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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 15, 2024 12:50:26 GMT -5
Maybe it wasn’t the smartest thing to tell the whole world we have a top 5 NIL budget? We coming’…rich as s**t. Going to win big, interviewed by Ian Eagle, etc., etc. Cooley seems to have a setting/managing expectations problem…maybe he could get away with this kind of stuff at Providence where nobody paid attention. lotta maybes here = conjecture Cooley is one big from being an attaboy I think so too. We can turn things around—or at least solidify things—for our squad. I am not giving up! And who knows, we may have a couple of surprises in the stable already.
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Post by hoyas315 on Jun 15, 2024 16:27:30 GMT -5
Max Allen from Marist maybe but he has multiple years left so not sure we are looking for more than a year. Looked like he could pass and is a big body. Started his career at San Jose State. Marist big man Max Allen II is still available in the transfer portal after earning a spot on the All-MAAC Second Team this past season. The 6-foot-9, 250-pound center averaged a team-best 11.4 points per game while adding 3.8 rebounds and 1.9 assists to his stat line. His 51.8 shooting percentage from the floor ranked ninth-highest in the conference. Allen began his college career at San Jose State in 2022-23, but played in just eight games before suffering a season-ending injury. 247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portals-10-best-available-prospects-after-coleman-hawkins-picks-kansas-state-232840963/He's listed as one of the 10 best remaining transfers out there...to be clear he is ranked by 247 as their #335 transfer portal overall, so that's the talent level left for big men....
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 16, 2024 13:00:00 GMT -5
I am sure the hook is still in the water and we will kick the tires for every international, decommit, and early entry candidate that we come across. Based on the last 60 days, I wouldn’t bet my life that we aren’t rolling with what we have.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 16, 2024 13:03:48 GMT -5
How did K-State end up with Baye Fall, Onyenso, Achor Achor, and Coleman Hawkins coming out of the transfer portal? Like wtf?
Could we try to poach one of those guys? There won’t be enough minutes to go around. Apparently, there was plenty of money. I didn’t realize K-State was rolling in NIL.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 7:58:28 GMT -5
"College basketball transfer portal's 10 best available prospects after Coleman Hawkins picks Kansas State Which top college basketball transfer portal prospects are still available?... 3. MATT BEWLEY, CHICAGO STATE Transfer portal ranking: 4-star | 91 rating | No. 28 PF | No. 185 overall Matt Bewley spent two seasons in the Overtime Elite developmental league before making a decision to pursue a college path. However, the NCAA denied him, as well as his twin brother Ryan Bewley, eligibility for "receiving money generated from their name, image and likeness while competing for Overtime Elite Academy." The Bewley twins committed to play for Chicago State, an independent Division I program, for the 2023-24 season, but never played a game after a judge denied a temporary restraining order against the NCAA. Matt led Overtime Elite in rebounding with 9.1 per game while adding 11.3 points per contest during his second regular season of action... 6. RYAN BEWLEY, CHICAGO STATE Transfer portal ranking: 4-star | 90 rating | No. 36 PF | No. 236 overall Ryan Bewley finds himself in the same situation as his twin brother Matt Bewley with an unknown future in college basketball. The duo spent two seasons in the Overtime Elite developmental league before making a decision to pursue a college path. But their eligibility remains uncertain after the NCAA initially denied their attempt to play at Chicago State during the 2023-24 season. The Bewley twins signed with the Cougars in August 2023 but never played. Ryan averaged 10.8 points and 7.7 rebounds per game during his second regular season in Overtime Elite." 247sports.com/college/transfer-portal/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portals-10-best-available-prospects-after-coleman-hawkins-picks-kansas-state-232840963/#2432831Kill two birds with one stone? We have the schollies available...
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Post by 78HOYA78 on Jun 17, 2024 8:10:49 GMT -5
Yes - sounds like two good choices. They seem to be very active with long wing spans and can run the floor.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Jun 17, 2024 8:18:36 GMT -5
Do we know if their eligible? I thought about them as well but couldn't figure out from what I read if they can play this season...
