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Post by guru on Jan 24, 2017 14:45:35 GMT -5
TREMONT WATERS IS THE REAL DEAL 5-foot-10 Notre Dame High School senior Tremont Waters in Connecticut doesn't look like much, but boy can he play. The Georgetown bound guard is ranked 36th nationally and impressed everyone in the gym last night. He finished with 33 points and 4 assists including the game winning deep three with :05 left on the clock. He has great vision, great range, and a unbelievable change of speed and burst. Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 15:01:28 GMT -5
TREMONT WATERS IS THE REAL DEAL 5-foot-10 Notre Dame High School senior Tremont Waters in Connecticut doesn't look like much, but boy can he play. The Georgetown bound guard is ranked 36th nationally and impressed everyone in the gym last night. He finished with 33 points and 4 assists including the game winning deep three with :05 left on the clock. He has great vision, great range, and a unbelievable change of speed and burst. Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. It could, it could not. UMD was in a pretty bad space before Trimble got there including a max exodus the summer before his first season, having a real PG made a sizable difference for them. There's also instances when it has not made a difference obviously. I think he helps a good amount, he brings a lot of skills we lack but concerns are obviously legitimate. He'll help those kids (MD JG) get better looks, but he's the type of kid you can build a team around so they need to recruit kids that compliment to play with him moving forward.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 24, 2017 15:12:02 GMT -5
TREMONT WATERS IS THE REAL DEAL 5-foot-10 Notre Dame High School senior Tremont Waters in Connecticut doesn't look like much, but boy can he play. The Georgetown bound guard is ranked 36th nationally and impressed everyone in the gym last night. He finished with 33 points and 4 assists including the game winning deep three with :05 left on the clock. He has great vision, great range, and a unbelievable change of speed and burst. Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. How is LJ almost certainly gone? Since when does Govan only score from the 3 pt line? I get that things seem bleak but you're selling our current guys short. Tre is an example of one of our players that has under-performed but a true PG would help him, setting him up for easy 3-pt shots and drives where his guy is already off his spot. We could go player by player and show how a driving PG that can find open teammates will help but I'll save that for the offseason.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 24, 2017 15:57:08 GMT -5
Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. How is LJ almost certainly gone? Since when does Govan only score from the 3 pt line? I get that things seem bleak but you're selling our current guys short. Tre is an example of one of our players that has under-performed but a true PG would help him, setting him up for easy 3-pt shots and drives where his guy is already off his spot. We could go player by player and show how a driving PG that can find open teammates will help but I'll save that for the offseason. Opponents barely bother to cover Tre, remember the Providence game? How much more open will Waters be able to get him? Same goes for Agua, Johnson or Mulmore or my guy Jagan.. Waters will help next season but we also need to see a lot of improvement from the current roster in the offseason..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2017 16:46:58 GMT -5
Garrett at DePaul is a phenomenal PG, but the team consistently stinks.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 24, 2017 17:18:13 GMT -5
How is LJ almost certainly gone? Since when does Govan only score from the 3 pt line? I get that things seem bleak but you're selling our current guys short. Tre is an example of one of our players that has under-performed but a true PG would help him, setting him up for easy 3-pt shots and drives where his guy is already off his spot. We could go player by player and show how a driving PG that can find open teammates will help but I'll save that for the offseason. Opponents barely bother to cover Tre, remember the Providence game? How much more open will Waters be able to get him? Same goes for Agua, Johnson or Mulmore or my guy Jagan.. Waters will help next season but we also need to see a lot of improvement from the current roster in the offseason.. Good point about Tre but we know that shooting at one time was a strength for him, so hopefully an off-season of shooting will help that return. Waters is able to set guys up close to the hoop too. An even healthier Agau will definitely benefit from that as will Johnson and Jagan. Jagan's 3-pt shot has potential for a freshman as well. Agreed the key will be improvement in the off-season. Waters will still just be a piece on a team, hopefully everyone will hit the gym hard and practice with elite competition (not Tre's workouts with middle schoolers).
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2017 17:51:11 GMT -5
Pryor is the only player on our current roster who can create and make his own shot. He is gone next year.
