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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 8:48:48 GMT -5
Then:
Now:
Trump repeatedly promised no cuts to Medicaid, SS, and Medicare. He also promised to lower everyone's premiums and increase benefits.
He lied.
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Post by prhoya on Jun 23, 2017 9:13:33 GMT -5
But, her e-mails...
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 23, 2017 16:40:43 GMT -5
It must be made clear now, however, that this proposal retains many of the fundamental defects of the House of Representatives-passed health care legislation, and even further compounds them. It is precisely the detrimental impact on the poor and vulnerable that makes the Senate draft unacceptable as written. www.usccb.org/news/2017/17-111.cfm
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Post by tashoya on Jun 23, 2017 21:18:33 GMT -5
Once again, the President makes a mockery of both those that elected him and those that still believe in his professed policies. His approval of this plan couldn't be more clearly opposed to the platform he ran upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 11:55:45 GMT -5
A Conman's quest to dupe American voters in 4 parts:
2013
The truth...
2015-16
All lies...
2017
Still telling a huge Lie...
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Reality...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 10:55:19 GMT -5
When your so jealous of Obama you have to take credit for calling the bill you support "mean" ftw...
It's also the truest statement Trump has made since he was sworn in. It is mean.....
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 25, 2017 11:16:42 GMT -5
Repubs had seven years or so of promising to repeal Obamacare. There is no excuse not to have had a replacement with enough Repub support to pass ready for enactment. Shabby leadership. Pelosi and Reid would have demanded loyalty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 12:01:45 GMT -5
This is another bold faced lie.... None of what he said is true
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 10:46:00 GMT -5
If the patient you're centered around is a wealthy donor in need of a tax cut...
"Patient Centered"...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 12:29:10 GMT -5
This "patient centered" provision allows a person who might have hit hard times/lost their job etc.. the freedom to be denied/barred from having insurance for 6 months...
A great way to drive down cost is to allow sick people to get sicker while they wait 6 months for the opportunity to purchase insurance and see a doctor....
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 26, 2017 15:38:29 GMT -5
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Post by tashoya on Jun 26, 2017 18:01:18 GMT -5
Tired of the "winning" yet?
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 26, 2017 18:55:45 GMT -5
I am dead set against government-run health care and was strongly against Obamacare but, thanks to Judge Roberts, it became law. With that, it became an entitlement you can't take away. So that ship has sailed.
I think most people, Democrat or Republican, know Obamacare needs improvement or it will collapse upon premiums too high to keep it afloat. But there are too few Americans in the Congress and, by that I mean people willing to put on their American hats and take off their partisan hats. Republicans say they must repeal Obamacare while Democrats say maybe they would alter Obamacare.
The Republican health bill, however it ends up, will retain a great deal of what is in Obamacare so, in effect, it is a modified Obamacare. They just can't say so.
Where are the Americans in the Congress? Where are those sincerely saying "let's work it out together?" Let's stop demonizing each other, including on this board, and start working toward an improved health system for Democrats and Republicans.
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Post by Elvado on Jun 26, 2017 19:20:41 GMT -5
Tired of the "winning" yet? Honest question from one who thinks both Obamacare and this proposed plan suck. Of those 22 million, how many would be voluntarily uninsured as a matter of choice?
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 26, 2017 19:25:14 GMT -5
I am dead set against government-run health care and was strongly against Obamacare but, thanks to Judge Roberts, it became law. With that, it became an entitlement you can't take away. So that ship has sailed. I think most people, Democrat or Republican, know Obamacare needs improvement or it will collapse upon premiums too high to keep it afloat. But there are too few Americans in the Congress and, by that I mean people willing to put on their American hats and take off their partisan hats. Republicans say they must repeal Obamacare while Democrats say maybe they would alter Obamacare. The Republican health bill, however it ends up, will retain a great deal of what is in Obamacare so, in effect, it is a modified Obamacare. They just can't say so. Where are the Americans in the Congress? Where are those sincerely saying "let's work it out together?" Let's stop demonizing each other, including on this board, and start working toward an improved health system for Democrats and Republicans. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/16/chuck-schumer-invites-gop-open-talks-health-care/“We believe we all owe it to our constituents to meet to discuss your potential legislation that would profoundly impact so many American lives,” Mr. Schumer, New York Democrat, wrote to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/325709-schumer-after-gop-bill-pulled-trump-administration-incompetentSchumer reiterated that Democrats would work with Republicans if they abandon plans to repeal ObamaCare, which was signed into law seven years ago this week.
