Obamacare-What lies ahead

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Can anybody explain to me how that makes sense in any way?

Recap:

1) Leadership still doesn't have a bill

2) They will be writing the bill over lunch

3) Vote is tomorrow.

4) That's ok, because it doesn't matter what's in it

[hoyainspirit]

Jul 27, 2017 11:23:52 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Can anybody explain to me how that makes sense in any way?

Recap:

1) Leadership still doesn't have a bill

2) They will be writing the bill over lunch

3) Vote is tomorrow.

4) That's ok, because it doesn't matter what's in it

After 7 years of voting to repeal, they're writing the health care bill over lunch! They have no idea how to govern. The bumbling incompetence of this Republican Congress is stunning!

[SSHoya]

Jul 27, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

Jul 27, 2017 11:23:52 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Can anybody explain to me how that makes sense in any way?

Recap:

1) Leadership still doesn't have a bill

2) They will be writing the bill over lunch

3) Vote is tomorrow.

4) That's ok, because it doesn't matter what's in it

After 7 years of voting to repeal, they're writing the health care bill over lunch! They have no idea how to govern. The bumbling incompetence of this Republican Congress is stunning!

Any shock that the party that hates government is an abject failure at governing??

[hoyainspirit]

Jul 27, 2017 13:23:48 GMT -5 SSHoya said:

Jul 27, 2017 13:07:25 GMT -5 hoyainspirit said:

After 7 years of voting to repeal, they're writing the health care bill over lunch! They have no idea how to govern. The bumbling incompetence of this Republican Congress is stunning!

Any shock that the party that hates government is an abject failure at governing??

Unfortunately, none at all!

[TC]

So "skinny repeal" is all a ploy to get the Senate to pass a bill they don't like or want as law under the guise of "getting to conference committee", while the House immediately passes it and turns it into law? House members don't care, they're gerrymandered in. Republicans lying to Republicans!

It's almost like you should actually legislate and follow procedure in good faith to avoid getting screwed.

[SSHoya]

Revenge is a dish best served cold. McCain votes no scuttling the "skinny repeal".

GOP proves itself a fraud "led" by a con man who is mentally unfit to be President of the United States.

Their latest effort to redraw the ACA failed after Sen. John McCain’s decision to side with two other Republicans against President Trump and GOP leaders. The Arizona Republican, diagnosed with brain cancer last week, returned to Washington on Tuesday and delivered a stirring address calling for a bipartisan approach to overhauling the ACA, while criticizing the process that produced the current legislation.

www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/senate-gop-leaders-work-to-round-up-votes-for-modest-health-care-overhaul/2017/07/27/ac08fc40-72b7-11e7-8839-ec48ec4cae25_story.html?utm_term=.057d501ecbe9

[tashoya]

As crass as this is going to sound, how long will it be until Trump starts blaming brain cancer for McCain's decision?

Kudos to Senator McCain for following through on a promise instead of taking a legislative "win" in its stead:

Skinny repeal fell short because it fell short of our promise to repeal & replace Obamacare w/ meaningful reform t.co/tZISIvccOO
— John McCain (@senjohnmccain) July 28, 2017

Remember when this sort of statement was more the norm than the exception? As thankful as I am to Senator McCain, I'm disturbed by the fact that the vote was 49-51. As egregiously bad as the attempt at repeal was, it still had 49 votes of support and there aren't many more John McCain's coming through the door. I hope that statement McCain made both with his vote and with his focus considering his personal health situation gives at least a handful of politicians a reminder of what the job is and what principles mean. That act by the Senator reminded me of the McCain of a decade ago.

[Nevada Hoya]

I just sent Sen. Lisa Murkowski, C'80 a thank you note for her vote.

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2018 campaign message: We drove up your premiums out of spite, but more liberal tears....

[tashoya]

What new health care bill? Are they going to craft a new one over brunch tomorrow?

Instead of threatening people into passing something that has failed multiple times, how about listening to the American people? According to most polls, the majority of Americans don't want the current plan repealed in favor of whatever crap these people keep throwing against the wall in hopes that it'll stick. You lost, you orange infant. Again. Get the memo already and start serving the interests of the people you're supposed to be representing.

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Jul 29, 2017 22:10:35 GMT -5 tashoya said:

What new health care bill? Are they going to craft a new one over brunch tomorrow?

Instead of threatening people into passing something that has failed multiple times, how about listening to the American people? According to most polls, the majority of Americans don't want the current plan repealed in favor of whatever crap these people keep throwing against the wall in hopes that it'll stick. You lost, you orange infant. Again. Get the memo already and start serving the interests of the people you're supposed to be representing.

He doesn't care about the interest of the American people. He is only concerned with himself and his oversized yet fragile ego.

