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Post by TC on Oct 26, 2016 11:23:55 GMT -5
We have so many 2018 open scholarships that we have to use the one remaining for 2017. There's absolutely no reason to push it off to 2018. I'd understand pushing it off for a grad / transfer / JUCO if we can't land a target, but there's no reason to push the final scholarship to 2018.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Oct 26, 2016 11:29:36 GMT -5
Agree although we can and should be selective, not feel forced to use it if there just isn't anyone out there whom we think could help us (did someone say"project"??).
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Post by TC on Oct 26, 2016 11:38:52 GMT -5
If I'm reading the chart right, if we push the one open 2017-2018 off to 2018-2019, we have 7 scholarships in that 2018-2019 class. That's a huge roster balance issue and way too many new players.
It's one scholarship, given the momentum we have right now and the facilities opening, we should be able to nail down a target. If we can nail down a PF/C for 2017-2018, that seems like it'd be the best case possible.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 26, 2016 11:45:36 GMT -5
I firmly believe that if we can find a quality player in the class of 2017 that they should get the scholarship. That would certainly include Brown, and I have no idea who else might pop up by the spring. In my mind, the graduate transfer market is not something you "leave" a scholarship for (unless you legitimately cannot find a good recruit and feel it's better to leave the scholarship open).
Graduate transfers are growing and I do not expect that to stop anytime soon, but keep in mind that the number of quality graduate transfers is pretty small. I really think we were fortunate to land Pryor, who was easily one of the best ones available. And, of course, we should alway seek to add a quality transfer if one exists, but I still don't think it's something that we can even remotely count on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2016 12:14:06 GMT -5
There's no prospect on the radar other than Brown worthy of that Scholarship right now. They need to land an impact player or a big with significant upside with that last scholarship imo.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Oct 26, 2016 12:29:40 GMT -5
There's no prospect on the radar other than Brown worthy of that Scholarship right now. They need to land an impact player or a big with significant upside with that last scholarship imo. This^. All in on brown, or else wait on it. I would think landing an elite big in 18 is a much more attainable goal, since they now know Waters will be creating for the bigs...we've landed elite bigs with much less to sell them on!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Oct 26, 2016 12:31:27 GMT -5
There's no prospect on the radar other than Brown worthy of that Scholarship right now. They need to land an impact player or a big with significant upside with that last scholarship imo. In that case, I say Brown or wait.
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Post by dense on Oct 26, 2016 18:05:54 GMT -5
If I'm reading the chart right, if we push the one open 2017-2018 off to 2018-2019, we have 7 scholarships in that 2018-2019 class. That's a huge roster balance issue and way too many new players. It's one scholarship, given the momentum we have right now and the facilities opening, we should be able to nail down a target. If we can nail down a PF/C for 2017-2018, that seems like it'd be the best case possible. you assume 7 freshman which is a bad assumption in todays NCAA
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Post by prhoya on Oct 26, 2016 19:17:46 GMT -5
If I'm reading the chart right, if we push the one open 2017-2018 off to 2018-2019, we have 7 scholarships in that 2018-2019 class. That's a huge roster balance issue and way too many new players. It's one scholarship, given the momentum we have right now and the facilities opening, we should be able to nail down a target. If we can nail down a PF/C for 2017-2018, that seems like it'd be the best case possible. you assume 7 freshman which is a bad assumption in todays NCAA What a great base to attract a great group! Sophomores Waters and Walker, Junior Mosely, Seniors Marcus (if here), Govan (if here) and Kaleb. Talk about great pt for some freshmen studs! The question is what happens if Marcus and Jessie can make the jump? We're looking at too many freshmen, but led by a great group of leaders. We need more experience. All of the top teams are filling holes and balancing rosters with available college/grad recruits and it's an opportunity to balance the roster by adding someone else to Mosely's class.
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Post by wnyhoya on Oct 26, 2016 21:38:33 GMT -5
Guys between this season and next season's surefire runs to the Final Four, we'll be back at the top of the heap of college basketball with Dook and UK and we'll just end up filling the '18 class with 5 star one and done talent like they do. No need for experience. One can dream, can't he? 😂
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Oct 27, 2016 0:16:57 GMT -5
I don't know who will be the next recruit, but I sure do like the new attitude of the coaching staff in regards to recruiting.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 7, 2016 19:25:00 GMT -5
So do we think for 2017 at this point its wait and see until the summer?
