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Post by blueandgray on Dec 24, 2016 11:53:16 GMT -5
Broadus is on the job...going to have to beat out Kansas for this one. Kid would start from day 1 at Georgetown and would be carrying a big part of the scoring load. He and Waters would be very tough for opposing defenses to handle.
I think Sam understands what Georgetown has to over in terms of education, values and basketball that Kansas may not. He'd be coming in to replace another transfer who is currently leading the Big East in scoring, where as at Kansas if he has an off night, he sits. As a scorer, there will be days that you are on and days that you are off. At Arizona st., the staff didn't have the patience and the same would happen at Kansas in my opinion.
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Post by dense on Dec 24, 2016 12:30:13 GMT -5
Seemed like he did not like that Ariz. St wanted to play small alot and he would be a 4 alot. He obviously would start from day 1 and I think we should be good in this 1. Kansas has to assume that Josh Jackson is going pro so they have a spot but if he came here he would definitely start, do not think he can go to Kansas and believe that.
He has red flags that some say he has a bad attitude but I think here since he would play so much right away, do not think it would be an issue.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 24, 2016 13:30:20 GMT -5
Seemed like he did not like that Ariz. St wanted to play small alot and he would be a 4 alot. He obviously would start from day 1 and I think we should be good in this 1. Kansas has to assume that Josh Jackson is going pro so they have a spot but if he came here he would definitely start, do not think he can go to Kansas and believe that. He has red flags that some say he has a bad attitude but I think here since he would play so much right away, do not think it would be an issue. I agree with this.. As for Kansas, I think it's more to do with the other guards & wings than Jackson who's a lock to leave.. Self will still have Mykialiuk & Vick as wings plus Newman will take the Mason minutes when he leaves.. They also have 6-5 guard 4* Marcus Garrett coming in for 2017.. Gtown should have an advantage roster wise if PT is his main goal..
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Post by IDenj on Dec 24, 2016 14:11:24 GMT -5
I have zero knowledge of his attitude but there are reports of there being issues. I think we see a player with not the best attitude at Georgetown transferring out and seemingly team morale improving; is there a concern that a poor attitude will cause more damage than good??
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Post by dense on Dec 24, 2016 14:19:02 GMT -5
I have zero knowledge of his attitude but there are reports of there being issues. I think we see a player with not the best attitude at Georgetown transferring out and seemingly team morale improving; is there a concern that a poor attitude will cause more damage than good?? Exactly I have seen people say he is the nicest kid ever and seen people say he is very selfish and if he is not involved in the game he immediately pouts. I hope the staff can figure out what is true. If he has concerns of playing the 4, that would never happen here with Walker coming in next year.
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 24, 2016 14:21:40 GMT -5
Talented guy no doubt and I'm sure the staff has done their homework on his attitude. Would seem to fill a need very clearly with Pryor gone and LJ likely out after this year. Part of Copeland's problem was he didn't have a position and wasn't clearly better than guys on the team that played the same positions he could.
The somewhat interesting dynamic is it seems like Bobby Hurley and Cunliffe obviously didn't see eye-to-eye...thought Hurley was fairly classy in the article linked but there might be a couple of his lines that could be read between. With Jagan Mosley having played at St. Anthony's for Bob Hurley, Sr., you'd think that Mosley could get some insight through the Hurleys as to how Cunliffe might fit.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 24, 2016 15:26:48 GMT -5
Looks to be a good shooter. Tough to evaluate the kid as he's only a freshman. He seems to fancy himself as a volume scorer, but the stats say he's really poor inside the 3 point line. Based on my very limited look at his videos and the stats, he probably thinks he's a lot better scorer than he is.
Players do improve and he's got a nice skill set. I trust the staff's evaluation on this one
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Dec 24, 2016 18:28:27 GMT -5
We definitely need his services next year based on our guards development at this point. I don't see Campbell, Mosely or Mulmore being able to fill Peaks and Pryors shoes. The only down falls I see would be team chemistry and recruiting going forward, what happens with our chances with Boyd, Hubb and Johnson?
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Post by dreamhoya on Dec 24, 2016 21:24:36 GMT -5
For visual types like me:
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Post by beenaround on Dec 24, 2016 21:59:37 GMT -5
We definitely need his services next year based on our guards development at this point. I don't see Campbell, Mosely or Mulmore being able to fill Peaks and Pryors shoes. The only down falls I see would be team chemistry and recruiting going forward, what happens with our chances with Boyd, Hubb and Johnson? But would he be able to play next year?
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 25, 2016 0:40:52 GMT -5
He'd be eligible 2nd semester next year.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 25, 2016 1:49:26 GMT -5
Hold up. Players are now transferring before the second semester of their freshmen season?
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Post by dense on Dec 25, 2016 3:53:42 GMT -5
If you really want to get to see him, there is a documentary of his senior year on youtube. It is very enlightening. He is a good kid but even his friends say he rubs people the wrong way. He has a big ego and thinks highly of himself which is cool with me if you back it up but the thing I took most from the film was he is hyper competitive and he does not do well with failure which I can see maybe caused problrms at ASU. He would definitely fit in with our guys though, comes from a big family.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 25, 2016 7:57:17 GMT -5
If you really want to get to see him, there is a documentary of his senior year on youtube. It us very enlightening. He is a good kid but even his friends say he rubs people the wrong way. He has a big ego and thinks highly of himself which is cool with me if you back it up but the thing I took most from the film was he is hyper competitive and he does not do well with failure which I can see maybe caused problrms at ASU. He would definitely fit in with our guys though, comes from a big family. Who knows what is true, particularly based upon a high school video documentary. That said, I hope that the coaches are very careful in evaluating the "fit" with the likely returning players next year. Team needs a player willing to fit into a specific position and role. It does not need a talented kid with an oversized ego. With respect to Copeland, I read a couple of posts on this thread that suggest that he had attitude issues. This is a first for me and would like to know the basis for these statements. My kid has met him several times (including after his benching), knows others who know him fairly well and never suggested any attitude issues. Is there some rumor or incident of which I am unaware or is this all just a reaction to the fact that the team has won a few games in a row and is playing better than before?
