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Post by hoyaboya on May 17, 2017 20:59:41 GMT -5
Tremont Waters, Notre Dame (New Haven, Conn.), PG The Breakdown: Waters is a crafty floor general with limitless range and the ability to create shots for himself and his teammates. Waters was originally signed to Georgetown, but received his release last month after John Thompson III was fired. Waters and Co. have been radio silent in regards to his recruitment since receiving his release. Duke was potentially an option before the Blue Devils got a commitment from No. 1 overall point guard Trevon Duval last week. The Hoyas are still pursuing Waters, who is ranked No. 32 overall, but Creighton, Western Kentucky and Connecticut are believed to have the edge at this point. usatodayhss.com/2017/four-top-40-recruits-remain-undecided-on-the-final-day-of-the-late-signing-period-mo-bamba-brian-bowen-mj-walker-tremont-waters
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 18, 2017 10:18:30 GMT -5
Like I previously stated, I never believed there was any legs with Waters and Western Kentucky. They have just got a commitment from a pretty good NY PG/Combo Guard tonight in Duarte. He is Western Kentucky's 2nd PG commit in the their 2017 class and their 6th commitment in the class, which gives them 15 players currently under scholarship (2 over the limit). As Yogi used to say It ain't over, till it's over.. Until I here of him making an official visit to Western Kentucky....SCRATCH THAT...until I here him utter his commitment to...SCRATCH THAT.....until I see him in a Western Kentucky Uniform playing a game, which won't be until next March if WK doesn't get upset in Conference USA Tournament because WK has no national televised games, I WON'T BELIEVE IT. That's part of my point. I can't see Waters who wants the attention and the opportunity to be showcased (His Words) so bad, going to a team that might have 1 or 2 games picked up late for a national audience based on how the team's doing, instead of a program that going to play in maybe the most hyped and marketed regular season tournament ever in the Phil Knight 80 Invitational and have every game on National television and not ESPN 3. I believe Creighton has more of an opportunity than Western Kentucky. Maybe Creighton has petitioned the BIG EAST or the rules to recruiting within the conferences has been amended since 2005 and we just don't know about it. If either one of those are the case, maybe he's waiting to see if Bowen goes to Creighton. Bowen's waiting to see if Alkins and others are staying in the NBA draft. All of that is more believable to me than Western Kentucky! I would believe NCST before I believe Western Kentucky. Waters because of his 5'10" stature has to play against HIGH LEVEL talent on a nightly basis to prove himself. Not going to get that much in the 1 Bid Conference USA.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 18, 2017 10:39:12 GMT -5
As Yogi used to say It ain't over, till it's over.. Until I here of him making an official visit to Western Kentucky....SCRATCH THAT...until I here him utter his commitment to...SCRATCH THAT.....until I see him in a Western Kentucky Uniform playing a game, which won't be until next March if WK doesn't get upset in Conference USA Tournament because WK has no national televised games, I WON'T BELIEVE IT. That's part of my point. I can't see Waters who wants the attention and the opportunity to be showcased (His Words) so bad, going to a team that might have 1 or 2 games picked up late for a national audience based on how the team's doing, instead of a program that going to play in maybe the most hyped and marketed regular season tournament ever in the Phil Knight 80 Invitational and have every game on National television and not ESPN 3. I believe Creighton has more of an opportunity than Western Kentucky. Maybe Creighton has petitioned the BIG EAST or the rules to recruiting within the conferences has been amended since 2005 and we just don't know about it. If either one of those are the case, maybe he's waiting to see if Bowen goes to Creighton. Bowen's waiting to see if Alkins and others are staying in the NBA draft. All of that is more believable to me than Western Kentucky! I would believe NCST before I believe Western Kentucky. Waters because of his 5'10" stature has to play against HIGH LEVEL talent on a nightly basis to prove himself. Not going to get that much in the 1 Bid Conference USA. The link I posted comes right off of the current Providence College website (friars.com). There is no provision for Creighton petitioning the conference for a waiver, and the granting of such waiver would lead to very slippery slope within the conference. In my opinion, Creighton and Western Kentucky have the same opportunity. . .zero.
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Post by s4hoyas on May 18, 2017 10:40:45 GMT -5
At the risk of repeating myself, Tremont and his father have said from the getgo that academics are half the equation when it comes to their decision...IF THAT'S TRUE, then Georgetown is clearly their best choice...plus, we give nothing away when it comes to playing time, development for the NBA, overall quality of the University, as well as more television exposure/marketing, etc. UConn has at least one player at his position (Jalen Adams), plays in an inferior conference with limited TV exposure, and doesn't have close to Georgetown's academics; I'm not sure that Creighton can take him (maybe that is part of the holdup), but why would you want to play in Omaha, Nebraska vs.Wash.,DC...plus a notch down in the academics, and Western Kentucky has virtually no TV exposure, much weaker academics, whose best recruit is likely one and done, and they reside in Bolling Green, Kentucky...
