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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 9, 2017 8:44:58 GMT -5
I think we'd be worse than 4-12 without him. We have a poorly constructed team. Pryor will have off nights and opponents know they need to lock him down.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 9, 2017 9:35:09 GMT -5
I was at the game yesterday and watched Rodney Pryor have the worst game of his Hoya career. Obviously played a huge roll in our loss. But more important was the apparent conflict (?) between Pryor and JT3. Sits him for large portions of the game. Doesn't insert him at key points of the game. At least one come to Jesus moment at the bench. JT3 said after the game, according to the Washington Post, that he would have to talk to Pryor after the game. So what's going on? I am not sure what conflict you are referring to, but in case everyone is not aware of this, when Pryor is taken out of the game he goes to the scorers table and then sprints full speed from there down the bench slapping everyone five until he gets to the water at the end of the bench. There have been several times this year when III has literally had to lunge at him and/or wrap him up to get a few words in. And then Rodney continues on in his sprint. I noticed this too, but I am not sure what your point is? Are you saying he does this to avoid having to talk to the coach? Pryor had a bad game and III rightly planted him on the bench. What is the conflict?
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 9, 2017 9:38:59 GMT -5
I think we'd be worse than 4-12 without him. We have a poorly constructed team. Pryor will have off nights and opponents know they need to lock him down. Not picking on you, because a lot of people say this. But, poorly constructed implies that III didnt recruit the right pieces for the team. I disagree with that. He just didnt recruit good enough players. Again, I blame him for that, but I think people are reaching to find everything imaginable to criticize III for, when the fact is, we are just not a good team. It's the same when people say we are "more athletic" and "more talented" than other BE teams, but still lose. I dont buy that either. More talented includes defense, and clearly we do not have a lot of talented defenders.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 9, 2017 10:50:47 GMT -5
So then can we assume there is nothing wrong, physically or emotionally, with Pryor? I started the thread with the hope that someone else at the game or someone with inside info on the team might have seen something that would explain both his poor performance and the bizarre substitution pattern that developed during the game. I still think that JT3's remark after the game that he would talk to Rodney when they got back on campus indicated some kind of falling out between the two. Probably reading too much into it and this is just a typical coach-player mid season dust up.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 9, 2017 11:02:23 GMT -5
So then can we assume there is nothing wrong, physically or emotionally, with Pryor? I started the thread with the hope that someone else at the game or someone with inside info on the team might have seen something that would explain both his poor performance and the bizarre substitution pattern that developed during the game. I still think that JT3's remark after the game that he would talk to Rodney when they got back on campus indicated some kind of falling out between the two. Probably reading too much into it and this is just a typical coach-player mid season dust up. I watched him a lot during the game, too, and he just seemed frustrated. But, there is always the case that he could have been under the weather, or something was bothering him. Also, he wore pink shoes. I blame that...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 9, 2017 11:11:20 GMT -5
The age old dilemma; would help tremendously to be able to let Pryor shoot himself out of his slump - but we have such little margin for error right now, we can't really afford the empty possessions it could take to get him back on track.
In addition, although I don't focus on Rodney's every move at both ends, I get the impression that his frustration is affecting the rest of his game as well, to the extent that he is losing focus on defense, not to mention trying to force every transition.
Hopefully we see a fast-paced game tonight that gives him plenty of chances to break out. We definitely need him to contribute in order to have any success whatsoever this year.
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Post by dense on Jan 9, 2017 12:08:26 GMT -5
I remember I got killed by other posters when I said this after the Marquette game. Look he has great talent but you gotta play under some framework for it to lead to wins at this level. At Robert Morris his talent is 10 times that if anyone else there in that conference. You could play roll the ball out there basketball. Doesnt work here and if you are too much of a ball stopper you make everyone out there worse. Plus all the contested J's with 20 on the clock. His defense off the ball has been terrible. I am not burying him as why we are 8-8 but if we are going to win, he has to play a better all around game.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Jan 9, 2017 13:32:01 GMT -5
One bad game and we're killing the guy! Even with the clunker against Butler he is shooting 51% FG, 45% 3-pt FG, and 80% FT on the season, all while averaging 18.6 points and 5 rebounds per game while only committing 2 turnovers a game. Yes, he makes bad decisions here and there, but he is our best scoring weapon and shoots at a high percentage to boot. He needs to play and play a lot every game if we have any chance of turning the season around. What he said
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 9, 2017 13:41:51 GMT -5
I am not sure what conflict you are referring to, but in case everyone is not aware of this, when Pryor is taken out of the game he goes to the scorers table and then sprints full speed from there down the bench slapping everyone five until he gets to the water at the end of the bench. There have been several times this year when III has literally had to lunge at him and/or wrap him up to get a few words in. And then Rodney continues on in his sprint. I noticed this too, but I am not sure what your point is? Are you saying he does this to avoid having to talk to the coach? Pryor had a bad game and III rightly planted him on the bench. What is the conflict? I assume you are directing this at drq and not me and just replied to the wrong message?
