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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 22:08:28 GMT -5
So who transfers because we are over the limit. That was my question. But remember what this board said, we don't force kids to transfer. If someone all of the sudden decides to then we'll know that's not true as Hayes isn't taking time from the ones that I think we'll push to transfer.
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 22:10:10 GMT -5
So who transfers because we are over the limit. ...or does that mean Mourning is stripped of his scholly and then if so that seems pretty crummy. That would be telling and would shut down all of the grandstanding done here in past couple of weeks about not wanting to be like other successful programs that make kids transfer.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 22, 2016 22:42:42 GMT -5
Holy cow we are stacked next year
Guards: Jon Mulmore, LJ Peak, Tre Campbell, Rodney Pryor, Jagan Mosely Forwards: Isaac Copeland, Akoy Agau, Reggie Cameron, Paul White, Marcus Derrickson, Kaleb Johnson Centers: Jessie Govan, Bradley Hayes, Trey Mourning
This of course does not account for any potential transfers but regardless, we have some insane talent. 10 out of 14 are upperclassmen (including Mulmore). Majority of them are also four stars. I can comfortably say everyone on this list has shown at least flashes of talent and there is honestly no position we are lacking in. Rim protection might be a concern, but hopefully Akoy can help with that.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 22, 2016 23:32:26 GMT -5
And they even used to give out awards.... Jeez. You are the world's biggest wet sock. Maybe it's time you follow a different program.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 22, 2016 23:34:10 GMT -5
Assuming he graduates, Hayes could be entering a graduate program which could be largely free. Would the scholarship even be necessary?
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Post by eagle54 on Apr 22, 2016 23:45:10 GMT -5
And they even used to give out awards.... Jeez. You are the world's biggest wet sock. Maybe it's time you follow a different program. Maybe it's time for you to stop talking KC. Haven't seen anything meaningful from you since I joined this board.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 22, 2016 23:49:23 GMT -5
Assuming he graduates, Hayes could be entering a graduate program which could be largely free. Would the scholarship even be necessary? I don't think that's possible for football or basketball in his case. Even if Hayes received some other scholarship it would count against the scholarship counter. "Non-Athletically Related Aid In sports other than football and basketball, student-athletes who do not receive an athletic scholarship can receive non-athletically related aid without restriction. In football and basketball, to maximize the amount of non-athletic aid an athlete can receive, they must be non-recruited under the NCAA’s definition. If an athlete is recruited and plays football or basketball, he or she may not receive institutional financial aid without becoming a counter and counting against the scholarship limits. Outside aid like federal Pell grants or state grants would be allowed, but the athlete could not receive any of the need and even academic aid a school offers. To be a recruited athlete but still meet the definition of nonrecruited, athletes should focus their recruiting efforts with the coaching staff around phone calls and unofficial visits. If you let the coaching staff know you are interested in walking on provided you can get other aid, they will be careful to not change your status as recruited vs. nonrecruited. Also apply early and get your financial aid information like the FAFSA to the school as soon as possible to maximize the amount of aid you are eligible for." www.athleticscholarships.net/2012/07/25/schools-flexible-scholarship-limits-athletes-aid.htm
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 23, 2016 5:26:08 GMT -5
However I recall instances when players at other schools (Drummond at UConn? Or one of their bigs) gives up their schollie for a year so the team can bring in an extra player? Can't recall exactly how that works, if they just pay their own way.
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Post by 757hoyafan on Apr 23, 2016 6:15:34 GMT -5
So who transfers because we are over the limit. ...or does that mean Mourning is stripped of his scholly and then if so that seems pretty crummy. Ha Ha @ crummy.. You took me back to my "Leave it to Beaver" days. This thread reminds me of one regarding the kid from NC - a lot of assuming and you guys might be wrong. Who says JTIII is pushing a guy out?
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 23, 2016 7:46:57 GMT -5
Recall that Lic hinted at Brad coming back some time ago. Seems to imply staff knows someone is leaving.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 23, 2016 8:17:43 GMT -5
Recall that Lic hinted at Brad coming back some time ago. Seems to imply staff knows someone is leaving. Though they didn't know about the JUCO and grad transfers at that point... hm
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Post by kchoya on Apr 23, 2016 9:37:27 GMT -5
However I recall instances when players at other schools (Drummond at UConn? Or one of their bigs) gives up their schollie for a year so the team can bring in an extra player? Can't recall exactly how that works, if they just pay their own way. This. We've had this discussion over and over. Being a "counter" seems to have lost all meaning in today's NCAA world.
