prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Apr 6, 2017 19:56:07 GMT -5
It's open season!
Pat, go get'im!
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Apr 6, 2017 19:56:49 GMT -5
1) Meeting's off 2) Georgetown granted his release prior to the meet, in an act of good faith 3) His Twitter account was hacked by Russian Syracuse fans \
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SaxaCD
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 6, 2017 20:13:21 GMT -5
1) Meeting's off 2) Georgetown granted his release prior to the meet, in an act of good faith 3) His Twitter account was hacked by Russian Syracuse fans \ Then move on quickly and find guys who really want to be here!
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 6, 2017 20:45:35 GMT -5
Hard for me to see him ending up here. We aren't returning a ton of talent and he doesn't even know what the roster is going to look like. He has no relationship with the head coach and the staff is still unknown. He's going to have plenty of suitors. Hope I'm wrong though.
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 6, 2017 20:48:27 GMT -5
I'm with Saxa on this. If Waters isn't sure this situation is the right one for him, let's move on. No need to beg. We're in rebuilding mode now, and one player isn't going to make that much of a difference at this juncture. Even if that one player is as talented as Waters is reported to be.
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 6, 2017 20:53:41 GMT -5
I'm with Saxa on this. If Waters isn't sure this situation is the right one for him, let's move on. No need to beg. We're in rebuilding mode now, and one player isn't going to make that much of a difference at this juncture. Even if that one player is as talented as Waters is reported to be. Totally agree. I think most of want him to come but it's not as if he's the missing piece that throws us over the top. Building relationships in the High school and AAU scene is more important for Ewing than keeping Tremont
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Apr 6, 2017 20:59:58 GMT -5
I'm with Saxa on this. If Waters isn't sure this situation is the right one for him, let's move on. No need to beg. We're in rebuilding mode now, and one player isn't going to make that much of a difference at this juncture. Even if that one player is as talented as Waters is reported to be. Totally agree. I think most of want him to come but it's not as if he's the missing piece that throws us over the top. Building relationships in the High school and AAU scene is more important for Ewing than keeping Tremont How is having a meeting with him begging? Why shouldn't Pat sit down, lay out his vision, and let Waters decide? Suddenly we are too good for Waters? Nonsense. Make a play. If he doesn't bite then move on. But given the interest, it's silly not to have a conversation. I don't know when having a conversation turned into begging. And if you think recruits don't need to be wooed...
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lda05816
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Post by lda05816 on Apr 6, 2017 21:05:17 GMT -5
Totally agree. I think most of want him to come but it's not as if he's the missing piece that throws us over the top. Building relationships in the High school and AAU scene is more important for Ewing than keeping Tremont How is having a meeting with him begging? Why shouldn't Pat sit down, lay out his vision, and let Waters decide? Suddenly we are full good for Waters? Nonsense. Make a play. If he doesn't bite then move on. But given the interest, it's silly not to have a conversation. I don't know when having a conversation turned into begging. And if you think recruits don't need to be wooed... He should definitely still try, no one said the meeting was begging but need to be realistic. There is so much for Ewing to do moving forward, he can't spend a large amount of time on 1 guy with the current shape of the program
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on Apr 6, 2017 21:12:47 GMT -5
How is having a meeting with him begging? Why shouldn't Pat sit down, lay out his vision, and let Waters decide? Suddenly we are full good for Waters? Nonsense. Make a play. If he doesn't bite then move on. But given the interest, it's silly not to have a conversation. I don't know when having a conversation turned into begging. And if you think recruits don't need to be wooed... He should definitely still try, no one said the meeting was begging but need to be realistic. There is so much for Ewing to do moving forward, he can't spend a large amount of time on 1 guy with the current shape of the program And I don't think anyone has said Ewing should do whatever it takes to land him, however much time or dignity it costs, and Ewing will forever be judged by his successful or failure on landing Waters (ok, maybe one person suggested that, but I'm pretty sure he was drunk. At 10 am). But while one player won't make the program, momentum and buzz build off of themselves. It'd sure be nice to get one in the bag to use to get the next recruit.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 6, 2017 21:14:09 GMT -5
Get it done Pat!
Show me what you got as a HC in recruiting talents! Hoping for the best!