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Post by hoyazeke on May 18, 2017 17:55:40 GMT -5
Do yall no that 247 has GTown as HUGE favorites to get Tremont? Do they no something that we don't know? We are all in different stages of panic and 247 thinks we are almost certain to get the PG that we all want.....Just thought that I would put that out there.........
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 18, 2017 18:05:45 GMT -5
Do yall no that 247 has GTown as HUGE favorites to get Tremont? Do they no something that we don't know? We are all in different stages of panic and 247 thinks we are almost certain to get the PG that we all want.....Just thought that I would put that out there......... Thanks for the assurance Zeke - although 247 has been way off before!
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Post by s4hoyas on May 18, 2017 18:18:08 GMT -5
How recent is this info?
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Post by hoyazeke on May 18, 2017 18:25:43 GMT -5
Not sure but WKU is listed so it can't be but so old..........
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2017 18:27:45 GMT -5
As Yogi used to say It ain't over, till it's over.. Until I here of him making an official visit to Western Kentucky....SCRATCH THAT...until I here him utter his commitment to...SCRATCH THAT.....until I see him in a Western Kentucky Uniform playing a game, which won't be until next March if WK doesn't get upset in Conference USA Tournament because WK has no national televised games, I WON'T BELIEVE IT. That's part of my point. I can't see Waters who wants the attention and the opportunity to be showcased (His Words) so bad, going to a team that might have 1 or 2 games picked up late for a national audience based on how the team's doing, instead of a program that going to play in maybe the most hyped and marketed regular season tournament ever in the Phil Knight 80 Invitational and have every game on National television and not ESPN 3. I believe Creighton has more of an opportunity than Western Kentucky. Maybe Creighton has petitioned the BIG EAST or the rules to recruiting within the conferences has been amended since 2005 and we just don't know about it. If either one of those are the case, maybe he's waiting to see if Bowen goes to Creighton. Bowen's waiting to see if Alkins and others are staying in the NBA draft. All of that is more believable to me than Western Kentucky! I would believe NCST before I believe Western Kentucky. Waters because of his 5'10" stature has to play against HIGH LEVEL talent on a nightly basis to prove himself. Not going to get that much in the 1 Bid Conference USA. Playing devils advocate here.. Is it better to play on national tv or to play in front of NBA scouts? There's no question that the BE is the tougher league but right now there's not one player projected to be a lottery pick in the 2018 draft..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 18, 2017 18:59:18 GMT -5
Scouts are more likely to hang out at the Verizon Center than Bowling Green, no?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 18, 2017 19:41:26 GMT -5
Scouts are more likely to hang out at the Verizon Center than Bowling Green, no? If you can play, scouts will find you.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 18, 2017 20:48:13 GMT -5
Scouts are more likely to hang out at the Verizon Center than Bowling Green, no? Not with the roster of the Hoyas compared to that of Western Kentucky.
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Post by hoyainla on May 18, 2017 21:07:53 GMT -5
Do yall no that 247 has GTown as HUGE favorites to get Tremont? Do they no something that we don't know? We are all in different stages of panic and 247 thinks we are almost certain to get the PG that we all want.....Just thought that I would put that out there......... The last 247 pick for the Hoyas was in October. While I think the crystal ball is a good tool, you have to look at the timing of the picks not the total %.
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Post by dchoya72 on May 19, 2017 3:50:09 GMT -5
Don't chase...there's always another one coming!
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Post by SSHoya on May 19, 2017 5:33:56 GMT -5
Scouts are more likely to hang out at the Verizon Center than Bowling Green, no? Not with the roster of the Hoyas compared to that of Western Kentucky. Bigs is correct. Scouts can hang at VC to see the other players of the Big East, not just the Hoyas if our roster is perceived as so deficient. Would scouts rather watch the talent in the Big East or CUSA? Much more efficient use of their time and much easier to get to. (I spent a week trying a case in Bowling Green years ago and never even made it to the Corvette Museum).
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Post by hoyazeke on May 19, 2017 9:37:50 GMT -5
Do yall no that 247 has GTown as HUGE favorites to get Tremont? Do they no something that we don't know? We are all in different stages of panic and 247 thinks we are almost certain to get the PG that we all want.....Just thought that I would put that out there......... The last 247 pick for the Hoyas was in October. While I think the crystal ball is a good tool, you have to look at the timing of the picks not the total %. Yeah I didn't pay attention to the dates. Well at least it's quiet since mid-april....