If congress doesn't give him what he wants, he will move to the revenge stage...

[hoyainspirit]

Jul 29, 2017 22:10:35 GMT -5 tashoya said:

What new health care bill? Are they going to craft a new one over brunch tomorrow?

Instead of threatening people into passing something that has failed multiple times, how about listening to the American people? According to most polls, the majority of Americans don't want the current plan repealed in favor of whatever crap these people keep throwing against the wall in hopes that it'll stick. You lost, you orange infant. Again. Get the memo already and start serving the interests of the people you're supposed to be representing.

Republicans wage 7-year war against Obamacare on behalf of a tiny fraction of aggrieved Americans

In reality, just a tiny fraction of Americans — disproportionately young, male, healthy and middle-to-high income — has seen costs sharply increase because of Obamacare. Liberal and conservative experts alike place the number well below 10 million people — 3 percent or less of the population.

Twice that number – disproportionately poorer and less healthy people — gained insurance under Obamacare. Many received immense medical and financial benefits...

True to their anti-government ethos, Republicans disdain Obamacare on tax-and-spending grounds. But ideological complaints that its mandates inhibit freedom never achieved broad resonance. Attacks on its "job-killing" effects faded amid uninterrupted private sector employment gains since it passed.

That left out-of-pocket costs through premiums and deductibles the most potent GOP weapon – even though premiums and deductibles for most Americans were little changed by Obamacare.
In fact, Obamacare's principal impact on the bulk of the population has been political noise.

More than 90 percent of those with health insurance before Obamacare got it from employers or the government, mainly Medicare and Medicaid; their coverage didn't fundamentally change.

Premiums for employer-provided coverage increased by an annual average of 3.1 percent from 2010 and 2016 – less than they increased in the decade before Obamacare.

Obamacare required individual market policies to offer more generous benefits resembling those offered by employers. They ensured that even sick people could buy coverage, prevented insurers from charging women more than men, and limited how much more they could charge the old than the young.

Those changes significantly raised individual market premiums overall. For most purchasers, with low or moderate incomes, Obamacare subsidies reduced their costs.

[tashoya]

Jul 30, 2017 16:06:07 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Jul 29, 2017 22:10:35 GMT -5 tashoya said:

What new health care bill? Are they going to craft a new one over brunch tomorrow?

Instead of threatening people into passing something that has failed multiple times, how about listening to the American people? According to most polls, the majority of Americans don't want the current plan repealed in favor of whatever crap these people keep throwing against the wall in hopes that it'll stick. You lost, you orange infant. Again. Get the memo already and start serving the interests of the people you're supposed to be representing.

He doesn't care about the interest of the American people. He is only concerned with himself and his oversized yet fragile ego.

If congress doesn't give him what he wants, he will move to the revenge stage...

I agree with you. What confuses me is the number of people that still support him knowing exactly the same thing. Heck, even Ed's been really quiet. I'm willing to bet he finally couldn't continue to rationalize the level of cognitive dissonance any longer. I guess if someone professes to share your principles, all the while crapping all over them, it still takes one a while to realize that the actions are the truth and the hollow words (jumbled with a bunch of other hateful, stupid, offensive, lying, damaging ones) are false. Hope takes a while to be dashed.

I'm shocked that there are still the number of people supporting this person and his tactics. There are people that continue to think that Trump can "handle" China and North Korea and the Middle East. The same man that pleads with President Pena Nieto to not make him look bad for being a liar. The same man that gets ridiculed by the PM Trudeau and has no response because Trudeau is right. The same guy that is used as a punch line by the Australian PM. I'm not saying Trump should respond to every little jab (though, he does all of the time except when, as in these cases, he'll get his ass handed to him). I'm saying that the fact that the American President is a joke to those three leaders is an embarrassment because they're completely correct about this buffoon.

I chuckle, in a sad way, every time I read the title of this thread. I used to find it just funny. Now I find it sad. Because, though it hasn't happened yet, it's clear that the right is going to lie and threaten and attempt to squeeze currently insured people to force some flaming bag of crap through to replace something that the majority of the country doesn't want replaced unless it's a clear improvement over the status quo. I feel like so much of what we've seen so far is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

[SSHoya]

Interesting stats:

www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

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Aug 3, 2017 22:55:15 GMT -5 tashoya said:

Jul 30, 2017 16:06:07 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

He doesn't care about the interest of the American people. He is only concerned with himself and his oversized yet fragile ego.

If congress doesn't give him what he wants, he will move to the revenge stage...

