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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 27, 2017 18:39:33 GMT -5
Multiple choice question. When President Trump is confronted with his previous statements relating to Medicaid, he will say:
A. The bills offered by Congress are the best we can hope to achieve. Things change, and we can't always honor the promises we make in a campaign.
B. You people actually believed what I said about Medicaid? What a bunch of saps. There's one born every minute. What other stories do you want to hear? How about this one? I hate Putin.
C. I never said that. Fake news. The crooked media (oh, and by the way, thanks, CNN) is persecuting me.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 27, 2017 18:42:48 GMT -5
Honest question from one who thinks both Obamacare and this proposed plan suck. Of those 22 million, how many would be voluntarily uninsured as a matter of choice? For what it's worth, I saw numbers indicating that 15 million would drop from the Medicaid rolls by 2026 - I'm guessing very few of those would be voluntary. Not sure about the other 7M. That said, I'm always amazed that this is actually part of the conversation. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there are tens of millions of people out there saying "You know what I don't want? Health insurance. Not a worthwhile investment for me." It seems like a pretty naive line of thinking. And if the viability of such a significant piece of legislation is dependent on tens of millions of people making naive decisions about their personal well-being, that seems like a pretty shaky foundation. I don't know what the numbers are but I would think there would be a very large group of young people just starting out that would make the decision not to have health insurance as an expenditure not high on their priority list. |
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 27, 2017 18:44:34 GMT -5
Where are the Americans in the Congress? Where are those sincerely saying "let's work it out together?" Let's stop demonizing each other, including on this board, and start working toward an improved health system for Democrats and Republicans. This is a bill that was written in a back room, that will have no amendments, no debate, has gone through no committees, will be passed on the barest of party line margins, and has been snuck in through reconciliation. And you're blaming Democrats for a lack of bipartisanship for a process they have been shut out from entirely. Unreal. Wherein my post did I blame the Democrats? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 18:58:06 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I saw numbers indicating that 15 million would drop from the Medicaid rolls by 2026 - I'm guessing very few of those would be voluntary. Not sure about the other 7M. That said, I'm always amazed that this is actually part of the conversation. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there are tens of millions of people out there saying "You know what I don't want? Health insurance. Not a worthwhile investment for me." It seems like a pretty naive line of thinking. And if the viability of such a significant piece of legislation is dependent on tens of millions of people making naive decisions about their personal well-being, that seems like a pretty shaky foundation. I don't know what the numbers are but I would think there would be a very large group of young people just starting out that would make the decision not to have health insurance as an expenditure not high on their priority list. And if we lived in any other developed country in the world, they wouldn't have to even make that choice. Between climate change and health care, it's amazing how the right wing in the US can be so sure that they're right and literally everyone else in the world is wrong. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 27, 2017 19:32:31 GMT -5
"If they would denounce repeal...". The Republicans campaigned on the promise to repeal Obamacare, so Schumer's offer to negotiate has a big "if" attached so it becomes merely a nothing soundbite. If he had said the Dems would work with the Repubs without that "if" to improve health care, it might be worth considering. As you pointed out earlier in the thread, they haven't repealed the ACA, they just weakened it.. So Denounce or abandon, really what's the difference? I have a bridge to sell you, if you think this about a promise to repeal.. This is about tax reform or as the O'Jays famously sang "Money, money money, money, money.. www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/what-delaying-affordable-care-act-repeal-means-tax-reformThe baseline: The ACA taxes create yet another problem for GOP leaders. They had hoped to repeal the levies, which under current law will raise about $1 trillion over the next decade, before tackling a tax bill. Why? Because they have promised that any 2017 tax bill will not increase the deficit and a $1 trillion ACA tax cut would lower Congress’s official revenue baseline, making it easier for lawmakers to pass a tax cut that they can claim meets that target of revenue-neutrality.
However, if the ACA taxes are not repealed first, the higher revenue baseline makes a big tax cut much tougher. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 20:37:48 GMT -5
Multiple choice question. When President Trump is confronted with his previous statements relating to Medicaid, he will say: A. The bills offered by Congress are the best we can hope to achieve. Things change, and we can't always honor the promises we make in a campaign. B. You people actually believed what I said about Medicaid? What a bunch of saps. There's one born every minute. What other stories do you want to hear? How about this one? I hate Putin. C. I never said that. Fake news. The crooked media (oh, and by the way, thanks, CNN) is persecuting me. I'll go with C but he only does interviews on Fox and he's had 1 press conference since he's been President. Odds are he never gets asked about it. How does Fox manage to score so many interviews with the Pres? It is a mystery... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:02:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 10:16:12 GMT -5
"If they would denounce repeal...". The Republicans campaigned on the promise to repeal Obamacare, so Schumer's offer to negotiate has a big "if" attached so it becomes merely a nothing soundbite. If he had said the Dems would work with the Repubs without that "if" to improve health care, it might be worth considering. Doesn't sound like a guy who wants to go there... Sounds more like a guy who has to be forced to go there... |
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Post by TC on Jun 28, 2017 14:15:48 GMT -5
That's the most unconvincing bluff I have ever seen, and I've seen my kids claim they have six aces. Neither party has any room to work with each other on health care thanks to how insane Republicans went in 2009 on this. McConnell even approaches Schumer on this, he'd be tarred and feathered.
