SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on May 25, 2017 10:25:00 GMT -5
Only thing I can think regarding LSU in the mix is Will Wade talking about how he used JeQuan Lewis the last couple years at VCU. Very much a ball dominant PG in an up-tempo offense.
Considering there has been no real news on this for well over a month, and all of the various lists, leans, favorites raised over that period have been based on reading tea leaves, and not new information, I think that at this point the ONLY thing we really know is that Tremont still has a committable offer from Georgetown. Besides that, for all we know he could be strongly considering Pepperdine, or considering jumping to the Slovenian League. What seems clear is that no one really knows who else is really involved here, and whether the Hoyas are still in the picture.
I still believe Waters would be an excellent addition to next years' squad, but I'm with the rest in just sort of wanting this to be over.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 25, 2017 10:28:18 GMT -5
Interesting post from UCONN fan board (The Boneyard): "Who knows, but if there is any truth to the thing going around The Boneyard about his father wanting a guaranteed average number of shots per game, then that would be a deal breaker for me. He could be awesome or not, but we can't have that kind of handshake deal. Tremont's Dad may be overplaying his hand badly for his son. There was talk he might decide before his graduation this weekend, so perhaps it will end soon (thankfully). He could be great at UConn, but it seems that ship may have sailed." the-boneyard.com/threads/wku-making-a-hard-push-for-tremont-waters.112235/page-7
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TC
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Post by TC on May 25, 2017 10:30:14 GMT -5
We got shots to go around galore. Come on down Tremont!
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 25, 2017 10:39:19 GMT -5
Interesting post from UCONN fan board (The Boneyard): "Who knows, but if there is any truth to the thing going around The Boneyard about his father wanting a guaranteed average number of shots per game, then that would be a deal breaker for me. He could be awesome or not, but we can't have that kind of handshake deal. Tremont's Dad may be overplaying his hand badly for his son. There was talk he might decide before his graduation this weekend, so perhaps it will end soon (thankfully). He could be great at UConn, but it seems that ship may have sailed." the-boneyard.com/threads/wku-making-a-hard-push-for-tremont-waters.112235/page-7Um, you don't need a guarantee to get shots for the Hoyas next year. There is nobody else around to take the shots. On our roster as currently formulated no body can create their own shot. Jesse & MD can be great inside & out but they are hardly off the bounce type guys. Caleb could get there with some work and so could MOsely but they weren't there last year and neither had a reliable shot to force people to defend them outside. Mourning may or may not be on the team, Dickerson is a transfer and Mulmore can't shoot and struggled finishing. Without an explicit guarantee the kid would easily average 8 to 10 shots in all likelihood with us. That being said, WTF. Who does this? There is no way Patrick Ewing is guaranteeing shots to any recruit.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 25, 2017 10:40:16 GMT -5
We got shots to go around galore. Come on down Tremont! That's what I say. I double dare him to come on down. Only thing is you have to make at least 75% of the shots you do take.
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TC
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Post by TC on May 25, 2017 10:51:01 GMT -5
Without an explicit guarantee the kid would easily average 8 to 10 shots in all likelihood with us. That being said, WTF. Who does this? There is no way Patrick Ewing is guaranteeing shots to any recruit. Multiply your guesstimate by 2 I think, and that's not counting possessions where he dishes out an assist or goes to the line.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on May 25, 2017 11:31:04 GMT -5
I say make him the guarantee. For his freshman year only. We ain't winning anyway
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RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on May 25, 2017 11:34:26 GMT -5
LSU?...I don't know that he's ever even mentioned them, let alone visited them...bad location, bad academics, bad basketball...if that happens something ain't right so I'm having a hard time believing it... Lol, you were still buying into the "academics" stuff even when the other two schools on the list were UConn and Western Kentucky? IMHO, never buy "academics" as a factor in a major recruitment. I'd say in about 98% of players it's just lip service. There are a small handful who do care, but in general kids in the top 150 envision themselves making money by playing ball, and they want to go somewhere where there's a coach who will ready them. Academics is MAYBE a tiebreaker at most, but pretty much never a dealbreaker. And moreso with Tremont, who has a lot of people in his ear telling him he's a one-and-done type player, or two-and-done at most. We might not think that, most objective people on the outside aren't thinking that, but his family and circle seem to be pushing that. He's going to go somewhere that gives him the best shot to get to the pros as soon as possible. This always seemed like a recruitment that was going to end up with him going somewhere totally out of left field, so the LSU smoke doesn't surprise me.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 25, 2017 11:37:11 GMT -5
Boneyard rumors are among the least reliable around. So there is that.
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Post by veilside21 on May 25, 2017 12:03:07 GMT -5
wonder why he is taking his time to decide...