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 17, 2024 8:51:26 GMT -5
Do we know if their eligible? I thought about them as well but couldn't figure out from what I read if they can play this season... Sounds like they are stuck in legal limbo absent the NCAA caving instead of litigating. This article is from January 2024. Six months in civil litigation is not a long time. Maybe there's more recent developments which I'll try to find. www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/overtime-elite-alumni-bewley-twins-denied-injunction-against-ncaa-noah9This article demonstrates how irrational the "system" is as other OTE players have been granted eligibility based upon the semantics of what their $100k was paid for. The NCAA insists its application of eligibility rules is consistent with respect to all four players. The association highlights how in 2022, OTE changed its model to offer athletes what was termed a “scholarship option” in lieu of a “salary.” This change reflected OTE responding to the NCAA’s evolving attempts to authorize NIL while trying to distinguish it from pay-for-play. Faced with state NIL statutes set to go into effect on July 1, 2021, the NCAA acquiesced and adopted an interim NIL policy on June 30, 2021. The policy permitted college athletes to use a right they already had—the right of publicity—without running afoul of NCAA rules. www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/rob-dillingham-kentucky-bewley-brothers-1234771697/Here's the denial of the motion for a TRO and PI but I can't find any appeal in the 7th Circuit. For good reason: 28 USC § 1292(a): Under this section, appeals are permitted from the following types of orders: i. Orders granting, continuing, modifying, refusing or dissolving injunctions, or refusing to dissolve or modify injunctions; However, interlocutory appeals from orders denying temporary restraining orders are not permitted. law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2023cv15570/447619/33/
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Post by hoyaguy on Jun 17, 2024 15:44:21 GMT -5
Do we know if their eligible? I thought about them as well but couldn't figure out from what I read if they can play this season... Sounds like they are stuck in legal limbo absent the NCAA caving instead of litigating. This article is from January 2024. Six months in civil litigation is not a long time. Maybe there's more recent developments which I'll try to find. www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/overtime-elite-alumni-bewley-twins-denied-injunction-against-ncaa-noah9This article demonstrates how irrational the "system" is as other OTE players have been granted eligibility based upon the semantics of what their $100k was paid for. The NCAA insists its application of eligibility rules is consistent with respect to all four players. The association highlights how in 2022, OTE changed its model to offer athletes what was termed a “scholarship option” in lieu of a “salary.” This change reflected OTE responding to the NCAA’s evolving attempts to authorize NIL while trying to distinguish it from pay-for-play. Faced with state NIL statutes set to go into effect on July 1, 2021, the NCAA acquiesced and adopted an interim NIL policy on June 30, 2021. The policy permitted college athletes to use a right they already had—the right of publicity—without running afoul of NCAA rules. www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/rob-dillingham-kentucky-bewley-brothers-1234771697/Here's the denial of the motion for a TRO and PI but I can't find any appeal in the 7th Circuit. For good reason: 28 USC § 1292(a): Under this section, appeals are permitted from the following types of orders: i. Orders granting, continuing, modifying, refusing or dissolving injunctions, or refusing to dissolve or modify injunctions; However, interlocutory appeals from orders denying temporary restraining orders are not permitted. law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2023cv15570/447619/33/The NCAA is such an embarrassment of an organization. They just settle and cave for other stuff on top of not building any kind of coherent plan if the original NIL case didn’t go there way and now just seem to play random wack a mole with lawsuits and “statements” that hold no water. We should absolutely go after the brothers if there is a road to getting them eligible, if only we had someone connected to the NCAA lol.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 17, 2024 17:54:39 GMT -5
Sounds like they are stuck in legal limbo absent the NCAA caving instead of litigating. This article is from January 2024. Six months in civil litigation is not a long time. Maybe there's more recent developments which I'll try to find. www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/news/overtime-elite-alumni-bewley-twins-denied-injunction-against-ncaa-noah9This article demonstrates how irrational the "system" is as other OTE players have been granted eligibility based upon the semantics of what their $100k was paid for. The NCAA insists its application of eligibility rules is consistent with respect to all four players. The association highlights how in 2022, OTE changed its model to offer athletes what was termed a “scholarship option” in lieu of a “salary.” This change reflected OTE responding to the NCAA’s evolving attempts to authorize NIL while trying to distinguish it from pay-for-play. Faced with state NIL statutes set to go into effect on July 1, 2021, the NCAA acquiesced and adopted an interim NIL policy on June 30, 2021. The policy permitted college athletes to use a right they already had—the right of publicity—without running afoul of NCAA rules. www.sportico.com/law/analysis/2024/rob-dillingham-kentucky-bewley-brothers-1234771697/Here's the denial of the motion for a TRO and PI but I can't find any appeal in the 7th Circuit. For good reason: 28 USC § 1292(a): Under this section, appeals are permitted from the following types of orders: i. Orders granting, continuing, modifying, refusing or dissolving injunctions, or refusing to dissolve or modify injunctions; However, interlocutory appeals from orders denying temporary restraining orders are not permitted. law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2023cv15570/447619/33/The NCAA is such an embarrassment of an organization. They just settle and cave for other stuff on top of not building any kind of coherent plan if the original NIL case didn’t go there way and now just seem to play random wack a mole with lawsuits and “statements” that hold no water. We should absolutely go after the brothers if there is a road to getting them eligible, if only we had someone connected to the NCAA lol. This. I guess I'm not the only one who thinks that under the existing circumstances, enforcing the penalty against these twin brothers is preposterous. The NCAA couldn't be a bigger farce if they tried.