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 9, 2017 13:48:22 GMT -5
I noticed this too, but I am not sure what your point is? Are you saying he does this to avoid having to talk to the coach? Pryor had a bad game and III rightly planted him on the bench. What is the conflict? I assume you are directing this at drq and not me and just replied to the wrong message? And if you were asking me, my point was that maybe what he thought was a "conflict" was III grabbing Pryor as he sprinted by. And plus, I actually think it is pretty funny when it has happened. Was in no way suggesting anything nefarious or that Pryor was doing it to avoid the coach. And the fact that you read that says a lot about the state of this Board at the moment.
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 9, 2017 13:57:27 GMT -5
I was sincerely asking what your point was and what was the conflict. I actually think it is pretty funny, too. That's why I didnt understand why it had to do with any conflict.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 9, 2017 16:28:29 GMT -5
I'm still stuck on 4-12 without RP. Can someone please tell me the 4 games that we lose without Rodney? Because I say that it would be a trade off because he personally cost us 2-3 games. What games? Oregon, Syracuse,....? I think we win Maryland and Butler without him. Our team cannot overcome bad plays when we are up 5pts and have momentum. We need Rodney to be good but we need a modified version that recognizes smart bball plays.......
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Post by JohnnyJones on Jan 9, 2017 18:04:19 GMT -5
I was sincerely asking what your point was and what was the conflict. I actually think it is pretty funny, too. That's why I didnt understand why it had to do with any conflict. If you didn't know this was Pryor's routine, and you all of the sudden see the HC grab a player to stop him from sprinting by perhaps you could think it was a "conflict". Who cares I guess. Let's just win tonight and all feel better.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 9, 2017 21:31:56 GMT -5
Other than not hitting his outside shots and missing a free throw, I thought Rodney played well tonight.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 9, 2017 22:30:19 GMT -5
Other than not hitting his outside shots and missing a free throw, I thought Rodney played well tonight. Most definitely. I'd prefer to see him attack the rim early just to get his shot honed at the FT line. Still has his weaknesses but he was more involved at both ends today. Loved the start to the second half. They got the ball but instead of letting an easy inbound, he was ON TOP of his man to show that he was there. Smartly, he didn't contest the pass but even his presence slowed them down and made them start further back.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 9, 2017 23:08:09 GMT -5
Ok. We noticed problems with his knee. Did anyone else see it? He was gimpy when he came out but it seemed to throw his jumper off balance. Sort of surprised no one else picked up on this. I was expecting a discussion.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 9, 2017 23:45:48 GMT -5
Ok. We noticed problems with his knee. Did anyone else see it? He was gimpy when he came out but it seemed to throw his jumper off balance. Sort of surprised no one else picked up on this. I was expecting a discussion. I noticed. He was wearing some kind of wrap around his knee with a sleeve over the wrap on his leg. Beginning of the game he had a little bit of limp in his movements and it improved as he kept playing. When he came back in the game following a break he would have the slight limp again. As he played and got loose, the slight limp would dissipate. Definitely not 100% and is affecting his perimeter shot and some of his bounce particularly off 2 legs.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 11, 2017 14:51:15 GMT -5
Rodney is a volume shooter, which is what he was at Robert Morris and during the Kenner league. Everyone looks past the bad shots when he is making a good percentage and filling up the scorebook, but everyone has off nights and when his shot is not falling he is not a great asset to the team. Kaleb is a better defender and that is why he played so much against Butler.
The team needs Rodney to continue to be aggressive but also needs him to be efficient with his shots. That is not going to happen every night and to a big degree this team just needs to learn to deal with that reality. They need two legit offensive threats to keep the other team's defense honest so lets just hope he does not have too many more bad shooting nights!!
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