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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 11:52:30 GMT -5
My understanding was that he didn't want a coach to be a lame duck in 17-18, so the decision to decommit was not about the firing but about seeing another rough season to come which could affect his visibility in the NBA market. Ewing is not a lame duck in 17-18, of course, but the specter of a poor season in 17-18 may be an issue for a number of schools on his list. For all the grumbling about Western Kentucky, know that a lot of recruits choose schools based on relationships with coaches and where they play means comparatively less. Playing in an NBA arena isn't always that big a deal--if it was, Markelle Fultz would have played at Georgetown and not Washington, where the closest NBA arena is 200 miles away. I also think that, when Waters decommitted, he rightfully felt that he had been sold a bill of goods. Yes, publicly he has stated that he didn't like JT3 being in a lame duck situation. However, he also had just watched a season in which Georgetown didn't play significantly faster and allow guards much more freedom than they had previously - essentially, JT3 hadn't moved away from the Princeton offense and instituted a more attractive, guard-friendly style, which he told Waters he was going to do prior to the 2016-2017 season. Additionally, when Waters committed, Isaac Copeland was still on the roster and the Hoyas were in play for a number of big-time recruits like Troy Brown. The potential 2017-2018 roster looked a lot more competitive when Waters made his commitment than it did when Waters decommitted. Right now, Western Kentucky has a much more attractive team for 2017-2018 than the Hoyas do. From a pure basketball standpoint as well as putting Waters in a position to look good, Western Kentucky makes a lot of sense. Education, location, conference, etc. - not so good. But the reality is the blue bloods haven't prioritized him and it's clear that most top programs have been scared off/don't want to deal with his situation. There's no reason to believe this is true other than you saying it might be. It also contradicts the words that have come out of his own mouth....
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Post by s4hoyas on May 19, 2017 11:53:45 GMT -5
I don't agree that he was "sold a bill of goods" by JT3...I think initially JT3 intended to run the more uptempo offense, and really step it up upon Tremont's arrival...he knew full well what he was getting in Tremont...however, after Tremont commited and once JT3 could assess his team's strengths/weaknesses, he realized that he didn't have the weapons/guard play to run that type of offense...I think his decommitment had to do more with the losing season and the swirling controversy concerning JT3's situation, which created instability in his mind...To me, that issue has been settled with Patrick's arrival and familiarity with uptempo/NBA offense...
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Post by TC on May 19, 2017 12:11:56 GMT -5
I don't agree that he was "sold a bill of goods" by JT3...I think initially JT3 intended to run the more uptempo offense You keep repeating and repeating this crap and in every interview he's said he asked for his release because he was concerned about coaching stability. There's absolutely no evidence that style of play had anything to do with this.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 19, 2017 13:14:04 GMT -5
I don't agree that he was "sold a bill of goods" by JT3...I think initially JT3 intended to run the more uptempo offense, and really step it up upon Tremont's arrival...he knew full well what he was getting in Tremont...however, after Tremont commited and once JT3 could assess his team's strengths/weaknesses, he realized that he didn't have the weapons/guard play to run that type of offense...I think his decommitment had to do more with the losing season and the swirling controversy concerning JT3's situation, which created instability in his mind...To me, that issue has been settled with Patrick's arrival and familiarity with uptempo/NBA offense... Every indication is that Waters wanted to "remove" (to use his word) himself from Georgetown because of the coaching situation and instability at Georgetown. Had we made the NCAA tournament, or even finished over .500, the fan discontent would have been decreased, and I am pretty confident JT3 would have remained, along with Waters. From Waters' perspective, at the time of his decommitment: (1) We were coming off a horrible season, (2) the fan base was clamoring for JT3's ouster, and (3) while JT3 did not necessarily look imminently in danger, there was a good chance that even if he remained, the next year would be tumultuous. In that sense, I cannot blame Waters at all for decommiting. Does Ewing solve the instability problem? Absolutely. I guess the question next becomes, did Waters commit to JT3 more than Georgetown? Maybe. We really have no idea. But, if he was mostly interested in the institution of Georgetown above all else, it seems like he would likely come anyway, even with Ewing. It would also make sense for him to look harder at Georgetown if he truly is thinking of this as a lifetime decision, rather than a short-term one (this is what his father says). Really, the only compelling reason to go to WKU is that they will very likely be better than us for one year. That's about it.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 19, 2017 14:19:11 GMT -5
Thanks for highlighting the conclusive statement of my thread...evidently, TC either didn't care to finish reading it or was just too quick to "judging" the first part of it, about which (the uptempo offense) he said there is no evidence...he's dead wrong. JT3 told numerous supporters at or around the beginning of the season that he intended to a more uptempo offense coming off the 15-18 season...soon thereafter Waters commited shortly after his visit...do you not think he told Waters the same thing in his recruitment, that he was a super quick, penetrating/dishing prototypical point guard that would be the leader of such an offense next year? If so, I'll have some of what you're smoking...although he said (as I concluded) that the coaching instability was the primary reason for his decommitment, do you think he would have even agreed to a meeting with PE if PE had indicated that he was going to chuck the idea of an uptempo/NBA style offense, and go back to the Princeton style?