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Post by dense on Jan 24, 2017 19:58:21 GMT -5
TREMONT WATERS IS THE REAL DEAL 5-foot-10 Notre Dame High School senior Tremont Waters in Connecticut doesn't look like much, but boy can he play. The Georgetown bound guard is ranked 36th nationally and impressed everyone in the gym last night. He finished with 33 points and 4 assists including the game winning deep three with :05 left on the clock. He has great vision, great range, and a unbelievable change of speed and burst. Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. next season no new coach will be able to bring in anyone in time anyway. But people act as though he forgot how to coach. I think this team has a heart problem and the 2 guys coming in have shown they have that.
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Post by dense on Jan 24, 2017 19:59:21 GMT -5
Garrett at DePaul is a phenomenal PG, but the team consistently stinks. Not really because he is not a great perimeter shooter. he has to drive for everything and it's usually to set himself up.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jan 24, 2017 20:23:16 GMT -5
Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. next season no new coach will be able to bring in anyone in time anyway. But people act as though he forgot how to coach. I think this team has a heart problem and the 2 guys coming in have shown they have that. We run pick and rolls and virtually never look to pass to the big man rolling to the hoop. And Govan and Hayes have bad hands anyway. Just have Waters run to a pick and have Govan and Derrickson pop for 15 footers, which both can consistently make. It's not that complicated, but I'm afraid this coach will revert to this quasi-Princeton offense or whatever nonsense you want to call it and waste Waters' talent.
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 24, 2017 20:50:50 GMT -5
TREMONT WATERS IS THE REAL DEAL 5-foot-10 Notre Dame High School senior Tremont Waters in Connecticut doesn't look like much, but boy can he play. The Georgetown bound guard is ranked 36th nationally and impressed everyone in the gym last night. He finished with 33 points and 4 assists including the game winning deep three with :05 left on the clock. He has great vision, great range, and a unbelievable change of speed and burst. Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. Guru, it's not the stiffs that Tremont makes look better. It's the throughbreds. You will see Jagan, Kaleb, Akoy and Twan finishing a lot of bunnies and dunks. Maybe lil Zo also. MD and Jessie will get plenty of open looks. Just look how much better the players at Quette look with Howard running the show and I don't think he was rated as high as Tremont. If somehow we get LJ back he will average a easy 20/gm if he doesn't buck a freshman running the show.....
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 24, 2017 21:02:15 GMT -5
Pryor is the only player on our current roster who can create and make his own shot. He is gone next year. Not true Bigs. LJ can make his own shot and hit it also. I think he may be gone after this year so it helps your argument but don't sell LJ short....
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Post by dense on Jan 24, 2017 21:25:35 GMT -5
next season no new coach will be able to bring in anyone in time anyway. But people act as though he forgot how to coach. I think this team has a heart problem and the 2 guys coming in have shown they have that. We run pick and rolls and virtually never look to pass to the big man rolling to the hoop. And Govan and Hayes have bad hands anyway. Just have Waters run to a pick and have Govan and Derrickson pop for 15 footers, which both can consistently make. It's not that complicated, but I'm afraid this coach will revert to this quasi-Princeton offense or whatever nonsense you want to call it and waste Waters' talent. it didn't waste Chris Wright talent when he was healthy. I think he will be able to make the reads. None of our points right now are good enough at PnR to run it correctly right now. it will look like Cartwright at PC. Waters going downhill at a big and with the way I have seen him finish in traffic. I am not worried.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 24, 2017 23:07:05 GMT -5
Wright had a solid supporting cast- Monroe, Sims, Freeman, Clark. Also- I love LJ, but he is primarily a slasher. Not one who can create space with his handle. I worry if his game can translate to the next level.
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Jan 25, 2017 0:19:53 GMT -5
Going with the notion that the absurd, desperate hype around this kid turns out to be warranted, a point guard needs players to pass to correct? With LJ almost certainly gone, I really don't know who that will be if this coach comes back and returning roster is intact next season. Maybe Derrickson? Govan only scores from the 3 point line and we don't need a great pg to get him the ball up there. Even if this kid is the bees knees, he won't have much to work with and will be playing in a failing system. I just don't see it. And this post was not directed pointedly at you - just the sentiment among some here that a very good point guard will change much. God I hope they're right, but I have major doubts. next season no new coach will be able to bring in anyone in time anyway. But people act as though he forgot how to coach. I think this team has a heart problem and the 2 guys coming in have shown they have that. Waters and Walker, who have not played a single college minute yet, have shown that they have the heart and desire? Waters has shown that he is a very good player at his age, and is projected to play well at college. But he is only 5'11 (more like 5'9 in reality), and sure there are players like Isiah Thomas, but that is yet to be seen. As of Walker, personally speaking, i think his offensive game is very very limited at the collegiate level, and it will take a while before he makes any contributions, if any.
