tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 17, 2016 22:53:24 GMT -5
Yeah....stats don't tell the whole story. Do you really believe this statement? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? I believe it and facts support my statement. What do you find not to be true about it? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? DaJuan was a better player overall and he had a more normal trajectory for a college player. He improved incrementally each year in terms of stats whereas Isaac regressed. I think both guys were better in a role where they didn't have to be option 1 or 1A but could provide a big game here and there when they were on. Both guys are also sort of caught in terms of position. Neither guy is a prototypical 3 or 4 and you sort of have to pick and choose depending on opponents. Regardless, there are positives and negatives with nearly every matchup. I think Isaac worked harder on the boards than did DaJuan which is odd as DaJuan had a better build for getting position and banging down low. I think that was one of the more infuriating things about DS. He had the physical strength to do more down low and on the boards but he wanted to be a shooter. Isaac just doesn't have the physical strength just yet to be that kind of player. He has a slim build and it probably takes a lot for him to add any mass. But, as he matures, it'll get easier. I think sitting out and hitting the gym could do him a lot of good. |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 17, 2016 23:31:35 GMT -5
Is this a done deal? What's the protocol on this. Can he change his mind? Because neither Bilas or the guy mentioned anything about the Copeland transfer on the broadcast. People have backed out before. Happened twice at St. John's recently. Obekpa untransferred and so did alibegovic. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 18, 2016 0:39:31 GMT -5
Is this a done deal? What's the protocol on this. Can he change his mind? Because neither Bilas or the guy mentioned anything about the Copeland transfer on the broadcast. People have backed out before. Happened twice at St. John's recently. Obekpa untransferred and so did alibegovic. No longer listed on the roster, FWIW. www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/gu-m-baskbl-mtt.html |
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Post by michaeldm9 on Dec 18, 2016 10:59:20 GMT -5
Olympus has fallen!!! The Thompson arrogance strikes again. 2 or your prized recruits have transferred and You can barley beat Mid Majors. Lol what you've done in the past count said for nothing....those 5 stars don't bring us 5 extra wins The dumping of the Princeton offense for the junk I see on the court now is stupid. For whatever reason The Princeton offense, patients, control and smart play have become a dirty word for the GTown program. I think White and Isaac lived up to what they was suppose to bring to the table. The style of offense and this new helter-skeleter play is the issue. Straight hot garbage. Accumulating Events make me weary of the direction of the program. 1) Josh Smith accession in the program. Should have never played aminute 2) No playing time from Bradley Hayes during that time 3) Large amounts of fouling not being addressed 4) Lack attention to detail and patients on the the court that defined JTIII in the early years. 5) Lack of playing time or even development for Mourning 6) Shying away from the Princeton offense. Now they look like a dumpster fire on the court 7) Inability to lock up Jaren Jackson II. WTF. That's like not being able to sell a man on fire water. 8) Lost of your prize recruits who have the prototypical attributes to run your offense you started with that won you a lot of games transfers. All of this makes me question the direction of the program. |
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 18, 2016 11:17:48 GMT -5
Yeah....stats don't tell the whole story. Do you really believe this statement? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? I believe it and facts support my statement. What do you find not to be true about it? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? Okay...you win. Great basketball analysis! |
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Post by prhoya on Dec 18, 2016 12:59:45 GMT -5
I believe it and facts support my statement. What do you find not to be true about it? Or are you just trying to be argumentative? Okay...you win. Great basketball analysis! Always at your service!  |
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 18, 2016 13:01:44 GMT -5
Lol what you've done in the past count said for nothing....those 5 stars don't bring us 5 extra wins The dumping of the Princeton offense for the junk I see on the court now is stupid. For whatever reason The Princeton offense, patients, control and smart play have become a dirty word for the GTown program. I think White and Isaac lived up to what they was suppose to bring to the table. The style of offense and this new helter-skeleter play is the issue. Straight hot garbage. Accumulating Events make me weary of the direction of the program. 1) Josh Smith accession in the program. Should have never played aminute 2) No playing time from Bradley Hayes during that time 3) Large amounts of fouling not being addressed 4) Lack attention to detail and patients on the the court that defined JTIII in the early years. 5) Lack of playing time or even development for Mourning 6) Shying away from the Princeton offense. Now they look like a dumpster fire on the court 7) Inability to lock up Jaren Jackson II. WTF. That's like not being able to sell a man on fire water. 8) Lost of your prize recruits who have the prototypical attributes to run your offense you started with that won you a lot of games transfers. All of this makes me question the direction of the program. You're all over the place and have no clue what you're talking about. |
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 18, 2016 22:58:06 GMT -5
