All Votes Matter

[EasyEd]

May 22, 2017 10:06:52 GMT -5 TC said:

May 22, 2017 8:02:44 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

Insultingly you ask if I had read the article. Did you? No matter your spin, the article says that no state does a better job of discouraging people from voting than New York. Of course all of New York's motives are pure but not those ignorant Southerners.

I disagree with pretty much only one word you've written here - it's not "insultingly" (I seriously question whether you read the article), it's "ignorant". The NC GOP (or Alabama, or Texas, etc) isn't ignorant when they're trying to disenfranchise black voters. Ignorant means you lack awareness. They absolutely know what they are doing and are doing it with intent - don't take my word for it, that's what the courts have decided.

The thesis of the article seems to be this though : "A more effective approach to guaranteeing voting rights for all Americans would treat all states equally, by setting minimum access standards and barring states from falling -- or remaining -- below them."

Big government conservatism to try to protect and obfuscate systemic discrimination.

The title of this thread is "All Votes Matter". Not only those considered to have resulted from minority suppression. I made a valid point after reading and intelligently understanding it. For whatever reason more obstacles are presented by New York than any other state. Now stop lecturing me for being ignorant or lacking of awareness (code word for racist?) because you want me to address an issue I have no intention of addressing. My issue concerns New York.

[tashoya]

May 22, 2017 12:55:19 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

May 22, 2017 10:06:52 GMT -5 TC said:

I disagree with pretty much only one word you've written here - it's not "insultingly" (I seriously question whether you read the article), it's "ignorant". The NC GOP (or Alabama, or Texas, etc) isn't ignorant when they're trying to disenfranchise black voters. Ignorant means you lack awareness. They absolutely know what they are doing and are doing it with intent - don't take my word for it, that's what the courts have decided.

The thesis of the article seems to be this though : "A more effective approach to guaranteeing voting rights for all Americans would treat all states equally, by setting minimum access standards and barring states from falling -- or remaining -- below them."

Big government conservatism to try to protect and obfuscate systemic discrimination.

The title of this thread is "All Votes Matter". Not only those considered to have resulted from minority suppression. I made a valid point after reading and intelligently understanding it. For whatever reason more obstacles are presented by New York than any other state. Now stop lecturing me for being ignorant or lacking of awareness (code word for racist?) because you want me to address an issue I have no intention of addressing. My issue concerns New York.

Ignorant was the word you used. TC disagreed with its usage (correctly so) but did not use it to describe you.

[SSHoya]

May 22, 2017 12:55:19 GMT -5 EasyEd said:

May 22, 2017 10:06:52 GMT -5 TC said:

I disagree with pretty much only one word you've written here - it's not "insultingly" (I seriously question whether you read the article), it's "ignorant". The NC GOP (or Alabama, or Texas, etc) isn't ignorant when they're trying to disenfranchise black voters. Ignorant means you lack awareness. They absolutely know what they are doing and are doing it with intent - don't take my word for it, that's what the courts have decided.

The thesis of the article seems to be this though : "A more effective approach to guaranteeing voting rights for all Americans would treat all states equally, by setting minimum access standards and barring states from falling -- or remaining -- below them."

Big government conservatism to try to protect and obfuscate systemic discrimination.

The title of this thread is "All Votes Matter". Not only those considered to have resulted from minority suppression. I made a valid point after reading and intelligently understanding it. For whatever reason more obstacles are presented by New York than any other state. Now stop lecturing me for being ignorant or lacking of awareness (code word for racist?) because you want me to address an issue I have no intention of addressing. My issue concerns New York.

Right on cue the Supreme Court weighs in striking down NC's redistricting scheme which improperly relied upon race:

But the justices declared North Carolina had relied too heavily on race in their efforts to “reshuffle,” in the words of Justice Elena Kagan, voters from one district to another. They were unanimous in rejecting one of the districts, and split 5 to 3 on the other.

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-rules-race-improperly-dominated-nc-redistricting-efforts/2017/05/22/c159fc70-3efa-11e7-8c25-44d09ff5a4a8_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_court-1150a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.48034cef2f41

Nothing to see here. . .

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/05/22/republican-redistricting-is-taking-a-beating-in-the-courts-again/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_court-1150a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.73a03c8c4b93

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Makes sense because you need to know party id and voting history because..... Because.... bec... idk... anyone?


Bill Kristol‏Verified account @billkristol 8h8 hours ago

Are conservatives in Congress, who once would have been hostile to such a request by a White House, fine with this?

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Nice....

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Reminder that our tax dollars and the will of Government will be bent because the President lied and said 3 million people voted illegally with no evidence.

Reminder that if this was Obama doing this you would be screaming about tyranny and Presidential overreach... Prime example of the hypocrisy

All those Dems in Mississippi, Texas, Arizona, Utah, Montana, Tennessee etc.. Funny I thought Republicans stood for small government and states rights but clearly they just stand for whatever Trump says he is for at the moment...

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Maryland rejects Trump request for voter info: We won't indulge in "fantasy" that he won the popular vote hill.cm/6ZGeM0z

Maine Secretary of State, who serves on Trump election commission, refuses to turn over voter data to Kris Kobach. 40+ states now resisting

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Who said Trump isn't a unifier.....