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Post by OldHoyafan on May 19, 2017 9:50:02 GMT -5
I am now officially confused. I was sure Waters was waiting to see if Duke would sign Duval. The only other school on the his given list that makes since is UConn because it's his home school, but their situation has not changed since he first signed with Georgetown. There were reasons he chose Georgetown over UConn. He decommitted from Georgetown before JTIII was let go, so JTIII was not the sole reason he chose Georgetown. It could be concluded by him that it was because of his decommitment that Georgetown felt the situation at Georgetown had reached critical mass and let JTIII go. The administration and Ewing have done their due deligence to show how much the want him by changing staff and Ewing personally visiting him. He will be THE MAN when he comes here just as he would have been under JTIII. so what is the hold up?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 19, 2017 10:03:41 GMT -5
Still waiting and hoping that someone hotter will show up and invite him to the prom.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 19, 2017 10:40:11 GMT -5
I am now officially confused. I was sure Waters was waiting to see if Duke would sign Duval. The only other school on the his given list that makes since is UConn because it's his home school, but their situation has not changed since he first signed with Georgetown. There were reasons he chose Georgetown over UConn. He decommitted from Georgetown before JTIII was let go, so JTIII was not the sole reason he chose Georgetown. It could be concluded by him that it was because of his decommitment that Georgetown felt the situation at Georgetown had reached critical mass and let JTIII go. The administration and Ewing have done their due deligence to show how much the want him by changing staff and Ewing personally visiting him. He will be THE MAN when he comes here just as he would have been under JTIII. so what is the hold up? My understanding was that he didn't want a coach to be a lame duck in 17-18, so the decision to decommit was not about the firing but about seeing another rough season to come which could affect his visibility in the NBA market. Ewing is not a lame duck in 17-18, of course, but the specter of a poor season in 17-18 may be an issue for a number of schools on his list. For all the grumbling about Western Kentucky, know that a lot of recruits choose schools based on relationships with coaches and where they play means comparatively less. Playing in an NBA arena isn't always that big a deal--if it was, Markelle Fultz would have played at Georgetown and not Washington, where the closest NBA arena is 200 miles away.
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Post by hoyaboya on May 19, 2017 11:18:34 GMT -5
I am now officially confused. I was sure Waters was waiting to see if Duke would sign Duval. The only other school on the his given list that makes since is UConn because it's his home school, but their situation has not changed since he first signed with Georgetown. There were reasons he chose Georgetown over UConn. He decommitted from Georgetown before JTIII was let go, so JTIII was not the sole reason he chose Georgetown. It could be concluded by him that it was because of his decommitment that Georgetown felt the situation at Georgetown had reached critical mass and let JTIII go. The administration and Ewing have done their due deligence to show how much the want him by changing staff and Ewing personally visiting him. He will be THE MAN when he comes here just as he would have been under JTIII. so what is the hold up? My understanding was that he didn't want a coach to be a lame duck in 17-18, so the decision to decommit was not about the firing but about seeing another rough season to come which could affect his visibility in the NBA market. Ewing is not a lame duck in 17-18, of course, but the specter of a poor season in 17-18 may be an issue for a number of schools on his list. For all the grumbling about Western Kentucky, know that a lot of recruits choose schools based on relationships with coaches and where they play means comparatively less. Playing in an NBA arena isn't always that big a deal--if it was, Markelle Fultz would have played at Georgetown and not Washington, where the closest NBA arena is 200 miles away. I also think that, when Waters decommitted, he rightfully felt that he had been sold a bill of goods. Yes, publicly he has stated that he didn't like JT3 being in a lame duck situation. However, he also had just watched a season in which Georgetown didn't play significantly faster and allow guards much more freedom than they had previously - essentially, JT3 hadn't moved away from the Princeton offense and instituted a more attractive, guard-friendly style, which he told Waters he was going to do prior to the 2016-2017 season. Additionally, when Waters committed, Isaac Copeland was still on the roster and the Hoyas were in play for a number of big-time recruits like Troy Brown. The potential 2017-2018 roster looked a lot more competitive when Waters made his commitment than it did when Waters decommitted. Right now, Western Kentucky has a much more attractive team for 2017-2018 than the Hoyas do. From a pure basketball standpoint as well as putting Waters in a position to look good, Western Kentucky makes a lot of sense. Education, location, conference, etc. - not so good. But the reality is the blue bloods haven't prioritized him and it's clear that most top programs have been scared off/don't want to deal with his situation.
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