I agree with you. What confuses me is the number of people that still support him knowing exactly the same thing. Heck, even Ed's been really quiet. I'm willing to bet he finally couldn't continue to rationalize the level of cognitive dissonance any longer. I guess if someone professes to share your principles, all the while crapping all over them, it still takes one a while to realize that the actions are the truth and the hollow words (jumbled with a bunch of other hateful, stupid, offensive, lying, damaging ones) are false. Hope takes a while to be dashed.

I'm shocked that there are still the number of people supporting this person and his tactics. There are people that continue to think that Trump can "handle" China and North Korea and the Middle East. The same man that pleads with President Pena Nieto to not make him look bad for being a liar. The same man that gets ridiculed by the PM Trudeau and has no response because Trudeau is right. The same guy that is used as a punch line by the Australian PM. I'm not saying Trump should respond to every little jab (though, he does all of the time except when, as in these cases, he'll get his ass handed to him). I'm saying that the fact that the American President is a joke to those three leaders is an embarrassment because they're completely correct about this buffoon.

I chuckle, in a sad way, every time I read the title of this thread. I used to find it just funny. Now I find it sad. Because, though it hasn't happened yet, it's clear that the right is going to lie and threaten and attempt to squeeze currently insured people to force some flaming bag of crap through to replace something that the majority of the country doesn't want replaced unless it's a clear improvement over the status quo. I feel like so much of what we've seen so far is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

There's a couple of networks that act like propagandists for the president, while simultaneously screaming "liberal media bias" or "fake news" at other news organizations for covering stories they choose to ignore, or downplay. I know you're probably shocked to learn this...

One of those news organizations most popular hosts even pushed an insane conspiracy theory, for a week, about a murdered DNC staffer on primetime television to millions of viewers. A story that has fallen apart so badly the company is being sued, yet nobody has been fired or even forced to apologize... The story appears to have been used as a diversionary tactic to shield viewers from negative stories about the President.

Yesterday when the big news hit this was the coverage breakdown:

Wall Street Journal: Grand Jury
Washington Post: Grand Jury
NY Times: Grand Jury
CBS: Grand Jury
ABC: Grand Jury
MSNBC: Grand Jury
CNN: Grand Jury
Fox News: Is Hillary Clinton a secret Isis agent. Jk Trump Rally

TBF they did cover it, but most of the coverage is focused on discrediting Mueller or claiming this is a "investigation in search of a crime" (witch hunt). So a lot of this stuff gets ignored or massaged and presented in a manner to be made less significant.

Just Sean accusing a Republican Bush appointee, who was CIA director after 911, a criminal with 0 evidence.

So it's not shocking to me a lot of his core supporters are sticking with him in this environment. That being said, fewer people are identifying as Republicans according to recent polling by Nate Silver and others...

Less people identifying as Republican...Why Trump’s Base of Support May Be Smaller Than It Seems nyti.ms/2vBdbvn

[hoyarooter]

I suggest a campaign be commenced to change the name of Fox News to Fake News.

[tashoya]

Aug 4, 2017 9:52:01 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

Aug 3, 2017 22:55:15 GMT -5 tashoya said:

I agree with you. What confuses me is the number of people that still support him knowing exactly the same thing. Heck, even Ed's been really quiet. I'm willing to bet he finally couldn't continue to rationalize the level of cognitive dissonance any longer. I guess if someone professes to share your principles, all the while crapping all over them, it still takes one a while to realize that the actions are the truth and the hollow words (jumbled with a bunch of other hateful, stupid, offensive, lying, damaging ones) are false. Hope takes a while to be dashed.

I'm shocked that there are still the number of people supporting this person and his tactics. There are people that continue to think that Trump can "handle" China and North Korea and the Middle East. The same man that pleads with President Pena Nieto to not make him look bad for being a liar. The same man that gets ridiculed by the PM Trudeau and has no response because Trudeau is right. The same guy that is used as a punch line by the Australian PM. I'm not saying Trump should respond to every little jab (though, he does all of the time except when, as in these cases, he'll get his ass handed to him). I'm saying that the fact that the American President is a joke to those three leaders is an embarrassment because they're completely correct about this buffoon.

I chuckle, in a sad way, every time I read the title of this thread. I used to find it just funny. Now I find it sad. Because, though it hasn't happened yet, it's clear that the right is going to lie and threaten and attempt to squeeze currently insured people to force some flaming bag of crap through to replace something that the majority of the country doesn't want replaced unless it's a clear improvement over the status quo. I feel like so much of what we've seen so far is going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.

There's a couple of networks that act like propagandists for the president, while simultaneously screaming "liberal media bias" or "fake news" at other news organizations for covering stories they choose to ignore, or downplay. I know you're probably shocked to learn this...

