lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:48:11 GMT -5
1. I don't get this can't fire Ewing argument. I'd say after today we can fire anyone we damn well please. I'm not saying that's my be all, end all, it's just that, well...
2. I'm curious about whether there is interplay, or even truth, to the ideas DrQuigley had in the "Elephant In The Room Thread". I don't think anyone really knows yet what the dynamic is in terms of the qualifications for this job. Frankly, it hasn't really been open in 40 years...
I suspect there are a number of aspects any candidate needs to hit, any mix of which get them the job, and certain of which are required and highly intangible and subjective things that are just the nature of being the head coach at a high-academics, Catholic school; things that may simply knock out some of the names thrown around.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 15:49:18 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I'm not even sure we would have to match Texas. But we would have to make a significant lift. My guess is his team is putting out interest. He's a great coach and someone who I think has always done things the right way. Could see him having confidence to work with JT Jr. Again, ecstatic to see his interest. Think he would be a tremendous ambassador for the program. Shaka for Georgetown--completely behind it. Also, it this doesn't work out, I would gauge interest from within the league. There are some very good coaches in the league like Holtman, Mack, and Cooley. Any of them would be great fits at Georgetown.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 23, 2017 15:50:49 GMT -5
Danny Hurley's deportment troubles me a little. He lost his composure in the post game TV interview following URI's conference tournament win. He is impulsive on the sideline. Say what you will about Thompson (and I have) his presence was exemplary. That attribute should not be sold short.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 23, 2017 15:50:51 GMT -5
Hard to justify that much for Shaka, but it would be a big swing, and would generate some excitement and boost recruiting. Maybe he realizes that football country can be a tough sell for hoops? Maybe Smart would accept a smaller "salary" if he had some incentives built into the contract to make the same, or more money, if he has success at Georgetown. I can't imagine he would be even considering leaving Texas if it was all about the money. If he is even considering leaving Texas it has to be more about the fact that Texas is not, and never will be, a "basketball" school, and maybe he wants to be somewhere that makes basketball the number 1 priority. If it is about making more money than he does now, I don't see the university giving him that contract right now.
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lurkerhoya
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Post by lurkerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:51:28 GMT -5
I'm pretty comfortable saying Chris Mack isn't available per contact at Xavier...
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Post by practice on Mar 23, 2017 15:51:46 GMT -5
Shaka would definitely be my #1 choice.
If we are going assistant major -- Raphael Chillious -- likely released at Washington and a recruiter extraordinaire. We need someone young, with recruiting ties to DC, and who coaches an uptempo style that is attractive to top recruits. Chilious is from Olney.
Also, I suggest someone call Tremont and his family and ask who he would like.
If only Broadus didn't ruin his chance at Binghamton .. has it been long enough yet?
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 15:51:59 GMT -5
It is time for a clean break. Shaka Smart is my first, second and third choice. If we cannot lure him away then Gregg Marshall, Tom Crean, Richard Pitino or Archie Miller. Hard pass on Amaker. This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:08 GMT -5
Talking about Smart instead of Amaker is, itself, making progress.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:11 GMT -5
I'll take whoever can re-recruit Tremont Waters
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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:42 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I'm not even sure we would have to match Texas. But we would have to make a significant lift. My guess is his team is putting out interest. He's a great coach and someone who I think has always done things the right way. Could see him having confidence to work with JT Jr. Again, ecstatic to see his interest. Think he would be a tremendous ambassador for the program. Shaka for Georgetown--completely behind it. Also, it this doesn't work out, I would gauge interest from within the league. There are some very good coaches in the league like Holtman, Mack, and Cooley. Any of them would be great fits at Georgetown. Ideal situation would be to get someone in at 1 to 1.5 million per year with the incentive of doubling the salary to 3 million per year after successfully rebuilding which should include success in the NCAA's
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Mar 23, 2017 15:53:46 GMT -5
It is time for a clean break. Shaka Smart is my first, second and third choice. If we cannot lure him away then Gregg Marshall, Tom Crean, Richard Pitino or Archie Miller. Hard pass on Amaker. This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. I'm curious, why are you a hard pass on Marshall? I happen to think there's no chance he comes here, but you're the only one I've heard say they would pass on him
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Post by TC on Mar 23, 2017 15:55:39 GMT -5
If only Broadus didn't ruin his chance at Binghamton .. has it been long enough yet? You're firing JT3 for results, and you want to hire the corrupt assistant that oversaw pretty much the entire downturn?