"What we said, we stand by. If they would denounce repeal ... then we'll work with them on improving [ObamaCare] and making it better. But they can't continue to want to repeal," he said.
He added that Republicans are "very good at criticizing. They're not very good at governing."
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 7:41:12 GMT -5
Tired of the "winning" yet? Honest question from one who thinks both Obamacare and this proposed plan suck. Of those 22 million, how many would be voluntarily uninsured as a matter of choice? For what it's worth, I saw numbers indicating that 15 million would drop from the Medicaid rolls by 2026 - I'm guessing very few of those would be voluntary. Not sure about the other 7M. That said, I'm always amazed that this is actually part of the conversation. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there are tens of millions of people out there saying "You know what I don't want? Health insurance. Not a worthwhile investment for me." It seems like a pretty naive line of thinking. And if the viability of such a significant piece of legislation is dependent on tens of millions of people making naive decisions about their personal well-being, that seems like a pretty shaky foundation.
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Post by TC on Jun 27, 2017 7:50:11 GMT -5
Where are the Americans in the Congress? Where are those sincerely saying "let's work it out together?" Let's stop demonizing each other, including on this board, and start working toward an improved health system for Democrats and Republicans. This is a bill that was written in a back room, that will have no amendments, no debate, has gone through no committees, will be passed on the barest of party line margins, and has been snuck in through reconciliation. And you're blaming Democrats for a lack of bipartisanship for a process they have been shut out from entirely. Unreal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 7:58:31 GMT -5
Dude, c'mon.... There has to be more to conservative policies than Obama bad. No Obama = good. People are scared and this is all your offering? If that's the case just call it Trumpcare and work to improve it. I don't think he would care tbh. If your policy is so good, don't run when questioned, tell us why it's good. ___________ CBO: 4 million would lose employer-provided insurance under Senate GOP ObamaCare bill hill.cm/rVKx7VV
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 10:38:45 GMT -5
FreedomWorks, Senate Conservative Fund etc...
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 27, 2017 18:36:56 GMT -5
I am dead set against government-run health care and was strongly against Obamacare but, thanks to Judge Roberts, it became law. With that, it became an entitlement you can't take away. So that ship has sailed. I think most people, Democrat or Republican, know Obamacare needs improvement or it will collapse upon premiums too high to keep it afloat. But there are too few Americans in the Congress and, by that I mean people willing to put on their American hats and take off their partisan hats. Republicans say they must repeal Obamacare while Democrats say maybe they would alter Obamacare. The Republican health bill, however it ends up, will retain a great deal of what is in Obamacare so, in effect, it is a modified Obamacare. They just can't say so. Where are the Americans in the Congress? Where are those sincerely saying "let's work it out together?" Let's stop demonizing each other, including on this board, and start working toward an improved health system for Democrats and Republicans. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/16/chuck-schumer-invites-gop-open-talks-health-care/“We believe we all owe it to our constituents to meet to discuss your potential legislation that would profoundly impact so many American lives,” Mr. Schumer, New York Democrat, wrote to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell.thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/325709-schumer-after-gop-bill-pulled-trump-administration-incompetentSchumer reiterated that Democrats would work with Republicans if they abandon plans to repeal ObamaCare, which was signed into law seven years ago this week.
"What we said, we stand by. If they would denounce repeal ... then we'll work with them on improving [ObamaCare] and making it better. But they can't continue to want to repeal," he said.
He added that Republicans are "very good at criticizing. They're not very good at governing.""If they would denounce repeal...". The Republicans campaigned on the promise to repeal Obamacare, so Schumer's offer to negotiate has a big "if" attached so it becomes merely a nothing soundbite. If he had said the Dems would work with the Repubs without that "if" to improve health care, it might be worth considering.
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