The Mona LisaThe dumping of the Princeton offense for the junk I see on the court now is stupid. For whatever reason The Princeton offense, patients, control and smart play have become a dirty word for the GTown program. I think White and Isaac lived up to what they was suppose to bring to the table. The style of offense and this new helter-skeleter play is the issue. Straight hot garbage. Accumulating Events make me weary of the direction of the program. 1) Josh Smith accession in the program. Should have never played aminute 2) No playing time from Bradley Hayes during that time 3) Large amounts of fouling not being addressed 4) Lack attention to detail and patients on the the court that defined JTIII in the early years. 5) Lack of playing time or even development for Mourning 6) Shying away from the Princeton offense. Now they look like a dumpster fire on the court 7) Inability to lock up Jaren Jackson II. WTF. That's like not being able to sell a man on fire water. 8) Lost of your prize recruits who have the prototypical attributes to run your offense you started with that won you a lot of games transfers. All of this makes me question the direction of the program. You're all over the place and have no clue what you're talking about. HSB nailed it. It never seemed as though JJ Jr. was coming. Not much the staff could have done to have changed that, IMO. The fouling has been addressed. Why should Joshua not have played a minute? Because he was heavy? Paul White made a good choice for his future and Isaac may have been a highly rated recruit but he isn't (yet) a very good CBB player and didn't fit at all in a Princeton style offense. If anything, he should have fit better this year but he lost his ability to shoot and his defense was nonexistent and, as a result, dropped down the depth chart. He'd have had to have had a huge turnaround to get his minutes back. Maybe the time away from organized play allows him to work on what he needs to work on. Patience on the court was exactly the argument against the Princeton offense in the first place. Who is Mourning better than at his position? I'm not saying he shouldn't get minutes but it's not as though he's at the top of the depth chart. |
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Post by blueandgray on Dec 19, 2016 0:17:11 GMT -5
Lol what you've done in the past count said for nothing....those 5 stars don't bring us 5 extra wins The dumping of the Princeton offense for the junk I see on the court now is stupid. For whatever reason The Princeton offense, patients, control and smart play have become a dirty word for the GTown program. I think White and Isaac lived up to what they was suppose to bring to the table. The style of offense and this new helter-skeleter play is the issue. Straight hot garbage. Accumulating Events make me weary of the direction of the program. 1) Josh Smith accession in the program. Should have never played aminute 2) No playing time from Bradley Hayes during that time 3) Large amounts of fouling not being addressed 4) Lack attention to detail and patients on the the court that defined JTIII in the early years. 5) Lack of playing time or even development for Mourning 6) Shying away from the Princeton offense. Now they look like a dumpster fire on the court 7) Inability to lock up Jaren Jackson II. WTF. That's like not being able to sell a man on fire water. 8) Lost of your prize recruits who have the prototypical attributes to run your offense you started with that won you a lot of games transfers. All of this makes me question the direction of the program. What a waste of cyberspace. |
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 19, 2016 8:27:33 GMT -5
Any more word on the schools he is considering? Does he need to commit to another school before the start of the spring semester in order to be eligible to play the second semester of next year? I am not sure how those rules work.
I am interested to see where he lands.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 19, 2016 9:26:23 GMT -5
I've got even money on UNC Greensboro.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 21, 2016 0:02:19 GMT -5
The Mona LisaThe dumping of the Princeton offense for the junk I see on the court now is stupid. For whatever reason The Princeton offense, patients, control and smart play have become a dirty word for the GTown program. I think White and Isaac lived up to what they was suppose to bring to the table. The style of offense and this new helter-skeleter play is the issue. Straight hot garbage. Accumulating Events make me weary of the direction of the program. 1) Josh Smith accession in the program. Should have never played aminute 2) No playing time from Bradley Hayes during that time 3) Large amounts of fouling not being addressed 4) Lack attention to detail and patients on the the court that defined JTIII in the early years. 5) Lack of playing time or even development for Mourning 6) Shying away from the Princeton offense. Now they look like a dumpster fire on the court 7) Inability to lock up Jaren Jackson II. WTF. That's like not being able to sell a man on fire water. 8) Lost of your prize recruits who have the prototypical attributes to run your offense you started with that won you a lot of games transfers. All of this makes me question the direction of the program. What a waste of cyberspace. Nothing in the way of a response from the original poster? This is part of what I don't get about some of the posters here. Those that are "homers" usually provide reasons why they're still on board. Many that are "haters" often don't when challenged. I'm not saying all by any stretch in either instance and, realistically, there are very few of us that are building permanent homes in either camp. But the ones on the fire JT3 side tend to be much less game for a discussion when what they post are challenged. Many of us have had issues with eagle54 but I appreciate that he responds. Disagreeable is better than silent on a message board. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 21, 2016 8:39:04 GMT -5
It can take a couple of days to sleep off an epic bender.
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Post by eagle54 on Dec 21, 2016 23:15:42 GMT -5
It can take a couple of days to sleep off an epic bender. I could defend all of those points he made but you have to have patients. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 22, 2016 8:52:19 GMT -5
It can take a couple of days to sleep off an epic bender. I could defend all of those points he made but you have to have patients. Some if his points are certainly valid. I was just impressed by the rambling, almost incoherent style of the post. 30 years ago when I could have more than 2 drinks without dozing off, I could ramble with the best of them. Fortunately I had no social media to memorialize it! |
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 22, 2016 14:23:14 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Dec 22, 2016 15:10:26 GMT -5
Makes sense. I hope he gets it. |
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Dec 22, 2016 15:38:00 GMT -5
I'll hope he gets it too. He could use two more years.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 22, 2016 15:56:23 GMT -5
I'll hope he gets it too. He could use two more years. Yes, the NCAA is much looser around such requests, but the medical redshirt is based on a season-ending injury. I'm not convinced that Copeland couldn't have come back from the facial injury for the rest of the season, inasmuch as he did in the Elon game. Either way, the net difference is a semester of play. |
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Dec 22, 2016 16:05:21 GMT -5
The article says that he is having back surgery in the next couple of days so that does qualify as a season-ending injury. This is news to me and it sounds serious, particularly for someone aspiring to a pro career. I really wish him the best.
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