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Post by prhoya on Jan 25, 2017 6:55:16 GMT -5
Opponents barely bother to cover Tre, remember the Providence game? How much more open will Waters be able to get him? Same goes for Agua, Johnson or Mulmore or my guy Jagan.. Waters will help next season but we also need to see a lot of improvement from the current roster in the offseason.. Good point about Tre but we know that shooting at one time was a strength for him, so hopefully an off-season of shooting will help that return. Waters is able to set guys up close to the hoop too. An even healthier Agau will definitely benefit from that as will Johnson and Jagan. Jagan's 3-pt shot has potential for a freshman as well. Agreed the key will be improvement in the off-season. Waters will still just be a piece on a team, hopefully everyone will hit the gym hard and practice with elite competition (not Tre's workouts with middle schoolers). The Tre Shooter Myth. His career numbers from 3 are 34%, 27%, and 36% so far. Those numbers are average or bad, certainly nothing to feature in a drawn up play to shoot a three. What he's shown is that, just as his teammates and his coach, he's inconsistent. Kaleb was 54% last year and now 33%. More of the same. I'd rather have Marcus or Govan as the isolated shooters. Mulmore is at 40% (8 of 20), but who knows how his numbers look next year.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 25, 2017 8:43:41 GMT -5
Contrary to those who feel that he might be put off by our current level of play, I suspect Waters relishes in the challenge and sees the importance of his contribution to the Hoyas. I am sure that he will help the Hoyas as he will be a point guard that actually will become the focus of defegnses. And he creates space so well, I think he will adapt to that pressure. I haven't seen him in a game, but hope to catch one to see his decision making.
More important he will be a real floor leader. As Glide says, we need someone who can be the coach on the floor. He also who will have a great back court mate in Jagan who also knows what it is like to have a coach's back and back up a dynamic point guard. His offensive skills will only get better. Between the two of them, I think JT3's job will get easier.
I completely understand other concerns about the team. In addition to improved guard play, we need some players who have heart, demonstrated leadership qualities, and instinctively fight in the paint. I am encouraged by the recent commitments. Let's see how we do this spring. I really want scrappy players willing to fight for rebounds and baskets inside to complement our guards and wings. And, I suspect that Waters will be the type of player who attracts others to this program.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 25, 2017 11:35:23 GMT -5
Heyyyyyyyyyyy
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Post by hoyaboya on Jan 25, 2017 13:07:39 GMT -5
#33 in ESPN's just updated top 100, down one spot from ESPN's summer rankings. Second highest rated Big East commitment (after Xavier's Paul Scruggs).
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 25, 2017 13:42:07 GMT -5
Contrary to those who feel that he might be put off by our current level of play, I suspect Waters relishes in the challenge and sees the importance of his contribution to the Hoyas. I am sure that he will help the Hoyas as he will be a point guard that actually will become the focus of defegnses. And he creates space so well, I think he will adapt to that pressure. I haven't seen him in a game, but hope to catch one to see his decision making. More important he will be a real floor leader. As Glide says, we need someone who can be the coach on the floor. He also who will have a great back court mate in Jagan who also knows what it is like to have a coach's back and back up a dynamic point guard. His offensive skills will only get better. Between the two of them, I think JT3's job will get easier. I completely understand other concerns about the team. In addition to improved guard play, we need some players who have heart, demonstrated leadership qualities, and instinctively fight in the paint. I am encouraged by the recent commitments. Let's see how we do this spring. I really want scrappy players willing to fight for rebounds and baskets inside to complement our guards and wings. And, I suspect that Waters will be the type of player who attracts others to this program. Truth. Much respect.
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