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A Wisconsin Republican Looks Back With Regret at Voter ID and Redistricting Fights

Republican efforts to impose voter ID laws and redraw election districts both wound up in federal court. Dale Schultz ended 30 years in state politics lamenting the recent displays of partisanship.

www.propublica.org/article/a-wisconsin-republican-looks-back-with-regret-at-voter-id-and-redistricting?utm_source=pardot&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailynewsletter

ProPublica: You were initially in favor of Republican efforts to tighten voting and reconfigure districts. What first appealed to you about those ideas?

Dale Schultz: Well, the blunt truth is, as a partisan politician, your knee-jerk reaction is to protect the standing of your party because that solidifies your power to accomplish what you want to do. My good friend and former colleague, Tim Cullen, also served as Senate majority leader but on the Democrat side, and we’ve said we’re both guilty of voting for redistricting maps which were politically motivated. This isn’t a one party sin. It happens on both sides, and that’s why we introduced our bipartisan bill to change how we redistrict in Wisconsin. I’m happy the U.S. Supreme Court has agreed to take up the issue this falL

The Republicans pushing the voter ID effort cited voter fraud as a concern and a reason to tighten voting rules and requirements. Did anyone ever show you compelling evidence of that?

No, in fact, quite the opposite. Some of the most conservative people in our caucus actually took the time to involve themselves in election-watching and came back and told other caucus members that, “I’m sorry, I didn’t see it.”

In terms of voting laws, look, I don’t have a fundamental problem with having to show a photo ID in order to vote, but what I do have a problem with are the severe restrictions on what kind of photo ID is allowed and also using these laws to suppress the votes of specific groups.

Anyway, I ultimately ordered my staff to launch our own investigation and come up with three concrete examples of voter fraud in Wisconsin. Well, guess what? They couldn’t do it, and you need to understand the time, I had graduates from the University of Wisconsin journalism school on staff who’d worked for national publications. But we did come up with two examples. One was a Republican legislative staffer who’d voted in the Madison area as well as back in her hometown in the same election. The other was the estranged wife of a Republican. That’s it, and both examples were on the Republican side.

Did you ever raise the lack of evidence with your Republican colleagues?


I asked my colleagues to show me three specific examples, and all I got was a bunch of hand-wringing and drama-filled speeches about the “buses of Democrats being brought up from Chicago.” I said, “Show me where that was ever prosecuted or even charges brought.” It was crickets. Nobody could give me an answer, and that was both an eye-opening and sad moment for me because I think it finally hit me that time-honored tradition of the “Institution of the Senate” was all but dead.

[tashoya]

Honesty is refreshing, isn't it?

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44 now

Typical.....

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[SSHoya]

Jul 15, 2017 9:56:32 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

The White House on Thursday made public a trove of emails it received from voters offering comment on its Election Integrity Commission. The commission drew widespread criticism when it emerged into public view by asking for personal information, including addresses, partial social security numbers and party affiliation, on every voter in the country.

It further outraged voters by planning to post that information publicly.

www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/14/white-house-releases-sensitive-personal-information-of-voters-worried-about-their-sensitive-personal-information/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_voter-info-945pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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State and local Republicans have expanded early voting in GOP-dominated areas and restricted it in Democratic areas, an IndyStar investigation has found, prompting a significant change in Central Indiana voting patterns.

From 2008 to 2016, GOP officials expanded early voting stations in Republican dominated Hamilton County, IndyStar's analysis found, and decreased them in the state's biggest Democratic hotbed, Marion County.

That made voting more convenient in GOP areas for people with transportation issues or busy schedules. And the results were immediate.

Most telling, Hamilton County saw a 63 percent increase in absentee voting from 2008 to 2016, while Marion County saw a 26 percent decline. Absentee ballots are used at early voting stations.

Other Central Indiana Republican strongholds, including Boone, Johnson and Hendricks counties, also have added early voting sites — and enjoyed corresponding increases in absentee voter turnout.

But not Marion County, which tends to vote Democratic, and has a large African-American population.


During that same 2008-16 period, the number of early voting stations declined from three to one in Marion County, as Republican officials blocked expansion.

www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/08/10/silencing-vote-data-shows-unequal-barrier-indiana-polls/435450001/


There's a board of 3 that votes, and it has to be unanimous to expand early voting locations. Board consists of a clerk, and a representative of each party. In each instance the Republican in this one particular county, that has a large minority population, (Marion County) has voted no. Why? They offer no explanation.

There's 1 polling location for over 700,000 residence in this county. In every other county in the state the largest ratio you will find is 1/7th of that, 1-100,000. Why aren't Republicans for expanding voter access to all Americans? Why do they feel they need to restrict access in certain parts of the state that are less friendly to their message and increase access in areas where they are more friendly? It really is a headscratcher

I'm sorry but this is disgraceful.

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Kris Kobach Election Integrity Commission Chairman writing error filled articles on Breitbart about voter fraud. Making the claim Trump would have won New Hampshire.... If students didn't vote...

Kobach'sarticle relies on the idea that voters are breaking the law by not applying for an in-state license. In NH they don't require you to have state ID to vote.

90% of the people he alleged were fraudulent based on the state their ID were issued from lived in College towns ....

Shouldn't the head of the "Election Integrity Commission" at least do basic fact checking before making such a claim? Maybe that's why this article is in Breitbart instead of the WSJ, but it did make it's way to FoxNews...

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[badgerhoya]

As long as we're talking about him...

www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobachs-lucrative-trail-of-courtroom-defeats

[hoyarooter]

Aug 9, 2018 21:03:19 GMT -5 @yaboynyp said:

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Wow, imagine that. Republican, thy name is hypocrite.

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All votes matter. And some matter so much that Kris Kobach counts them twice.