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Post by KennaHoya on Apr 23, 2016 11:30:11 GMT -5
So all I'll say about Bradley is that he seemed genuinely happy to be able to play and spend another year on the Hilltop. And his teammates seemed genuinely happy for him. So me too.
As for the banquet, for a down year, it was remarkably positive. The highlights were obviously a bit myopic, focusing on Wisconsin, Syracuse, Xavier and a few other wins. But:
Trey received a student-athlete award.
Pops gave a very, very touching talk about his gratitude for all the planning, fundraising, donations, and work that has gone into the new IAC. And added some humorous comments showing some serious self-awareness about his public persona. Might have been the most touching moment for me. I guess it always is when he speaks.
Except that DSR's talk about how much he valued being a Georgetown graduate and part of the Hoya family rivaled it. He demonstrated real class in assessing his four years and those who stood with him. Including his little brother who'd call him after a bad game and let him know.... He was proud to graduate and be the first in his family to do so. And then encouraged his teammates to use the disappointment from this year to fuel commitment to next year.
Riyan Williams was also appreciative - brief and humble, thoughtful of others and a bit funny - said he did not expect that his time on the team would be Riyan and the Miracles (there were five or six former players on hand, including Dad Reggie).
Almost every speaker thanked the fans for sticking with them despite the adversity, and there was the expected commitment to success in the future. I know skeptics will be skeptical, die hards will die hard, but while it wasn't the largest banquet I've seen it was bigger than I thought it would be by a significant margin.
Oh - and speaking of attendance - the coaching staff except for JTIII was not there - expressly because they were out on the recruiting trail. And JTIII left immediately following the proceedings for a flight to do the same.
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Post by swhoya on Apr 23, 2016 11:41:40 GMT -5
Love the usual suspects spinning this how they want to see it. "III screwed up by not doing this years ago and the NCAA bailed him out" or "now we are going to screw someone else out of a scholarship or someone is leaving" and so on.
Well I doubt many or any of us know the circumstances that allowed us to get him a 3rd year. And on the other...it's possible someone is leaving. And frankly, little Zo doesn't need the scholarship, even if it's nice to give him one. But also...who says Bradley will be on one? Maybe he was going to grad school anyway and would have to finance that same as anyone else? Seems like there's a wide range of possibilities. But let's just assume the worst in what should be a situation we should all be thankful for.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 23, 2016 13:19:49 GMT -5
Oh - and speaking of attendance - the coaching staff except for JTIII was not there - expressly because they were out on the recruiting trail. And JTIII left immediately following the proceedings for a flight to do the same. That's disappointing nonetheless. If the assistant coaches are no-shows, it's not respectful to the attendees and probably needed to be rescheduled. The need to send the entire staff to visit 2017 recruits is their business, but at over $100 a plate, if this is an Hoop Club event and the team, the head coach, John Thompson, and Jack DeGioia can all commit to attend, so should the assistants.
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Post by dreamhoya on Apr 23, 2016 13:38:21 GMT -5
was othella there - perhaps DSR's closest coach?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 23, 2016 14:55:06 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 23, 2016 15:46:45 GMT -5
Love the usual suspects spinning this how they want to see it. Are they any worse than the usual apologists who excuse virtually every failure? You want to go there? Look here, sw, as you well know I made the remark about the NCAA baling out III but I preferred to keep my remarks out of the thread dedicated to the banquet itself. But if you want to start a discussion about III's job performance I'll be happy to have what I'm sure will be a vigorous chat with you. Just not in this thread.
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Post by kchoya on Apr 23, 2016 16:03:16 GMT -5
Oh - and speaking of attendance - the coaching staff except for JTIII was not there - expressly because they were out on the recruiting trail. And JTIII left immediately following the proceedings for a flight to do the same. That's disappointing nonetheless. If the assistant coaches are no-shows, it's not respectful to the attendees and probably needed to be rescheduled. The need to send the entire staff to visit 2017 recruits is their business, but at over $100 a plate, if this is an Hoop Club event and the team, the head coach, John Thompson, and Jack DeGioia can all commit to attend, so should the assistants. I'd much rather the coaches be out recruiting. Having attended multiple banquets, I don't remember caring whether or not the assistant coaches were there.
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Post by hoya95 on Apr 23, 2016 16:16:48 GMT -5
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