Fundamentally I don't even understand why McConnell even sees saying that as a threat - why would Trump even care if McConnell did work with Schumer? He doesn't care what they pass, he just wants to slap his name on a health care bill like Trump Steaks or Trump Water or whatever.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 28, 2017 18:15:11 GMT -5
Hey, you with the orange hair, put that coffee down. But wait, is that really Alec Baldwin talking to Alec Baldwin? |
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Post by tashoya on Jun 28, 2017 21:26:32 GMT -5
Tired of the "winning" yet? Honest question from one who thinks both Obamacare and this proposed plan suck. Of those 22 million, how many would be voluntarily uninsured as a matter of choice? That's a valid question. One to which I'd be interested in knowing the answer. Also a question that I have very little faith that the current administration is asking as part of their determination of the best possible plan for the greatest number of people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 10:08:12 GMT -5
Under the radar:
1) Senate blocked giving Obama 1 billion in opiod funding all last year while their Presidential candidate exploited the issue and said only he could fix. Same Presidential candidate now POTUS is floating funds he promised as a bargaining chip/bribe for moderate Senators...
2) House sued The White House on CSR payments in 2015, claiming the WH was illegally funding them. They won said legislation. Now to win votes they are offering more CSR money and to fund it until 2019....
Obamacare with less care and more tax cuts for the wealthy...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 5:58:21 GMT -5
So instead of the BEST healthcare or the GREATEST healthcare. We're going for NO healthcare.
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At 6:19 am ET, Ben Sasse touts "REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date" on fox and friends; at 6:37 am ET, Trump embraces idea on Twitter........
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 30, 2017 18:33:32 GMT -5
So instead of the BEST healthcare or the GREATEST healthcare. We're going for NO healthcare. ______ At 6:19 am ET, Ben Sasse touts "REPEAL, and then REPLACE at a later date" on fox and friends; at 6:37 am ET, Trump embraces idea on Twitter........ Every time you think that the Repubs could not possibly come up with a worse idea, they top themselves. |
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jul 1, 2017 17:45:43 GMT -5
Remind me, how'd that Sequester thing work out?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 9:41:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 14:44:54 GMT -5
Despite what is being said publicly according to this report from HHS Secretary Tom Price's Department, the ACA is not in a "death spiral" and is working as intended... Akward LAT: Under Secretary Tom Price, the department has been a fount of anti-ACA rhetoric. But in an annual report about the ACA’s risk-management provisions issued Friday, Health and Human Services established that the key programs are “working as intended,” protecting insurers from unexpectedly large risks and moderating premiums for consumers. Not only that, the data “would seem to refute the commonly held belief that the marketplace population is becoming sicker,” observes health economist Timothy Jost, writing in Health Affairs. In fact, according to the figures from 2016 in the latest report, the customer base is getting healthier and the risk pools have been stabilizing. Link to the Report: www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-Stabilization-Programs/Downloads/Summary-Reinsurance-Payments-Risk-2016.pdfReleased: June 30, 2017 "Both the transitional reinsurance program and the permanent risk adjustment program are working as intended in compensating plans that enrolled higher-risk individuals, thereby protecting issuers against adverse selection within a market within a state and supporting them in offering products that serve all types of consumers. " — Department of Health and Human Services |
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 5, 2017 18:55:04 GMT -5
Despite what is being said publicly according to this report from HHS Secretary Tom Price's Department, the ACA is not in a "death spiral" and is working as intended... Akward LAT: Under Secretary Tom Price, the department has been a fount of anti-ACA rhetoric. But in an annual report about the ACA’s risk-management provisions issued Friday, Health and Human Services established that the key programs are “working as intended,” protecting insurers from unexpectedly large risks and moderating premiums for consumers. Not only that, the data “would seem to refute the commonly held belief that the marketplace population is becoming sicker,” observes health economist Timothy Jost, writing in Health Affairs. In fact, according to the figures from 2016 in the latest report, the customer base is getting healthier and the risk pools have been stabilizing. Link to the Report: www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Programs-and-Initiatives/Premium-Stabilization-Programs/Downloads/Summary-Reinsurance-Payments-Risk-2016.pdfReleased: June 30, 2017 "Both the transitional reinsurance program and the permanent risk adjustment program are working as intended in compensating plans that enrolled higher-risk individuals, thereby protecting issuers against adverse selection within a market within a state and supporting them in offering products that serve all types of consumers. " — Department of Health and Human Services Just a couple more alternative facts in the America in which we live these days. I don't want to say that if Trump and his lackeys say it it must be false, because that wouldn't be fair. On the other hand, there are still millions out there who believe that if Trump and his lackeys say it, it must be true. And that, to quote our Twitterer in Chief, is SAD. |
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Post by tashoya on Jul 5, 2017 20:39:51 GMT -5
I think the fact that our president lies consistently is, surprisingly, less bothersome than the fact that he states "facts" about things about which he actually knows very little and doesn't care to know much about. Health care and insurance are only two of a long list of things about which he, very obviously, has very little knowledge. Lucky for him, many of his supporters seem to be in the same boat. In the absence of a reliable opposing voice (fake news!), his rings loudest and many people, apparently, buy his brand of BS.
We're living in interesting times when the Canadian Prime Minister is openly taking shots at the POTUS and the current administration really has no rebuttal as Trudeau is both correct and among a growing group of foreign leaders that are on a similar page with regard to our current leadership.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 10:26:25 GMT -5
"Look, I didn’t expect Donald Trump to win, I think most of my colleagues didn’t, so we didn’t expect to be in this situation.”
— Sen. Pat Toomey (R-PA), explaining on ABC27 why Republicans have struggled to come up with a new health care bill.
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