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 6, 2017 22:03:12 GMT -5
Totally agree. I think most of want him to come but it's not as if he's the missing piece that throws us over the top. Building relationships in the High school and AAU scene is more important for Ewing than keeping Tremont How is having a meeting with him begging? Why shouldn't Pat sit down, lay out his vision, and let Waters decide? Suddenly we are too good for Waters? Nonsense. Make a play. If he doesn't bite then move on. But given the interest, it's silly not to have a conversation. I don't know when having a conversation turned into begging. And if you think recruits don't need to be wooed... SW, what they are saying is that we are too bad for Tremont. They're saying there is no need to waste our time because Tremont will only move us from 9th to 7th. I personally think Tremont moves us to top half, 5th or better and even more importantly, he keeps us in play for Kijon and Keldon. Man I hope there is still a crack and the door isn't completely closed....
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s4hoyas
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 6, 2017 23:32:18 GMT -5
I'd sure like to know what happened...my understanding was that Patrick had arranged/scheduled a meeting tomorrow morning with Tremont and his dad in Conn...did they cancel that meeting at the last minute and refuse to give him an opportunity to meet/discuss his vision for Tremont and the team/style of play going forward, and how his work with similar players (Kemba W.,etc) has been impactful? If so, very disappointing of the Waters...But, on the other hand, if he said he still wanted to look at his other options, but would absolutely give Patrick an opportunity to state his case once he has a few things in place, that's very different...I do know this...either way, Patrick is going to build a high level, winning basketball program because he will round up a group of warriors like himself and instill his passion into his teams.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 6, 2017 23:44:37 GMT -5
EtomicB posted this on the other thread:
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 7, 2017 7:13:45 GMT -5
I'd sure like to know what happened...my understanding was that Patrick had arranged/scheduled a meeting tomorrow morning with Tremont and his dad in Conn...did they cancel that meeting at the last minute and refuse to give him an opportunity to meet/discuss his vision for Tremont and the team/style of play going forward, and how his work with similar players (Kemba W.,etc) has been impactful? If so, very disappointing of the Waters...But, on the other hand, if he said he still wanted to look at his other options, but would absolutely give Patrick an opportunity to state his case once he has a few things in place, that's very different...I do know this...either way, Patrick is going to build a high level, winning basketball program because he will round up a group of warriors like himself and instill his passion into his teams. Hard to tell what is really going on here with Waters. Maybe he said "thanks but no thanks" to Ewing and now both parties have officially moved on and there will be no meeting. Maybe the school gave the release in advance of the meeting in a show of good faith. Like with most things involving recruiting it is really hard to know the real story from the outside. I hope Tremont and his father give Patrick a legit chance to make his case. If it works out and he comes to Georgetown, then great. If not, then everyone shakes hands and moves on.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 7, 2017 8:37:56 GMT -5
Looks pretty clear from that tweet. Waters will still meet with Ewing but also wanted his full release prior to the meeting. I can understand, he is now a free agent and Ewing is on the same footing as all other recruiters.
I am not sure Ewing can close this deal, I mean there are heavyweights involved that are going to be able to offer certainty. Ewing does not even have a staff yet. I was thinking that Solomon may hang on to his job if we get Waters, I assumed he was the lead recruiter with him at ND and then GU.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Apr 7, 2017 10:17:43 GMT -5
While it's important to try and manage expectations for next year, etc., it's a wins and losses business. We should not minimize how important it is to win as many games as we can next year. As someone previously pointed out, the extra wins send a message to other recruits that the trajectory of the program is upward and they should jump on board. So, while we should not expect Patrick to win Tremont back, that doesn't mean that winning back a very good player like Tremont isn't VERY important to the program for next year and beyond. Isn't that what recruiting is all about? You have to put in the work and make the kid's decision hard. Patrick should be camping out at Tremont's house. I don't blame Tremont for wanting his release, but I'm glad he's meeting with Patrick and that Patrick wants to meet with him. I think Patrick knows enough about recruiting to realize that he should take it seriously, but not personally. That's a good lesson for message boards too.
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wnyhoya
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 8, 2017 10:22:31 GMT -5
Soooo has anyone heard anything about this visit yesterday? Did it actually happen?
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hoyas315
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 9, 2017 16:38:52 GMT -5
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 11, 2017 12:41:11 GMT -5
Thought this was kind of interesting:
jeffborzello Jeff Borzello Four-star center Garrison Brooks told ESPN that Mississippi State has denied his release from LOI. "Coach Howland doesn't want me to leave."
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 11, 2017 13:57:54 GMT -5
Thought this was kind of interesting: jeffborzello Jeff Borzello Four-star center Garrison Brooks told ESPN that Mississippi State has denied his release from LOI. "Coach Howland doesn't want me to leave." This is a weird scenario. Brooks' father is an assistant at Mississippi State but his parents are going through a divorce currently. His mother wants him to cut off all contact with his father (including playing for him in college). Maybe if things truly get nasty, they'll release him before the year starts.
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