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Post by hoyaboya on Jun 17, 2024 19:36:27 GMT -5
Worth a shot?
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Jun 17, 2024 20:33:25 GMT -5
If he's looking for a number and Nova couldn't match it, I highly doubt we can.
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Post by jwp91 on Jun 17, 2024 20:40:59 GMT -5
Good news. Villanova was starting to look stout with Dixon and Kaluma.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 21:18:57 GMT -5
If he's looking for a number and Nova couldn't match it, I highly doubt we can. Even though we have pursued top players, we haven’t signed any player of great value and allegedly we have a big Top 5 bag. Nova must have used a ton for Dixon to come back. We should have more than Nova.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 17, 2024 22:27:18 GMT -5
Even though we have pursued top players, we haven’t signed any player of great value and allegedly we have a big Top 5 bag. As a fan base, we've got to stop repeating this as if it's gospel. Absent a verified source, this is not the case.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 17, 2024 22:35:37 GMT -5
Even though we have pursued top players, we haven’t signed any player of great value and allegedly we have a big Top 5 bag. As a fan base, we've got to stop repeating this as if it's gospel. Absent a verified source, this is not the case. That’s why I used “allegedly”. I’m curious. What’s a “verified source” for you?
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Post by practice on Jun 18, 2024 6:47:06 GMT -5
As a fan base, we've got to stop repeating this as if it's gospel. Absent a verified source, this is not the case. That’s why I used “allegedly”. I’m curious. What’s a “verified source” for you? DFW wants to see the account statements! This is all funny money. 90% of the deals are not verified and no one seems to have any idea how much -- or how little -- schools have to spend on NIL. I'd like to think that Coach Cooley has the ability to sign nearly anyone but that all things being equal Georgetown needs to win a few games first before the best of the best start coming. That being said, Malik Mack is a top tier guy -- I think our academics and location were key drivers (along with what I'm sure will be a generous NIL deal) in his decision making process. Remember -- we still stunk last year! However, we retained Epps, Fielder, McKenna and all of our incoming freshmen. I'd love an overnight success but I think 3 years is always - NIL or not - a fair amount of time to give a new basketball coach to become successful. Cooley was dealt a program that stunk on the court for 10 consecutive seasons and that had a rotting core for a lot longer than that. Fingers crossed we get one more legitimate big body, but I think regardless that this roster is better than last year's. Also, Cooley and his staff are hopefully also building some sort of culture and work ethic behind the scenes that will ensure that regardless of the roster that the teams play tough. Like many others, I'm suffering from acute Ewing PTSD and longer term Thompson Inc. trauma ... but I'm trying to stay positive.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 18, 2024 8:28:56 GMT -5
I’m curious. What’s a “verified source” for you? Ideally, it should be a firsthand reference by an individual or reporter who has spoken to someone directly involved and can report it based on the fact that they are a professional journalist; for example, if Gene Wang, Bobby Bancroft, Patrick Stevens, Kareem Copeland, Dana O'Neil, etc. says so, chances are excellent they have done their homework and that the information provided passes muster. The next level follows with the Internet personalities on podcasts and social media that have a mix of firsthand knowledge but also mix it with coaching chatter and online speculation but are otherwise seen as credible. If Jeff Goodman, Rob Dauster, Jon Wilner, Adam Zagoria, Gary Parrish, etc. say so, chances are good they have done their homework...but there's occasionally a sense that "I'm also hearing that..." is also in play because they are reading some of the sites, noted below, and are monetizing clicks. These two tiers, on their own, source content because they put their name on it, but since Georgetown has not cultivated any ongoing reporter relationships over the last half century, their access to, and intimate knowledge within, the basketball office has been limited at best. Where fans get into trouble is elevating blogs and anonymous Twitter accounts to the level of reporters. If a pop-up site says that Georgetown has $x million of NIL, some people assume that's the case and, on the fringe, it can migrate into the conversation to the group above, but without much verification. If another reports that that two centers are incoming within two days and nothing happens, it's either forgotten or considered a burner account, but in either case these are not sources.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 18, 2024 9:23:39 GMT -5
