player, but never a star, and always a complementary player. I don't mean that as an insult; I merely mean that he isn't ever likely to be an offensive initiator. I suppose there's some world where he becomes a Klay Thompson or JJ Reddick type, so perhaps I am underestimating him. On defense, he doesn't seem like he has that defensive dog in him, so I suspect while he can use his size, we're not going to be seeing him as a lock down guy. Thoughts? Am I underrating the guy? I feel like Hollis is what we are hoping for. If that's true, sure, he has a higher physical peak than the other guys, but I still think Blair could just become a crafty as heck, efficient, 16 PPG who resembles DSR more than anyone would guess. Still needs a partner who can create more than them to be effective, but I think that Blair's college peak is closer to Pickett than some might think. I think you are underselling Pickett, who can be a star; but he has a long way to go. He needs a great offseason this year. I want to see him held accountable, but we need him on the floor a lot.
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2018 9:45:13 GMT -5
Blair i never see as an efficent player as SF describes him. He is a chucker like DSR who if hot is great but can easily shoot you out of a game and his inability to dribble under pressure is key. To me, he is the perfect 6th man on a good team. If he is hot play him 25-30 minutes if not give him 5 each half to see if he can get it going. Like DSR was to that Otto team. I really like Blair's aggressiveness and confidence. He is not a very efficient offensive player at this point, but he does find a way to score points pretty much every game. I feel that with more experience and development his efficiency will improve. He might always be a high volume shooter but that is not always a bad thing. The Hoyas have struggled in the last few years with not having enough guys who had the confidence to take shots, especially at tight moments of the game. That is not an issue for Blair, he wants the ball and is always willing to let it fly!!! Keep his aggressiveness and confidence and hopefully improve his percentages over the next few years and he will be a really important piece of the puzzle. I agree, thats what makes him suited for the offense off the bench role. Also that he can score at 3 levels
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Post by dense on Jan 10, 2018 9:47:12 GMT -5
Blair i never see as an efficent player as SF describes him. He is a chucker like DSR who if hot is great but can easily shoot you out of a game and his inability to dribble under pressure is key. To me, he is the perfect 6th man on a good team. If he is hot play him 25-30 minutes if not give him 5 each half to see if he can get it going. Like DSR was to that Otto team. I think you're wrong Dense, Blair has a lot of college upside in him.. He needs to get stronger, that alone will improve his drive game.. we will see but those shooting percentages currently say otherwise. His shot selection is horrendous at times which will keep it down but right now he is shooting 35% overall.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jan 10, 2018 9:53:28 GMT -5
I like what I see Ewing doing -- talking to each player when he comes out and telling him exactly what he needs to be doing differently, better, etc. BUT, I'm all for an even quicker trigger on Jamorko's playing time as long as he takes a seat next to the coach and is told that he will be yanked when he continues to fall short in things that he controls (effort -- on boards, etc., crisper passing, etc.). Then, put him back in quickly. I agree that his upside appears high, but you only get there if your game is refined. Jacking 3's, turning it over at a crazy rate and averaging just a few more offensive boards than the team statistician who doesn't play, just doesn't cut it. For Jamorko to rise -- and take the team with him -- Ewing and the staff have to coach him as if he has an all big east performer waiting to take his job.
As for Juggy, and this is his thread, I like his upside. He's a sneaky scorer for a team that has trouble scoring. He's impressed me as I wasn't expecting a whole lot. I think he has a great chance to contribute long term.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 10, 2018 10:03:51 GMT -5
I think you're wrong Dense, Blair has a lot of college upside in him.. He needs to get stronger, that alone will improve his drive game.. we will see but those shooting percentages currently say otherwise. His shot selection is horrendous at times which will keep it down but right now he is shooting 35% overall. One of the easiest things to correct is shot selection,maturity/experience usually takes care of that..
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 10, 2018 10:26:07 GMT -5
I'm not even going to dissect his game or potential long term.
One thing he does do is get buckets for a team that has trouble scoring from the guard spot. He can actually create his own shot and guess what: Isn't afraid to shoot. This program has to shake that gun shy mentality that has plagued them the previous few years. If your open shoot the ball. I'm sick of seeing wide open looks turned down.
He isn't afraid to fail. Other teams have killed us with crafty guards who aren't as talented as Blair. Glad we got a guard who can microwave every once in a while.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 11:27:55 GMT -5
Blair is shooting 29% in BE play, Marko 33%, but Blair's chucking is good and Morko's is bad doesn't really make sense.. Blair has played less minutes and gotten up more shots. I don't mind them shooting even though the percentages aren't what you want. Both have questionable shot selection that should improve over time hopefully and at least keep defenses honest allowing more space on the floor for our bigs to operate.
Think both have a role and will benefit greatly from a year in a HM strength and conditioning program and a full of season to work on their deficiencies. Push comes to shove I would steal minutes from the PG position so both get time to develop...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 10, 2018 11:31:36 GMT -5
I think it's a better shooting Bowman. By the way, that's a very good player! Yes, a very good player! I'm not trying to put down Pickett. Oh, my gosh, no. You are setting this kid up for failure with that kind of comp. The Alphabet was more athletic, with a better handle, significantly taller and longer and already starting in the NBA at Pickett's age. He's nowhere near Giannis at all, and this kind of comp isn't fair at all. Again, more athletic. Much more athletic. Also, a much, much better handle at this stage. He was a one and done -- Pickett isn't even on the NBA's radar.
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