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Post by kchoya on Oct 6, 2016 14:46:23 GMT -5
Famalia is not, at least for Mets fans. Though, as a Royals fan, I must say his performance felt very familiar. t is likely that Bumgarner would have pitched another ten shutout innings. Nobody was touching him last night.
As a Royals fan, I must say his performance felt very familiar.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 6, 2016 20:03:34 GMT -5
Bumgarner is ridiculous. During the season he's a very good pitcher, but during the postseason he morphs into Bob Gibson.
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Post by Filo on Oct 7, 2016 7:01:09 GMT -5
Famalia is not, at least for Mets fans. Though, as a Royals fan, I must say his performance felt very familiar. The dangers of a one-game playoff. Even if Familia had managed to avoid being scored upon, it is likely that Bumgarner would have pitched another ten shutout innings. Nobody was touching him last night. Ya know, I really though the Mets were going to get to Bumgardner as the game went on. Delusional, I guess. What a shame for Familia to waste that performance by Syndergard.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 14, 2016 8:10:43 GMT -5
And the October tradition of the Nats coming up small continues.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 14, 2016 8:19:41 GMT -5
And the October tradition of the Nats coming up small continues. It's more likely that they could have avoided that fate had they decided to get either Chapman or Miller from the Yankees when they had the chance.
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Post by njhoya78 on Oct 14, 2016 12:28:43 GMT -5
And the October tradition of the Nats coming up small continues. It's more likely that they could have avoided that fate had they decided to get either Chapman or Miller from the Yankees when they had the chance. Back when the potential acquisition of Chapman or Miller was discussed in this thread, I opined that the anticipated price tag (Trea Turner or Lucas Giolito) would likely be too stiff for the Nationals. The Yankees made trades that brought back significant young talent from the Cubs and Indians. The Nationals never showed they were willing to make that type of commitment. Then again, that seventh inning was a six pitcher meltdown. One closer might not have made a difference. As a Mets fan, though, I'm not really crying over the latest Nats' post-season failure.
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Oct 14, 2016 12:57:57 GMT -5
It's more likely that they could have avoided that fate had they decided to get either Chapman or Miller from the Yankees when they had the chance. Back when the potential acquisition of Chapman or Miller was discussed in this thread, I opined that the anticipated price tag (Trea Turner or Lucas Giolito) would likely be too stiff for the Nationals. The Yankees made trades that brought back significant young talent from the Cubs and Indians. The Nationals never showed they were willing to make that type of commitment. Then again, that seventh inning was a six pitcher meltdown. One closer might not have made a difference. As a Mets fan, though, I'm not really crying over the latest Nats' post-season failure. IMO, you are correct, nj. The Nats acquisition of Mark Melancon adequately addressed their need for a closer. He handled that role quite well for the team. The Nats' bullpen generally pitched well throughout the season and had essentially shut down the Dodgers in the series until last night's seventh inning debacle. And, despite that poor performance, the team still had its chances, with the winning run on base and only one out in the bottom of the ninth.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 14, 2016 13:08:02 GMT -5
The entire seventh inning show is a clear illustration of how the "closer" role has turned most managers into simpletons. The most important outs of last night's game all came is he seventh inning. Dusty, never confused with a baseball genius, ran several pitchers out there, just not Melancon. Roberts at least had the brains to bring in Jansen because the game was being won or lost right there.
I watched many multi inning saves from men named Fingers, Lyle, McGraw and Gossage over the years. Today's bullpen usage is ridiculous.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Oct 14, 2016 14:07:08 GMT -5
And the October tradition of the Nats coming up small continues.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 14, 2016 14:27:25 GMT -5
The entire seventh inning Edited show is a clear illustration of how the "closer" role has turned most managers into simpletons. The most important outs of last night's game all came is he seventh inning. Dusty, never confused with a baseball genius, ran several pitchers out there, just not Melancon. Roberts at least had the brains to bring in Jansen because the game was being won or lost right there. I watched many multi inning saves from men named Fingers, Lyle, McGraw and Gossage over the years. Today's bullpen usage is ridiculous. This pretty much sums up what I was thinking when I commented about the Nats not grabbing Chapman or Miller.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 14, 2016 20:41:44 GMT -5
Back when the potential acquisition of Chapman or Miller was discussed in this thread, I opined that the anticipated price tag (Trea Turner or Lucas Giolito) would likely be too stiff for the Nationals. The Yankees made trades that brought back significant young talent from the Cubs and Indians. The Nationals never showed they were willing to make that type of commitment. Then again, that seventh inning was a six pitcher meltdown. One closer might not have made a difference. As a Mets fan, though, I'm not really crying over the latest Nats' post-season failure. IMO, you are correct, nj. The Nats acquisition of Mark Melancon adequately addressed their need for a closer. He handled that role quite well for the team. The Nats' bullpen generally pitched well throughout the season and had essentially shut down the Dodgers in the series until last night's seventh inning debacle. And, despite that poor performance, the team still had its chances, with the winning run on base and only one out in the bottom of the ninth. Totally agree with you, AGH. Now perhaps the Nats could have chosen to stockpile relievers like the Yankees had at the start of the season, and acquired either Chapman or Miller along with Melancon. That would likely have made a difference last night. But the fact remains that statistically the Nats bullpen was behind only the Dodgers this year, so why would they mortgage their future for a rental that it didn't really appear that they needed? In the first three games their bullpen pitched I believe 11 innings and gave up zero runs. That sounds pretty good to me. Also, I don't know about Giolito, but I'd say that the Nats are pretty happy right now that they kept Trea Turner. Epic game last night. I thought that Roberts left Jansen in too long, but there's no denying that he has brass balls.