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Post by hoyaboya on May 19, 2017 14:19:42 GMT -5
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Post by BeantownHoya on May 19, 2017 14:45:04 GMT -5
I prefer we focus out attention on Parket Stewart at this point....
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 19, 2017 15:58:06 GMT -5
I prefer we focus out attention on Parket Stewart at this point.... Does anyone know if we have re-engaged with Stewart?
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Post by TC on May 19, 2017 16:02:52 GMT -5
Last two 247 crystal balls have him going to UCONN, PE needs to get in there and close the deal.
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Post by hoyas4lyfe on May 19, 2017 16:05:34 GMT -5
I prefer we focus out attention on Parket Stewart at this point.... Does anyone know if we have re-engaged with Stewart? He hasn't been released from his LOI so I don't think he can start being recruited again yet but I'm not sure.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 19, 2017 17:37:32 GMT -5
Tremont is quoted as saying that Coach Ewing was saying the same thing that JTIII was saying that they'd run an uptempo offense, run a bit more, etc. Whether he was actually sold a bill of goods isn't known because he never actually played for him. Tremont appears to have really liked JTIII
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 19, 2017 17:38:22 GMT -5
Does anyone know if we have re-engaged with Stewart? He hasn't been released from his LOI so I don't think he can start being recruited again yet but I'm not sure. You're right, I just assumed he was already released, didn't pay attention!
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Post by swhoya on May 19, 2017 20:51:05 GMT -5
Tremont appears to have really liked JTIII Maybe this is all it comes down to. He hasn't committed anywhere yet, not because of academics or style of play or media exposure or any of the 9500 guesses (and that's all they are) that have been made here. Maybe he had a coach be liked and now he's waiting to see who he builds a relationship with now. Yes, also a guess. But at least it would give us a chance.
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Post by dchoya72 on May 19, 2017 22:42:39 GMT -5
The thing is, if he is or was coming to Gtown, Summer School starts soon, and I some how think that incoming BB players attend summer session. From observation over the years, the longer this message trail becomes the more unsuccessful the outcome. If other schools operate like Gtown he has to enroll somewhere soon. LOL!
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2017 7:03:34 GMT -5
Tremont appears to have really liked JTIII Maybe this is all it comes down to. He hasn't committed anywhere yet, not because of academics or style of play or media exposure or any of the 9500 guesses (and that's all they are) that have been made here. Maybe he had a coach be liked and now he's waiting to see who he builds a relationship with now. Yes, also a guess. But at least it would give us a chance. I'm going to go with the "hotter date who picked a hotter date" guess.
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Post by swhoya on May 20, 2017 9:01:37 GMT -5
Maybe this is all it comes down to. He hasn't committed anywhere yet, not because of academics or style of play or media exposure or any of the 9500 guesses (and that's all they are) that have been made here. Maybe he had a coach be liked and now he's waiting to see who he builds a relationship with now. Yes, also a guess. But at least it would give us a chance. I'm going to go with the "hotter date who picked a hotter date" guess. Clearly...you've been burned before!
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Post by prhoya on May 20, 2017 9:34:13 GMT -5
I'm going to go with the "hotter date who picked a hotter date" guess. Clearly...you've been burned before!
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Post by hoya2x2010 on May 20, 2017 13:59:12 GMT -5
Tremont appears to have really liked JTIII Maybe this is all it comes down to. He hasn't committed anywhere yet, not because of academics or style of play or media exposure or any of the 9500 guesses (and that's all they are) that have been made here. Maybe he had a coach be liked and now he's waiting to see who he builds a relationship with now. Yes, also a guess. But at least it would give us a chance. Maybe he's waiting to see where JT3 gets hired before committing there? ::ducks::
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Post by iowa80 on May 20, 2017 15:14:20 GMT -5
Maybe this is all it comes down to. He hasn't committed anywhere yet, not because of academics or style of play or media exposure or any of the 9500 guesses (and that's all they are) that have been made here. Maybe he had a coach be liked and now he's waiting to see who he builds a relationship with now. Yes, also a guess. But at least it would give us a chance. Maybe he's waiting to see where JT3 gets hired before committing there? ::ducks:: I'm thinking he probably wants to play this fall.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 20, 2017 16:27:50 GMT -5
Boom, then double boom!
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