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Post by s4hoyas on May 25, 2017 12:07:24 GMT -5
RB...always enjoy what you have to say...I'm not naive enough to think that when kids say that "academics" are important to them, it actually turns out to be a big factor...much more often than not, if not near universally, it turns out to be lip service and irrelevant to their final choice...I know that they all prioritize the "League"...however, Tremont is a 4.0 honor student, and he and his father have repeatedly said that academics would be 50% of their decision and that they have to give major emphasis to "life after basketball"...having said that, will I be shocked if he chooses what might be perceived as a very non academic school?...absolutely not..I'm just trying to take them at their word for now, give them the benefit of the doubt...I've been disappointed by these situations many more times than rewarded, but I'm clinging to hope...
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Post by TC on May 25, 2017 12:36:05 GMT -5
Lol, you were still buying into the "academics" stuff even when the other two schools on the list were UConn and Western Kentucky? IMHO, never buy "academics" as a factor in a major recruitment. I'd say in about 98% of players it's just lip service. There are a small handful who do care, but in general kids in the top 150 envision themselves making money by playing ball, and they want to go somewhere where there's a coach who will ready them. Ac Except that this kid signed a LOI with us based on those things when he could have gone to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, or UCONN - those were the other hats on the table in October. He signed with us coming off a year where we didn't make the tournament. So what was the selling point that brought him to Georgetown if it wasn't academics and buying into a program that supposedly had family and stability, and buying into a degree that's more valuable once the basketball is deflated? The program and the fans that made him question the family/stability part - the onus is on Georgetown on showing him that the program still represents those things. I don't think this kid or his family needs to prove anything to us.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 25, 2017 12:40:02 GMT -5
Lol, you were still buying into the "academics" stuff even when the other two schools on the list were UConn and Western Kentucky? IMHO, never buy "academics" as a factor in a major recruitment. I'd say in about 98% of players it's just lip service. There are a small handful who do care, but in general kids in the top 150 envision themselves making money by playing ball, and they want to go somewhere where there's a coach who will ready them. Ac Except that this kid signed a LOI with us based on those things when he could have gone to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, or UCONN - those were the other hats on the table in October. So what was the selling point that brought him to Georgetown if it wasn't academics and buying into a program that supposedly had family and stability? The program and the fans that made him question the family/stability part - the onus is on Georgetown on showing him that the program still represents those things. I don't think this kid or his family needs to prove anything to us. Not at all convinced he had commitable offers from Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke in the fall. In the past few weeks, Kansas, in particular, had every opportunity to re-recruit him (and if you believe the rumors, Tremont's dad was begging them to), and chose not to. Duke clearly had him as a backup plan, at best, to Trevon Duval.
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Post by TC on May 25, 2017 12:42:34 GMT -5
Except that this kid signed a LOI with us based on those things when he could have gone to Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, Duke, or UCONN - those were the other hats on the table in October. So what was the selling point that brought him to Georgetown if it wasn't academics and buying into a program that supposedly had family and stability? The program and the fans that made him question the family/stability part - the onus is on Georgetown on showing him that the program still represents those things. I don't think this kid or his family needs to prove anything to us. Not at all convinced he had commitable offers from Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke in the fall. Kansas, in particular, had every opportunity to re-recruit him (and if you believe the rumors, Tremont's dad was begging them to), and chose not to. Duke clearly had him as a backup plan, at best, to Trevon Duval. That's just utter nonsense. I'm sure he had commitable offers to those places. I don't know if he had guarantees that they wouldn't recruit over him.
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Post by 95hoya on May 25, 2017 12:46:08 GMT -5
Correct, most of those schools had higher rated options. Waters would have been a plan B or C. Indiana wanted him badly though.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 25, 2017 12:47:39 GMT -5
Correct, most of those schools had higher rated options. Waters would have been a plan B or C. Indiana wanted him badly though. Agreed, Tremont's actual options in the fall were Georgetown, UCONN, Indiana, and Yale. Pretty clear he was not a priority recruit for Kentucky, Kansas or Duke.
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Post by 95hoya on May 25, 2017 12:49:26 GMT -5
Not at all convinced he had commitable offers from Kansas, Kentucky, and Duke in the fall. Kansas, in particular, had every opportunity to re-recruit him (and if you believe the rumors, Tremont's dad was begging them to), and chose not to. Duke clearly had him as a backup plan, at best, to Trevon Duval. That's just utter nonsense. I'm sure he had commitable offers to those places. I don't know if he had guarantees that they wouldn't recruit over him. Duke and Kentucky were not pushing him for a committ. That tells you it's not a committable offer. These kids know the deal and where they are wanted. The schools that want you call you every day.
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Post by TC on May 25, 2017 12:54:57 GMT -5
We want this kid. He makes us competitive maybe next year. Why are you trying to pull revisionist nonsense to try to put him down?
#ourfansarehorrible #sitethatcostustremont
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Post by 95hoya on May 25, 2017 13:41:55 GMT -5
Who is putting him down. Just saying he could not commit to Duke or UK. He chose us over Indiana.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 25, 2017 14:02:41 GMT -5
How does his Mom feel about us?
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