I’m curious. What’s a “verified source” for you? Ideally, it should be a firsthand reference by an individual or reporter who has spoken to someone directly involved and can report it based on the fact that they are a professional journalist; for example, if Gene Wang, Bobby Bancroft, Patrick Stevens, Kareem Copeland, Dana O'Neil, etc. says so, chances are excellent they have done their homework and that the information provided passes muster. The next level follows with the Internet personalities on podcasts and social media that have a mix of firsthand knowledge but also mix it with coaching chatter and online speculation but are otherwise seen as credible. If Jeff Goodman, Rob Dauster, Jon Wilner, Adam Zagoria, Gary Parrish, etc. say so, chances are good they have done their homework...but there's occasionally a sense that "I'm also hearing that..." is also in play because they are reading some of the sites, noted below, and are monetizing clicks. These two tiers, on their own, source content because they put their name on it, but since Georgetown has not cultivated any ongoing reporter relationships over the last half century, their access to, and intimate knowledge within, the basketball office has been limited at best. Where fans get into trouble is elevating blogs and anonymous Twitter accounts to the level of reporters. If a pop-up site says that Georgetown has $x million of NIL, some people assume that's the case and, on the fringe, it can migrate into the conversation to the group above, but without much verification. If another reports that that two centers are incoming within two days and nothing happens, it's either forgotten or considered a burner account, but in either case these are not sources. Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta?
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Post by conshyhoya on Jun 18, 2024 9:55:41 GMT -5
Ideally, it should be a firsthand reference by an individual or reporter who has spoken to someone directly involved and can report it based on the fact that they are a professional journalist; for example, if Gene Wang, Bobby Bancroft, Patrick Stevens, Kareem Copeland, Dana O'Neil, etc. says so, chances are excellent they have done their homework and that the information provided passes muster. The next level follows with the Internet personalities on podcasts and social media that have a mix of firsthand knowledge but also mix it with coaching chatter and online speculation but are otherwise seen as credible. If Jeff Goodman, Rob Dauster, Jon Wilner, Adam Zagoria, Gary Parrish, etc. say so, chances are good they have done their homework...but there's occasionally a sense that "I'm also hearing that..." is also in play because they are reading some of the sites, noted below, and are monetizing clicks. These two tiers, on their own, source content because they put their name on it, but since Georgetown has not cultivated any ongoing reporter relationships over the last half century, their access to, and intimate knowledge within, the basketball office has been limited at best. Where fans get into trouble is elevating blogs and anonymous Twitter accounts to the level of reporters. If a pop-up site says that Georgetown has $x million of NIL, some people assume that's the case and, on the fringe, it can migrate into the conversation to the group above, but without much verification. If another reports that that two centers are incoming within two days and nothing happens, it's either forgotten or considered a burner account, but in either case these are not sources. Where in those tiers do you rate Fanta? How would anyone know since none of this is reported? Even Cooley himself. He would know what we have but how would he know how much all 350+ teams have to spend? I doubt anyone on here really thinks we had top 5 NIL. Do you truly think we had more to spend than Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, UNC, Louisville, Memphis, Kansas etc.? Clearly KSU had a lot to spend. Washington clearly had money too. I think we probably had a sufficient amount but I doubt we were even tops in BE. Your telling me UConn can't get what they want from donors after their success? I'm sure Pitino has more than we did. Even reporters would have to have insiders on all teams or take the time to collaborate with insiders from each team. Not to mention that it is probably a very fluid item that can change daily.
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