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 7, 2016 19:27:54 GMT -5
So do we think for 2017 at this point its wait and see until the summer? Basically. Keep an eye on any decommits that we could use or any late bloomers. More importantly watch transfers, especially centers with high potential that just were at the wrong school. Then prepare for a monster 2018 class.
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Post by s4hoyas on Nov 7, 2016 21:31:19 GMT -5
"Wait and see" until next summer?...no way...always be recruitin', cause you never know when you're gonna stumble upon somebody like Eric "Sleepy" Floyd.
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Post by dense on Nov 8, 2016 6:16:05 GMT -5
"Wait and see" until next summer?...no way...always be recruitin', cause you never know when you're gonna stumble upon somebody like Eric "Sleepy" Floyd. any senior that hasnt blown up will be open until spring time. if someone does we will be there.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 8, 2016 7:24:46 GMT -5
A surprise early 2018 commitment would be a nice holiday gift.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 8, 2016 7:31:09 GMT -5
I believe that there are strong 2017s out there, but the staff can and should be very selective about who they choose to offer. If that does not work out, there should be transfers and JuCos in the Spring, as well as perhaps decommits. Good look for the Hoyas.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 8, 2016 11:06:43 GMT -5
A surprise early 2018 commitment would be a nice holiday gift. McCormack or Keldon Johnson would be awesome and my guesses for a next commit prior to the postseason transfer market...those appear to be the top 2 targets that they're currently working. Could potentially add Kiyon Boyd to that list.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 11:36:36 GMT -5
A surprise early 2018 commitment would be a nice holiday gift. McCormack or Keldon Johnson would be awesome and my guesses for a next commit prior to the postseason transfer market...those appear to be the top 2 targets that they're currently working. Could potentially add Kiyon Boyd to that list. Would love to see McCormack be the next commit, but I don't know his timeline. Still thinking we'll take 1 more for '17 and I don't even have a guess on that right now. McCormack, Johnson, and Boyd would be a monster class. Consider this '18-'19 lineup: Waters Mosely K. Johnson Derrickson Govan Boyd K. Johnson McCormack Walker '17 or '18 Guard Even if you expect an early exit from Marcus or Jessie, that'd still be a formidable lineup. Wouldn't want to lose both before then, but...
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Post by RBHoya on Nov 8, 2016 14:18:47 GMT -5
When you go into the spring period with obvious needs, you're operating from a position of weakness. You have to hope that things break your way, that a player who fits the need emerges, or that the coaching carousel breaks your way, and that you can actually land a high major-caliber player, since bigger fish like UK or KU may be looking to plug some holes as well. It's a tough spot and so for a lot of teams at a comparable level to Georgetown I think the odds of "reaching" are increased. Without any stats to back it up I'd guess that the odds of a spring signing transferring after a year or two due to lack of playing time are greater than those of a fall signing.
But, if you go into the spring period with open scholarships and without any truly glaring needs, you're in a position of strength. You can be choosy and go after guys in the top 150 who are still uncommitted (ie. Aaron Bowen), or a late bloomer who emerged from obscurity (ie. Brad Hayes, Greg Whittington, Moses Ayegba), or a guy who gets out of his LoI because of a coaching change, or a 5th year/transfer who can play immediately (ie. Pryor or Julian Vaughn), or a JuCo that emerges, or even a transfer that has to sit out a year. There are a lot of different avenues available and if you're not locked in to needing a certain position or type of player right away, you can pursue a few of those options and nab the best available player.
With the commitment of Waters and Walker, I tend to think we're in the second group and that's a positive thing. We needed a point guard/creator and we got one, we needed to start replenishing our depth at forward and we did. Now we can just see what plays out over the next several months and be active on any high level player regardless of position. Given that the we only had one real 4-year recruit last year, I think we'd be well-served to bring in at least one more guy in 2017, but who it might be or at what position will depend on who actually emerges and who our new staff has connections with.
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