EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 20, 2016 18:50:47 GMT -5
I do not believe what you say to be true. I presented evidence for my claim, can you provide some for your's that all these things are equal? Sorry, you presented anecdotal information, mixed with opeinio, authored by someone with an agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 0:42:07 GMT -5
I presented evidence for my claim, can you provide some for your's that all these things are equal? Sorry, you presented anecdotal information, mixed with opeinio, authored by someone with an agenda. I'm a bit confused by your description can you be more specific? Are court opinions, leaked documents and direct quotes from operatives considered anecdotal? You mentioned illegals voting is fraud. I think everyone agrees but can you show evidence this is currently occurring in any sort of volume? How would that occur, or how does that occur?
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 21, 2016 19:10:19 GMT -5
Sorry, you presented anecdotal information, mixed with opeinio, authored by someone with an agenda. I'm a bit confused by your description can you be more specific? Are court opinions, leaked documents and direct quotes from operatives considered anecdotal? You mentioned illegals voting is fraud. I think everyone agrees but can you show evidence this is currently occurring in any sort of volume? How would that occur, or how does that occur? Yes they are anecdotal in that it is merely an accumulation of several items and opinions without showing any information that disagrees with it. Illegals voting as fraud: one way it could occur is for the President once again to overstep his constitutional authority and issue an Executive Order. Or what is to prevent the governor of Virginia from, by edict as he did with those who had committed felony, doing the same for illegals?
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Post by tashoya on Sept 21, 2016 21:07:42 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused by your description can you be more specific? Are court opinions, leaked documents and direct quotes from operatives considered anecdotal? You mentioned illegals voting is fraud. I think everyone agrees but can you show evidence this is currently occurring in any sort of volume? How would that occur, or how does that occur? Yes they are anecdotal in that it is merely an accumulation of several items and opinions without showing any information that disagrees with it. Illegals voting as fraud: one way it could occur is for the President once again to overstep his constitutional authority and issue an Executive Order. Or what is to prevent the governor of Virginia from, by edict as he did with those who had committed felony, doing the same for illegals? He asked whether you had evidence and you responded with less than anecdotal evidence. You came up with a paranoid scenario that doesn't exist. Also, the "by edict" part is misleading. It was upheld by the state supreme court and, prior to that, it was in the power of the governor to restore those rights. www.governing.com/topics/elections/tns-virginia-mcauliffe-court-voting-felons.html
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2016 9:46:51 GMT -5
Disgraceful...
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Oct 16, 2016 19:05:51 GMT -5
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Post by eagle54 on Oct 16, 2016 19:07:41 GMT -5
It is disgraceful but what more would we expect from an unfit candidate who will try to burn everything down rather than lose gracefully.
It's a sign of the times and a really sad one.
Let's hope this election will begin a reset in politics and the country as it's long overdue.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 7:52:28 GMT -5
The leader of the Republican Party says "Of course there's large scale voter fraud" and polling stations are rigged. Anybody have any evidence to support these claims?
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Oct 17, 2016 8:23:22 GMT -5
The leader of the Republican Party says "Of course there's large scale voter fraud" and polling stations are rigged. Anybody have any evidence to support these claims? He hasn't needed facts or evidence for anything he's said up until this point. Why would he start now? The people supporting him certainly aren't demanding it.
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 17, 2016 10:02:14 GMT -5
The states of Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Arizona all have Republican governors. Trump trails in three of the these four states, and the fourth (Arizona) is now a statistical dead heat. He's claiming voter fraud in these states with state houses that are controlled by his own party?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 10:54:42 GMT -5
The leader of the Republican Party says "Of course there's large scale voter fraud" and polling stations are rigged. Anybody have any evidence to support these claims? He hasn't needed facts or evidence for anything he's said up until this point. Why would he start now? The people supporting him certainly aren't demanding it. It's just so disappointing. He's whipping these people into a frenzy. I saw a poll today 81% of his voters (41% overall) think if he lose the election will have been stolen from him. It's terrible for our Democracy.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 17, 2016 11:16:29 GMT -5
That is almost as bad as a Republican campaign office being firebombed and CNN blaming Trump.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 17, 2016 11:24:51 GMT -5
He hasn't needed facts or evidence for anything he's said up until this point. Why would he start now? The people supporting him certainly aren't demanding it. It's just so disappointing. He's whipping these people into a frenzy. I saw a poll today 81% of his voters (41% overall) think if he lose the election will have been stolen from him. It's terrible for our Democracy. Disappointing is a very kind way to characterize it.
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Post by EtomicB on Oct 17, 2016 11:40:26 GMT -5
That is almost as bad as a Republican campaign office being firebombed and STELTER from CNN blaming Trump. Fixed it for you..
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Post by SSHoya on Oct 17, 2016 12:07:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:19:51 GMT -5
That is almost as bad as a Republican campaign office being firebombed and CNN blaming Trump. Which is almost as bad as blaming it on "Animals representing Hillary Climton" without any evidence ...
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Oct 17, 2016 13:23:59 GMT -5
That is almost as bad as a Republican campaign office being firebombed and CNN blaming Trump. Which is almost as bad as blaming it on "Animals representing Hillary Climton" without any evidence ... Which is more likely true in your estimation? Just curious
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 13:38:58 GMT -5
Which is almost as bad as blaming it on "Animals representing Hillary Climton" without any evidence ... Which is more likely true in your estimation? Just curious ?? :/ I think Secretary Clinton's response is appropriate, I think Trumps is not... I have no idea what the point of your question is
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Oct 17, 2016 14:01:04 GMT -5
My question is which is more likely. That Trump caused his or Someone supporting Hillary did this?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Oct 17, 2016 14:27:50 GMT -5
Even assuming for the sake of argument this was the act of someone that supports Hillary Clinton, that fact would completely miss the point. First, there's a big difference between "someone supporting Hillary" (your hypothetical) and Trump's accusation that it was the act of "animals representing" Hillary and her party. Supporters (or voters) don't "represent" merely by the act of supporting. Trump's statement accuses Hillary of essentially causing the attack, but she can't be held responsible simply because it is someone who may vote for her that did this. Second, she immediately and completely repudiated the action! That's called being responsible. And even if it turned out that it was one of her supporters -- and heck, even if it turned out that it was someone that claimed to "represent" her -- you can be darned sure she'd repudiate that support and representation.
Trump is turning this entire episode on its head, predictably. He's the one using it as a political point and political prop -- not her.
I think it's completely fair to say that the vitriol in this election -- vitriol that any fair-minded person would lay at the feet of Donald Trump -- has created an atmosphere where someone may think an action like this is justified. Is it justified? Of course not. Is Trump somehow more to blame than the idiots and criminals that did this? No, clearly. But this simply wouldn't have happened if this were a Clinton vs. Rubio contest.
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