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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 7, 2016 13:19:35 GMT -5
Just watching these two teams play makes me sick. Jay Wright is just amazing the way he lets his guys play. Those two TD passes off the press were unbelievable. Bridges is the real deal. And yes, Brunson is what a true PG looks like (I vaguely recall). I really think the game this Saturday is the season. Hoyas have a week to practice and get everyone healthy. Get a free preview of LaSalle tonight. Neutral court. No excuses this Saturday. If the Hoyas can play with these guys and not get blown out then there may be hope. But if, as I fear, they get blown away then it may be time to kiss another season goodbye. We will have to work very, very hard on defense for 40 minutes. Have to crash the boards. And have to use our height to get them in foul trouble. Yes, Bronson is a true a point guard as you can get man lol. That what a point guard looks like and does. Doris Burke gave him major props. Masterful at controlling the pace of a game. Watters pls hurry. But Bronson is on another level.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 7, 2016 16:55:15 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from doc, it may be true from a tournament resume point of view that a lot (if not everything) rests on the next few days. My only issue is that your post seems to suggest that whatever state the team is in now is somehow fixed and will not change going forward. It seems to me that the Hoyas are in a state of extreme flux. Veteran players are adapting (somewhat painfully at times) to a new offensive and a new defensive scheme. The team is also incorporating new faces in key roles. There is very little if any continuity carrying over from last year's squad, which is causing a significant amount of inconsistency. It is quite possible that this match-up against LaSalle is catching the Hoyas at a vulnerable point in that transition and it could get very ugly. It is also possible (but seems unreasonably optimisitic) that things click and they roll past LaSalle. Regardless of what happens against LaSalle, I think it's unfair to discount the possibility that the team will have grown, adjusted and better incorporated those new concepts and players by the time they face their Big East foes. It's also possible they never adjust or even regress. I guess my point is this team is struggling with a lot of change. It's shown flashes of what it can do, but those have been overshadowed by large stretches of incredibly frustrating inconsistency and hesitancy. Right. It feels like Monmouth. Almost the same point of the season, too. Going in to that game last year, I felt we could either click and roll past them, or they were going to blow us out. Feel the same here. I really wish I could believe that we are "transitioning" and by the end of the season the transition will be complete and we will charge into the BE and NCAA tourney. But I just don't see it. Just too many missing pieces. I thought the Elon win may have shown that we turned the corner. But I see where Elon lost to Asheville by 10+ yesterday. And watching Lasalle take it to Nova is what makes me think that THIS IS THE EALRY SEASON OOC MID-MAJOR GAME that will show which way this team is headed.
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Post by TBird41 on Dec 7, 2016 17:36:27 GMT -5
Just have to disagree. We can't write off a loss to this team and think it won't be an indication of how we perform the rest of the season. These are the games that challenge our defensive intensity. If we can contain LaSalle's offense then we may have a chance against Xavier, Nova, Creighton, Marquette. If we can't then in my mind it is a good indicator that we will be destroyed by quality BE teams. The fact that these mid majors play a different type of game than many major programs doesn't mean that we can ignore the weaknesses they expose. Our adversaries in the BE are watching these games too. They will be sure to incorporate changes in their game plans to attack our deficiencies. We have to correct those deficiencies and not assume they won't hurt us down the road. I understand where you are coming from doc, it may be true from a tournament resume point of view that a lot (if not everything) rests on the next few days. My only issue is that your post seems to suggest that whatever state the team is in now is somehow fixed and will not change going forward. It seems to me that the Hoyas are in a state of extreme flux. Veteran players are adapting (somewhat painfully at times) to a new offensive and a new defensive scheme. The team is also incorporating new faces in key roles. There is very little if any continuity carrying over from last year's squad, which is causing a significant amount of inconsistency. It is quite possible that this match-up against LaSalle is catching the Hoyas at a vulnerable point in that transition and it could get very ugly. It is also possible (but seems unreasonably optimisitic) that things click and they roll past LaSalle. Regardless of what happens against LaSalle, I think it's unfair to discount the possibility that the team will have grown, adjusted and better incorporated those new concepts and players by the time they face their Big East foes. It's also possible they never adjust or even regress. I guess my point is this team is struggling with a lot of change. It's shown flashes of what it can do, but those have been overshadowed by large stretches of incredibly frustrating inconsistency and hesitancy. Basically, if the Hoyas don't win 2 of their next 3 games, they'll enter conference play at 6-6 and need to go 12-6 or 11-7 plus a BET win to get to 18 wins, which leaves almost no margin of error. And it's hard to see them getting in to the tournament with fewer than 18 wins. Ok. St. in 2015 is the only team to make the NCAAs with 18 wins in the past five years. I think we should make the NCAAs if we get 18 wins, considering how deep the Big East is, but 17 wins probably isn't enough to get off the bubble.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 7, 2016 19:03:25 GMT -5
This year there have been only 4 games I was certain the Hoyas would win--and they lost one of those!
