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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 11:28:00 GMT -5
Led by 24 points from Flo40 point guard and senior leader Tremont Waters, who was honored prior to the game for his Jordan Brand Classic invite, the Green Knights took care of West Haven, 69-54, to cap off a perfect 20-0 regular season. Of all the great things Notre Dame has accomplished so far this season, likely none of it would be possible without the 5-foot-11 Waters. A Georgetown signee, the No. 37 prospect in 2017 is fearless, scores in bunches, and gets after it on the defensive end. He is the complete package who shows out each and every night. Of course, there is still business to take care of in the playoffs, but there seemed no better way to end the regular season the way the Green Knights did. www.flohoops.com/video/1112463-flo40-guard-tremont-waters-splashes-nets-in-perfect-regular-season-at-notre-dame#.WK2634UzVFgSome HL's if you follow the link...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 24, 2017 10:35:15 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 24, 2017 10:37:59 GMT -5
Led by 24 points from Flo40 point guard and senior leader Tremont Waters, who was honored prior to the game for his Jordan Brand Classic invite, the Green Knights took care of West Haven, 69-54, to cap off a perfect 20-0 regular season. Of all the great things Notre Dame has accomplished so far this season, likely none of it would be possible without the 5-foot-11 Waters. A Georgetown signee, the No. 37 prospect in 2017 is fearless, scores in bunches, and gets after it on the defensive end. He is the complete package who shows out each and every night. Of course, there is still business to take care of in the playoffs, but there seemed no better way to end the regular season the way the Green Knights did. www.flohoops.com/video/1112463-flo40-guard-tremont-waters-splashes-nets-in-perfect-regular-season-at-notre-dame#.WK2634UzVFgSome HL's if you follow the link... Hoyas better be ready for these passes.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 24, 2017 10:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by dense on Feb 24, 2017 13:12:25 GMT -5
That pass was sick in live speed, even sicker in slow mo.
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Post by CaliHoya on Feb 24, 2017 16:15:16 GMT -5
Wow, Tremont's interview was very impressive. Just a very down-to-earth guy who genuinely seems to value Georgetown beyond basketball. As much as I'm not leaning toward moving on from JT3, if I knew 100% we'd lose Tremont by doing that, I'd keep JT3 another year.
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Post by CaliHoya on Feb 24, 2017 16:15:50 GMT -5
That being said, if Tremont really does value Georgetown's other attributes beyond bball, then it's def not 100% he goes elsewhere.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 24, 2017 16:21:43 GMT -5
Wow, Tremont's interview was very impressive. Just a very down-to-earth guy who genuinely seems to value Georgetown beyond basketball. As much as I'm not leaning toward moving on from JT3, if I knew 100% we'd lose Tremont by doing that, I'd keep JT3 another year. As much as I like Tremont and his game, a recruit is no reason to keep JT3. The issues with this program are way deeper than the absence of a serviceable PG.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 24, 2017 22:47:22 GMT -5
Wow, Tremont's interview was very impressive. Just a very down-to-earth guy who genuinely seems to value Georgetown beyond basketball. As much as I'm not leaning toward moving on from JT3, if I knew 100% we'd lose Tremont by doing that, I'd keep JT3 another year. As much as I like Tremont and his game, a recruit is no reason to keep JT3. The issues with this program are way deeper than the absence of a serviceable PG. List the issues, please.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 24, 2017 23:07:31 GMT -5
Wow, Tremont's interview was very impressive. Just a very down-to-earth guy who genuinely seems to value Georgetown beyond basketball. As much as I'm not leaning toward moving on from JT3, if I knew 100% we'd lose Tremont by doing that, I'd keep JT3 another year. As much as I like Tremont and his game, a recruit is no reason to keep JT3. The issues with this program are way deeper than the absence of a serviceable PG. Looked back to the beginning of his thread and there were about 14 pages before he verballed to Georgetown and everyone was saying he was a game changer. Most were of the opinion that the Hoya fortunes would change upon his arrival. Some thought the players were already here (Pryor,Mulmore, Moseley) to make big changes this year. Reading some of JTIII's early comments he evidently thought so too. I think he believed that the transition from the Princeton to a more faster paced open offense would begin this year. Remember