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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 15:56:28 GMT -5
Texas is not putting up with back to back to losing seasons.
If Shaka Smart is a Smart man, he should be willing to take a pay cut. He can stay at Texas and make more money and live as a year to year coach or take a pay cut and know he has a secure future at a school he can win at.
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Post by badgerhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:56:44 GMT -5
In all seriousness, who would Nike want? They've poured a ton into the program in one fashion or another and must feel like they need someone to juice up their ROI. Given that, which fellow Nike school has a good candidate?
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 15:57:58 GMT -5
This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. I'm curious, why are you a hard pass on Marshall? I happen to think there's no chance he comes here, but you're the only one I've heard say they would pass on him So, Marshall is a great coach, but he strikes me as someone who would be very demanding on the program. For those who think the Thompsons were demanding of loyalty or adulation, I think Marshall would demand far more. Plus, we would have to offer incredible pay to get him and for that I would rather have a hard nosed, chip on his should guy like Shaka. I just saw Marshall a bit up close when Alabama was considering him. I think Georgetown might even make a stronger offer, I just wasn't wowed.
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Post by practice on Mar 23, 2017 16:01:17 GMT -5
If only Broadus didn't ruin his chance at Binghamton .. has it been long enough yet? You're firing JT3 for results, and you want to hire the corrupt assistant that oversaw pretty much the entire downturn? I said that Kevin ruined his chances with the scandal he had ... although people do learn from their lessons. He could be the Hilltop's Norman Dale. From wiki: During the 2008–09 season, Broadus led the Bearcats to a remarkable 23–8 record. Binghamton reached its first NCAA Tournament in history by beating defending champion UMBC in the America East championship game on March 14, 2009.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 16:02:06 GMT -5
I'm curious, why are you a hard pass on Marshall? I happen to think there's no chance he comes here, but you're the only one I've heard say they would pass on him So, Marshall is a great coach, but he strikes me as someone who would be very demanding on the program. For those who think the Thompsons were demanding of loyalty or adulation, I think Marshall would demand far more. Plus, we would have to offer incredible pay to get him and for that I would rather have a hard nosed, chip on his should guy like Shaka. I just saw Marshall a bit up close when Alabama was considering him. I think Georgetown might even make a stronger offer, I just wasn't wowed. I keep hearing the Koch Bros. would pay anything to keep Marshall at Wichita St.
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Post by dense on Mar 23, 2017 16:03:14 GMT -5
It is time for a clean break. Shaka Smart is my first, second and third choice. If we cannot lure him away then Gregg Marshall, Tom Crean, Richard Pitino or Archie Miller. Hard pass on Amaker. hard pass on Amaker, Dawkins and anyone Duke related that is from the DC area.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 16:05:05 GMT -5
Texas is not putting up with back to back to losing seasons. If Shaka Smart is a Smart man, he should be willing to take a pay cut. He can stay at Texas and make more money and live as a year to year coach or take a pay cut and know he has a secure future at a school he can win at. I think this is exactly right and also explains why Texas is a "bad job." It's a program controlled by really rich, really out of touch people who think they know how to run a big sports enterprise because they made millions of dollars in the oil industry. Those folks pay millions on a coach but then remain really involved in the direction of the program and are far too quick to cut bait on a coach. Shaka would want to come here. He's a great fit for us, and we are a great fit for him. Whether the dollars work I don't know, I just hope they can.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 23, 2017 16:09:21 GMT -5
Shaka would definitely be my #1 choice. If we are going assistant major -- Raphael Chillious -- likely released at Washington and a recruiter extraordinaire. We need someone young, with recruiting ties to DC, and who coaches an uptempo style that is attractive to top recruits. Chilious is from Olney. Also, I suggest someone call Tremont and his family and ask who he would like.
If only Broadus didn't ruin his chance at Binghamton .. has it been long enough yet? Nah.. If this was the NBA, maybe.. Dude could blow up & leave after one year. The hell w/his opinion.
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