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Post by drquigley on Dec 7, 2016 21:20:57 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from doc, it may be true from a tournament resume point of view that a lot (if not everything) rests on the next few days. My only issue is that your post seems to suggest that whatever state the team is in now is somehow fixed and will not change going forward. It seems to me that the Hoyas are in a state of extreme flux. Veteran players are adapting (somewhat painfully at times) to a new offensive and a new defensive scheme. The team is also incorporating new faces in key roles. There is very little if any continuity carrying over from last year's squad, which is causing a significant amount of inconsistency. It is quite possible that this match-up against LaSalle is catching the Hoyas at a vulnerable point in that transition and it could get very ugly. It is also possible (but seems unreasonably optimisitic) that things click and they roll past LaSalle. Regardless of what happens against LaSalle, I think it's unfair to discount the possibility that the team will have grown, adjusted and better incorporated those new concepts and players by the time they face their Big East foes. It's also possible they never adjust or even regress. I guess my point is this team is struggling with a lot of change. It's shown flashes of what it can do, but those have been overshadowed by large stretches of incredibly frustrating inconsistency and hesitancy. Basically, if the Hoyas don't win 2 of their next 3 games, they'll enter conference play at 6-6 and need to go 12-6 or 11-7 plus a BET win to get to 18 wins, which leaves almost no margin of error. And it's hard to see them getting in to the tournament with fewer than 18 wins. Ok. St. in 2015 is the only team to make the NCAAs with 18 wins in the past five years. I think we should make the NCAAs if we get 18 wins, considering how deep the Big East is, but 17 wins probably isn't enough to get off the bubble. We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 8:56:53 GMT -5
We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in. If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us.
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Post by practice on Dec 8, 2016 9:05:40 GMT -5
We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in. If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. This is too funny. Let's get past Saturday. This team shouldn't think past one possession!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 8, 2016 9:22:35 GMT -5
We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in. If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. eh based on last year's selection committee no game where we aren't at 100% will be held against us. If cuse can get every game with out Jimbo excused away and allow them to make the tournament then the fact that we were with out Bradley and Marcus should totally erase the Arkansas St loss along with every other loss this year since we were missing at least one player every game.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 8, 2016 16:02:23 GMT -5
We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in. If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. I was just trying to remind everyone that we will have plenty of opportunity to fatten our resume once the BE season starts. But you're right, we also have plenty of opportunity to destroy that resume with losses to St. John's and DePaul (Seton Hall not so much).
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Post by 757hoyafan on Dec 8, 2016 16:11:38 GMT -5
If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. This is too funny. Let's get past Saturday. This team shouldn't think past one possession! Lol. Did you quote LJ, Marcus, Lil Zo? What's wrong w/a fan thinking ahead?
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 8, 2016 18:20:29 GMT -5
We will be playing at least 6 BE games against top ten teams (Nova, Xavier, Creighton) and maybe 2-4 games against top 20 teams (Butler, Marquette). These early season games only matter for our NCAA chances if we fail to win at least half of these BE games. Our BE record could be 9-9 but if 5-6 of the wins are against these teams then I can't see how we don't get in. If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. Arkansas State may very well end up being an RPI loss under 100 or even under 75 if they keep up their play. So it won't hurt nearly as much numerically as we first feared.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 8, 2016 19:46:41 GMT -5
If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. eh based on last year's selection committee no game where we aren't at 100% will be held against us. If cuse can get every game with out Jimbo excused away and allow them to make the tournament then the fact that we were with out Bradley and Marcus should totally erase the Arkansas St loss along with every other loss this year since we were missing at least one player every game. We're unbeaten! Awesome! Let's get Kansas back on our schedule. Bring 'em on.
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 8, 2016 22:49:41 GMT -5
I heard La Salle's players are all 8 ft tall, run 100 mph, eat lightening and crap thunder. We're doomed... why even show up to play?
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Post by hoyaboya on Dec 8, 2016 23:01:23 GMT -5
If we somehow were to go 6-4 against those five teams and still finish 9-9, that means we went 3-5 against DePaul, St. John's, Prov, and SHU. That wouldn't exactly fit the profile of a tournament team. If we're good enough to get those 5-6 wins from the first group, we damn well better be good enough to go at least 5-3 or 6-2 against the second group. And if we're on the bubble come Selection Sunday (and right now, I doubt that we'll get there), the garbage loss against Ark State can and will be held against us. Arkansas State may very well end up being an RPI loss under 100 or even under 75 if they keep up their play. So it won't hurt nearly as much numerically as we first feared. Arkansas State is currently KenPom #169. Little chance that ends up being a good loss.
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Post by numbaonehoyafan on Dec 9, 2016 9:54:39 GMT -5
Lasalle stays in attack mode.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 9, 2016 10:01:29 GMT -5
Lasalle stays in attack mode. Okay...is that meant to be a good, bad, or neutral thing?
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Dec 9, 2016 10:17:28 GMT -5
Arkansas State may very well end up being an RPI loss under 100 or even under 75 if they keep up their play. So it won't hurt nearly as much numerically as we first feared. Arkansas State is currently KenPom #169. Little chance that ends up being a good loss. Agree. Won't be a good loss. Just potentially not as bad a loss RPI wise as you might think.
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Post by rockhoya on Dec 9, 2016 10:21:18 GMT -5
Arkansas State may very well end up being an RPI loss under 100 or even under 75 if they keep up their play. So it won't hurt nearly as much numerically as we first feared. Arkansas State is currently KenPom #169. Little chance that ends up being a good loss. Give it a rest....
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Post by aleutianhoya on Dec 9, 2016 11:18:23 GMT -5
Arkansas State may very well end up being an RPI loss under 100 or even under 75 if they keep up their play. So it won't hurt nearly as much numerically as we first feared. Arkansas State is currently KenPom #169. Little chance that ends up being a good loss. We'll know in the next few weeks. They play at Minnesota and home to Alabama (the latter is a bad team but still, obviously, a major conference team) and a decent Tennessee-Martin team all in the next two weeks.
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Post by lichoya68 on Dec 9, 2016 12:22:43 GMT -5
OK MUST WIN MUST BEAT LASALLE WHOLE SEASON HERE imo CAUSE CUSE NEXT THERE SO MUST WIN AND THATS THE STORY
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