all the praise he gave Mulmore for being so fast from rim to rim. What he has always underestimated was the importance of having a pg that had a good enough handle to get wherever he wanted to on the court and finish or deliver a catchable pass. This ability puts so much pressure on the defense that more than one defender would have to commit to stopping him, which would inevitably lead to an open teammate. Neither Mulmore,Mosley or Campbell can consistently do all three of these things so the faster paced offense was quickly countered by the defense getting back early and forcing the Hoyas to play half court offense. With no real pg and the losses mounting, III resorted to his security blanket, the Princeton styled offense. I and many others have noted that the present team is ill equipped to play this offense for various reasons. The offense therefore looks inept and rudderless. Waters will be that rudder next year. The leader this team desperately needs. I know that's a lot to put on a freshman, but if you look at his videos and read his statements, he and his father have been preparing him for this moment since he was four years old. I have drunk the koolaide. I believe the young man is special and I take him at his word that he has been told by JTIII that he will change the offense to fit his style of play. That means the ball in his hands at the top and middle of the court. The most important change that I think he will bring about is giving a sense of confidence to the team. We have seen this team play good defense in the Creighton, Butler and Marquette games. We have also seen them play some horrendous defense like the DePaul game. It's as though when the offense is clicking, so is their focus on defense and they play great help defense. On the flip side when the offense is stagnant, they lose focus and play matador defense. Waters is short and will be proned to post ups by bigger guards, but his hands are quick, so there will be a trade off of more steals for him. I say yes, his recruitment alone should give III another year to make the change he talked about at the beginning of this year. If the Hoyas are a fourth into the season and we are seeing Waters do spins after he brings the ball across half court with no fefender within five feet or give up the ball to a forward or center after he crosses half court and runs to a corner and stands there then we all should lead another march on Washington and seek his resignation for the sake of our beloved Hoyas.
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Post by s4hoyas on Feb 24, 2017 23:50:07 GMT -5
I generally agree with you...and I may be older than you...with one major caveat...the staff needs to bring in 1, probably 2, additional IMPACT players for '17, and they should have ample time and recourses to get that done. Hopefully (but at this point its an if) LJ returns for his senior year to lead us and leave the program on a winning note. At a minimum, we have to replace the shooting/scoring of Pryor, just as we did with DSR last year. There ought to be plenty of 5th year/juco/int'l guys to choose from...a Marcus Foster (Creighton 5th year from K State) type would be nice. I'd also like to see a 6'9+ shot blocker with upside and at least decent offensive skills to give us an added defensive presence to spell Govan...And lastly, I'd absolutely like to see an advanced off season strength and conditioning program (now that we have no facilities excuse) to develop greater strength and stamina in our players. Oh, and one more thing...a strong off season program focused on fundamentals...on court/film study of other programs that play high IQ basketball...
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 24, 2017 23:59:09 GMT -5
I generally agree with you...and I may be older than you...with one major caveat...the staff needs to bring in 1, probably 2, additional IMPACT players for '17, and they should have ample time and recourses to get that done. Hopefully (but at this point its an if) LJ returns for his senior year to lead us and leave the program on a winning note. At a minimum, we have to replace the shooting/scoring of Pryor, just as we did with DSR last year. There ought to be plenty of 5th year/juco/int'l guys to choose from...a Marcus Foster (Creighton 5th year from K State) type would be nice. I'd also like to see a 6'9+ shot blocker with upside and at least decent offensive skills to give us an added defensive presence to spell Govan... And lastly, I'd absolutely like to see an advanced off season strength and conditioning program (now that we have no facilities excuse) to develop greater strength and stamina in our players. Oh, and one more thing...a strong off season program focused on fundamentals...on court/film study of other programs that play high IQ basketball...I agree 1000% Marcus Foster isn't a 5th year guy, he should be back next season for Creighton..