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Post by dense on Dec 25, 2016 8:28:41 GMT -5
If you really want to get to see him, there is a documentary of his senior year on youtube. It us very enlightening. He is a good kid but even his friends say he rubs people the wrong way. He has a big ego and thinks highly of himself which is cool with me if you back it up but the thing I took most from the film was he is hyper competitive and he does not do well with failure which I can see maybe caused problrms at ASU. He would definitely fit in with our guys though, comes from a big family. Who knows what is true, particularly based upon a high school video documentary. That said, I hope that the coaches are very careful in evaluating the "fit" with the likely returning players next year. Team needs a player willing to fit into a specific position and role. It does not need a talented kid with an oversized ego. With respect to Copeland, I read a couple of posts on this thread that suggest that he had attitude issues. This is a first for me and would like to know the basis for these statements. My kid has met him several times (including after his benching), knows others who know him fairly well and never suggested any attitude issues. Is there some rumor or incident of which I am unaware or is this all just a reaction to the fact that the team has won a few games in a row and is playing better than before? Well in terms of Sam, the documentary talks about it. About the 3 high schools in 3 years and people saying he is selfish. Even Jamal Crawford talks about it and his answer seems to not be let me make him look good. It is pretty telling about athletes in general.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 25, 2016 10:28:50 GMT -5
If you really want to get to see him, there is a documentary of his senior year on youtube. It us very enlightening. He is a good kid but even his friends say he rubs people the wrong way. He has a big ego and thinks highly of himself which is cool with me if you back it up but the thing I took most from the film was he is hyper competitive and he does not do well with failure which I can see maybe caused problrms at ASU. He would definitely fit in with our guys though, comes from a big family. Who knows what is true, particularly based upon a high school video documentary. That said, I hope that the coaches are very careful in evaluating the "fit" with the likely returning players next year. Team needs a player willing to fit into a specific position and role. It does not need a talented kid with an oversized ego. With respect to Copeland, I read a couple of posts on this thread that suggest that he had attitude issues. This is a first for me and would like to know the basis for these statements. My kid has met him several times (including after his benching), knows others who know him fairly well and never suggested any attitude issues. Is there some rumor or incident of which I am unaware or is this all just a reaction to the fact that the team has won a few games in a row and is playing better than before? Copeland is a good kid and I believe the "attitude issues" have less to do with how he rubbed off on others (he was well likes) and more to do with a passiveness and a lack of desire to put in the hard work.
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 25, 2016 10:32:50 GMT -5
As for Sam, I have not seen the documentary....but I know he is young and that kids can change and grow. Georgetown would be a great place for him to do that...especially with a year off to make that transition. He would also be surrounded by really great guys...i.e. Waters, Mosley, Johnson, Marcus, agau, mulmore, Campbell and others who are character kids. I think Sam would be fine.
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Post by 95hoya on Dec 25, 2016 11:59:53 GMT -5
I'm never a fan of guys with inflated egos who think they are a lot better than they actually are because that manifests itself on the court in a negative way. But that's an outsider's opinion. The staff can determine if he can blend in and be a good role player because he certainly isn't going to be the guy.
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Post by dense on Dec 25, 2016 12:30:26 GMT -5
As for Sam, I have not seen the documentary....but I know he is young and that kids can change and grow. Georgetown would be a great place for him to do that...especially with a year off to make that transition. He would also be surrounded by really great guys...i.e. Waters, Mosley, Johnson, Marcus, agau, mulmore, Campbell and others who are character kids. I think Sam would be fine. it supposedly is not done so maybe we will see some of the ASU stuff in it. There are 3 30 mins vids on youtube. the third is more about his high schools tradition. His high school Rainier Beach produced Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson and Terrence Williams of Louisville. Also former Bullet Kevin Porter went there. But his dad is a track coach, So he kinda has had expectations on him for awhile. His sister is a sprinter at Oregon(also transferred after 1 year) was the Pac 12 track athlete of the year so its a very athletic family. 8 kids 7 girls, he is the only boy.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 25, 2016 12:58:24 GMT -5
If you really want to get to see him, there is a documentary of his senior year on youtube. It us very enlightening. He is a good kid but even his friends say he rubs people the wrong way. He has a big ego and thinks highly of himself which is cool with me if you back it up but the thing I took most from the film was he is hyper competitive and he does not do well with failure which I can see maybe caused problrms at ASU. He would definitely fit in with our guys though, comes from a big family. Who knows what is true, particularly based upon a high school video documentary. That said, I hope that the coaches are very careful in evaluating the "fit" with the likely returning players next year. Team needs a player willing to fit into a specific position and role. It does not need a talented kid with an oversized ego. With respect to Copeland, I read a couple of posts on this thread that suggest that he had attitude issues. This is a first for me and would like to know the basis for these statements. My kid has met him several times (including after his benching), knows others who know him fairly well and never suggested any attitude issues. Is there some rumor or incident of which I am unaware or is this all just a reaction to the fact that the team has won a few games in a row and is playing better than before? There is an incident that you are unaware of.
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