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Post by kchoya on Oct 15, 2016 9:19:22 GMT -5
IMO, you are correct, nj. The Nats acquisition of Mark Melancon adequately addressed their need for a closer. He handled that role quite well for the team. The Nats' bullpen generally pitched well throughout the season and had essentially shut down the Dodgers in the series until last night's seventh inning debacle. And, despite that poor performance, the team still had its chances, with the winning run on base and only one out in the bottom of the ninth. Totally agree with you, AGH. Now perhaps the Nats could have chosen to stockpile relievers like the Yankees had at the start of the season, and acquired either Chapman or Miller along with Melancon. That would likely have made a difference last night. But the fact remains that statistically the Nats bullpen was behind only the Dodgers this year, so why would they mortgage their future for a rental that it didn't really appear that they needed? In the first three games their bullpen pitched I believe 11 innings and gave up zero runs. That sounds pretty good to me. Also, I don't know about Giolito, but I'd say that the Nats are pretty happy right now that they kept Trea Turner. Epic game last night. I thought that Roberts left Jansen in too long, but there's no denying that he has brass balls. Apparently not everyone paid attention to the Royals over the past two postseasons and how a shutdown bullpen makes a huge difference in October.
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Post by hoyarooter on Oct 17, 2016 19:32:22 GMT -5
Totally agree with you, AGH. Now perhaps the Nats could have chosen to stockpile relievers like the Yankees had at the start of the season, and acquired either Chapman or Miller along with Melancon. That would likely have made a difference last night. But the fact remains that statistically the Nats bullpen was behind only the Dodgers this year, so why would they mortgage their future for a rental that it didn't really appear that they needed? In the first three games their bullpen pitched I believe 11 innings and gave up zero runs. That sounds pretty good to me. Also, I don't know about Giolito, but I'd say that the Nats are pretty happy right now that they kept Trea Turner. Epic game last night. I thought that Roberts left Jansen in too long, but there's no denying that he has brass balls. Apparently not everyone paid attention to the Royals over the past two postseasons and how a shutdown bullpen makes a huge difference in October. I think the Dodgers have very much tried to follow the Royals' example this year, what with starting so many rookie pitchers due to constant injuries and the starters barely averaging five innings per start. That might have actually been their plan at the start of the season when they tried to acquire Chapman. And with the second best bullpen in the league statistically, I'd say the Nats were in that position, as well. You can't point to a single playoff game where the bullpen imploded and use that as a basis to say that the Nats should have traded their best prospect for more bullpen help, particularly after they did trade for Melancon, which was a very good move.
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Post by tashoya on Oct 19, 2016 22:35:41 GMT -5
Counterpoint: Andrew Miller just won the ALCS MVP. Melancon is very good. He's not Miller.
The Nats, IMO, had their best chance to win this year and needed to go all in to do it. If they can find a way to afford to hold onto Harper and Harper bounces back to his MVP season type numbers, they still have a window if Strasburg can stay healthy. They have a lot of young talent but talent gets pricey quickly. And Scherzer is getting to be about that age....
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Post by tashoya on Oct 24, 2016 21:31:22 GMT -5
This should be a fun series to watch. I don't hate the Indians the way that I did in the late 90's but I have to pull for the Cubbies out of respect for my freshman year roommate whose favorite all time player is Ryne Sandberg. Whichever team wins, it'll make for a great story. Cleveland is having some sports year so far, huh?
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Post by Elvado on Oct 24, 2016 21:34:29 GMT -5
This should be a fun series to watch. I don't hate the Indians the way that I did in the late 90's but I have to pull for the Cubbies out of respect for my freshman year roommate whose favorite all time player is Ryne Sandberg. Whichever team wins, it'll make for a great story. Cleveland is having some sports year so far, huh? Hate to go the other way on you tas, but I want the Cubs to remain losers in perpetuity. I am sick to death of the "lovable" Cub fans and if I see that has-been Bill Murray once more this fall, I will puke. Go Tribe
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Post by tashoya on Oct 24, 2016 21:45:13 GMT -5
This should be a fun series to watch. I don't hate the Indians the way that I did in the late 90's but I have to pull for the Cubbies out of respect for my freshman year roommate whose favorite all time player is Ryne Sandberg. Whichever team wins, it'll make for a great story. Cleveland is having some sports year so far, huh? Hate to go the other way on you tas, but I want the Cubs to remain losers in perpetuity. I am sick to death of the "lovable" Cub fans and if I see that has-been Bill Murray once more this fall, I will puke. Go Tribe Very valid points with which I don't wholly disagree. I'd likely be in the same boat if it weren't for my man Eric who was a great roommate and friend and continues to be a good man.
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Post by Elvado on Oct 24, 2016 21:57:40 GMT -5
Fair enough. Knowing your friend is happy will keep my bile to a minimum should the Cubs win
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