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 25, 2017 1:28:52 GMT -5
I generally agree with you...and I may be older than you...with one major caveat...the staff needs to bring in 1, probably 2, additional IMPACT players for '17, and they should have ample time and recourses to get that done. Hopefully (but at this point its an if) LJ returns for his senior year to lead us and leave the program on a winning note. At a minimum, we have to replace the shooting/scoring of Pryor, just as we did with DSR last year. There ought to be plenty of 5th year/juco/int'l guys to choose from...a Marcus Foster (Creighton 5th year from K State) type would be nice. I'd also like to see a 6'9+ shot blocker with upside and at least decent offensive skills to give us an added defensive presence to spell Govan...And lastly, I'd absolutely like to see an advanced off season strength and conditioning program (now that we have no facilities excuse) to develop greater strength and stamina in our players. Oh, and one more thing...a strong off season program focused on fundamentals...on court/film study of other programs that play high IQ basketball... I used to be high on bringing in a JUCO or fifth year transfer, but now I have a different opinion. After watching the DePaul game and seeing the lackluster effort given by many of the players on defense and remembering how strong defensively JTIII's teams used to be, I started to think just when did this defensive decline start? I believe that it began with JTIII's experiment with Josh Smith for two years. I know because of mediocre recruiting, most of us thought taking a chance on Smith was worth it. III was up to this point known for his strong defensive teams. His starting lineups usually reflected who had mastered his defensive scheme and played the best defense instead of best offense. Smith's stariting changed that philosophy. His size limited his ability to hedge on the pick and role defense and his inability to cover smaller players put other players at risk tryingt to cover for him. Now III was starting a player who could not play his switching defense, but still played as many minutes his fouls would alllow him. I know this is Monday morning quarterbacking, but in hindsight it would have been better to take the lumps then and played Hayes(although slow, but not as slow as Smith). Now we have fifth year player Pryor and JUCO transfer Mulmore who are not great defenders but start because now III has changed from a defense first coach to an offense first coach and live with the mediocre defense. I say get back to signing only four year players and take your lumps during the down years with the hope that two years of home grown player will be better than one year or two with a transfer player. So let's forget about trying to get the fifth year senior or a JUCO player and get one or two more Antwan Walker players and one off guard with size and pair them with Waters's for three to four years. I think the defense first concept does better for III than the offense first model. I think Waters will make mediocre players good and good players great.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 25, 2017 8:47:13 GMT -5
As much as I like Tremont and his game, a recruit is no reason to keep JT3. The issues with this program are way deeper than the absence of a serviceable PG. List the issues, please. No thanks
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 25, 2017 8:55:07 GMT -5
That pass was sick in live speed, even sicker in slow mo. Agreed. I'm not sure we have anyone on this team with hands good enough to actually catch that pass. Maybe we need to sign up the kid that caught it...
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Post by EtomicB on Feb 25, 2017 21:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 26, 2017 0:44:36 GMT -5
That reverse dunk on the lob pass is ridiculous for 5'10". Not sure what his training regimen is but his athleticism and bounce has improved tremendously over the last 18-24 months.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 26, 2017 7:23:33 GMT -5
That reverse dunk on the lob pass is ridiculous for 5'10". Not sure what his training regimen is but his athleticism and bounce has improved tremendously over the last 18-24 months. For real. And he's got serious range. Those threes he's making are beyond NBA range.
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Post by hoyapac on Feb 26, 2017 16:48:36 GMT -5
He could realistically have a melo Trimble like impact his freshmen year..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 11:25:07 GMT -5
I don't know about his regiment but his pops is his main trainer. That in itself is pretty impressive..
A different angle
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