One of those news organizations most popular hosts even pushed an insane conspiracy theory, for a week, about a murdered DNC staffer on primetime television to millions of viewers. A story that has fallen apart so badly the company is being sued, yet nobody has been fired or even forced to apologize... The story appears to have been used as a diversionary tactic to shield viewers from negative stories about the President.

Yesterday when the big news hit this was the coverage breakdown:

Wall Street Journal: Grand Jury
Washington Post: Grand Jury
NY Times: Grand Jury
CBS: Grand Jury
ABC: Grand Jury
MSNBC: Grand Jury
CNN: Grand Jury
Fox News: Is Hillary Clinton a secret Isis agent. Jk Trump Rally

TBF they did cover it, but most of the coverage is focused on discrediting Mueller or claiming this is a "investigation in search of a crime" (witch hunt). So a lot of this stuff gets ignored or massaged and presented in a manner to be made less significant.

Just Sean accusing a Republican Bush appointee, who was CIA director after 911, a criminal with 0 evidence.

So it's not shocking to me a lot of his core supporters are sticking with him in this environment. That being said, fewer people are identifying as Republicans according to recent polling by Nate Silver and others...

Less people identifying as Republican...Why Trump’s Base of Support May Be Smaller Than It Seems nyti.ms/2vBdbvn

Fair enough but check the Gallup poll on Republican's job approval rating of Trump:

www.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx

The cancer has metastasized well beyond the Oval if that is any indication. What's the "come to Jesus" moment for these people if it hasn't happened yet? We've had plenty of "Jesus Christ" moments with this president and few on the right side of the aisle, apparently, have been swayed. His approval numbers overall keep sinking and, yet, these people are still in his sinking boat paddling like crazy with his supporters saying that his boat is more buoyant than any boat that's ever set sail. Bizarro world we're living in. I'm sure there are plenty of horrible people on both sides of the aisle as there are in every facet of life. But to have that percentage of people approve of this ignoramus and have these be our elected officials, to me, is a gigantic problem. If things were to have been flipped and Hillary was an absolute disaster, yet other Dems were still clinging to her flaming parachute, I'd be equally enraged. Where did the sense of duty and having a backbone go? I get that it's all about re-election but damn. Who would want to be re-elected to this dumpster fire? It's like a UMCP victory party without the booze but with all of the couch burning and property damage inflated by a circumference of about 25,000 miles.

[SSHoya]

Aug 4, 2017 19:37:57 GMT -5 hoyarooter said:

I suggest a campaign be commenced to change the name of Fox News to Fake News.

Speaking of Fox News, the hits just keep on coming!

thehill.com/homenews/media/345424-fox-news-host-eric-bolling-sent-lewd-photos-to-female-co-workers-report

Classic Fox News hypocrite:

Bolling on Anthony Weiner: 'He Is a Sick Human Being'

insider.foxnews.com/2017/05/19/eric-bolling-anthony-weiner-guilty-plea-huma-abedin-filing-divorce

[hoyainspirit]

Top Democratic, Republican health experts agree on this plan to fix Obamacare

The big deal here is who now supports that plan. The group includes both Democrats who advocated vociferously for Obamacare’s passage and Republicans who have served in previous administrations or advised recent presidential candidates, and who have argued for scrapping much or all of the law. It’s not a bunch of centrist health policy experts. In fact, those who began the effort specifically wanted to avoid a centrist effort. They felt it was important to have experts who are generally divided on health care issues. If that group could come together, then Congress might have a shot too.

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Study: Trump actions trigger health premium hikes for 2018

www.apnews.com/cc6b335865e24a4b843dc0e2c4cc6c7a?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

The Trump administration’s own actions are triggering double-digit premium increases on individual health insurance policies purchased by many consumers, a nonpartisan study has found.

But on top of that, the researchers found the mixed signals from the administration account for some of the higher charges. Those could increase before enrollment starts Nov. 1.

“The vast majority of companies in states with detailed rate filings have included some language around the uncertainty, so it is likely that more companies will revise their premiums to reflect uncertainty in the absence of clear answers from Congress or the administration,” the report said. Once premiums are set, they’re generally in place for a whole year.

Insurers who assumed that Trump will make good on his threat to stop billions in payments to subsidize copays and deductibles requested additional premium increases ranging from 2 percent to 23 percent, the report found.

Insurers who assumed the IRS under Trump will not enforce unpopular fines on people who remain uninsured requested additional premium increases ranging from 1.2 percent to 20 percent.

“In many cases that means insurers are adding double-digit premium increases on top of what they otherwise would have requested,” said Cynthia Cox, a co-author of the Kaiser report. “In many cases, what we are seeing is an additional increase due to the political uncertainty.”

That doesn’t sound like what Trump promised when he assumed the presidency.

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Nice...