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Post by triplehoya09 on Mar 17, 2016 13:57:00 GMT -5
Providence and Hall up next.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 17, 2016 14:12:06 GMT -5
The two other big differences is Duke doesn't turn it over all the time and they don't foul nearly as often. Part of why they don't foul is that they don't even attempt to play defense most of the time, they just try to outscore you. Obviously, you want to play good defense, but there's an argument to be made that if you should defend but only to the extent you do not rampantly foul. Look at this way: the very best offense right now (Kentucky) scores about 1.22 points per possession. Even if your opponent shot free throw shots at 60%, that's 1.2 points per possession, and virtually all teams shoot free throws better than that (the one-and-one changes that number in actuality, but I am just trying to prove a more general point). Thus, defending without fouling (even if it's an awful defense) is almost ways preferable to fouling and allowing free throws, because offenses miss shots at a higher rate than they miss free throws. With the new rules it becomes a fine line between playing really good defense and fouling too much. Most of these D-1 high major players are so used to being able to physically dominate their opponents in high school and being able to block shots almost at will, have a problem adjusting to the athleticism of players at this level and the new rules. They need to learn to contest shots and just make it hard for the opponent to make shots and not try to make the great defensive play all the time. The other teams will miss shots if you just contest them without fouling. Even at this level your better off letting the other player try to make a contested shot than being too aggressive and sending them to the line. Hopefully some of the Hoyas can learn that next year
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 17, 2016 14:12:25 GMT -5
Duke is a worse defense team than we are. They are like 110th in kenpom. Difference is that they get the calls offensively, can score and have a great home court advantage. I watch Duke and I agree they are an awful defensive team. I also see a lot of similarities between them and the Hoyas of this year. Ingram and Allen remind me of Copeland and LJ, with the big difference being that the Duke offense is set up to maximize the abilities of those two. They open the floor and let those two attack every time they get the ball. I have to believe that if Georgetown played a similar system they are playing in the tournament now and not sitting home watching. No doubt Copeland is not the player that Ingram is, but he should be better than most of the players defending him if he was given space and freedom to attack. The two other big differences is Duke doesn't turn it over all the time and they don't foul nearly as often. Part of why they don't foul is that they don't even attempt to play defense most of the time, they just try to outscore you. Duke can't play D, that's for sure. But let's be real here: When they spread the court, they have two first round NBA picks out there, both of whom can shoot or drive. Maybe they remind someone of Copeland, but Copeland isn't there right now. Ike had all the space he needed the entire year; he doesn't have the skill to beat anyone of the dribble right now, and too often, he couldn't shoot. I'm not knocking our guys, and I sure hope they get there next year, but the skill set is very different. By the end of the year, LJ certainly was doing similar things as Duke's guys, and hopefully he can build further on that. But let's be real here.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 17, 2016 14:19:51 GMT -5
I watch Duke and I agree they are an awful defensive team. I also see a lot of similarities between them and the Hoyas of this year. Ingram and Allen remind me of Copeland and LJ, with the big difference being that the Duke offense is set up to maximize the abilities of those two. They open the floor and let those two attack every time they get the ball. I have to believe that if Georgetown played a similar system they are playing in the tournament now and not sitting home watching. No doubt Copeland is not the player that Ingram is, but he should be better than most of the players defending him if he was given space and freedom to attack. The two other big differences is Duke doesn't turn it over all the time and they don't foul nearly as often. Part of why they don't foul is that they don't even attempt to play defense most of the time, they just try to outscore you. Duke can't play D, that's for sure. But let's be real here: When they spread the court, they have two first round NBA picks out there, both of whom can shoot or drive. Maybe they remind someone of Copeland, but Copeland isn't there right now. Ike had all the space he needed the entire year; he doesn't have the skill to beat anyone of the dribble right now, and too often, he couldn't shoot. I'm not knocking our guys, and I sure hope they get there next year, but the skill set is very different. By the end of the year, LJ certainly was doing similar things as Duke's guys, and hopefully he can build further on that. But let's be real here. Not saying Copeland is as good a player as Ingram, or that he will ever be that good a player, but he is a better athlete than the players covering him in most every game he plays. With his athleticism and length he should be able to get a good shot whenever he wants. He just never seemed comfortable being that aggressive. He would miss a few shots and then fade into the background. I am not sure if it was the system or just him not being confident.
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 17, 2016 14:48:22 GMT -5
Colorado had a good lead in the first half and squandered it. Tyrone Wallace is out for Cal. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Pac 12 is going to soil the tournament bed this year. I think it's a case of RPI numbers belying the quality of the conference.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 17, 2016 15:02:02 GMT -5
Not saying Copeland is as good a player as Ingram, or that he will ever be that good a player, but he is a better athlete than the players covering him in most every game he plays. With his athleticism and length he should be able to get a good shot whenever he wants. He just never seemed comfortable being that aggressive. He would miss a few shots and then fade into the background. I am not sure if it was the system or just him not being confident. The problem is that it's not just about athleticism. Other skills, like ball handling and shooting, matter a lot too. Aaron Bowen is a great example. He was easily more athletic than nearly every defender he faced, yet he could not consistently make it to the basket or get a good shot. That's why I think Peak got better - he was better able to hone his athleticism and finish better than he did last year. Copeland needs to do the same thing.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 17, 2016 15:48:36 GMT -5
I was glad to see Holy Cross win last night, their first win in the NCAAs since 1953. They did go to the NIT quite a few times, when the NIT was almost as big at the 32 team NCAA. In fact, they won in 1954; my father woke me to hear the end of that game with Tommy Heinsohn and Togo Palazzi leading the Crusaders. I went to an NIT game with them when they had Jack "The Shot" Foley and also Blaney and Sheehan and were playing Colorado State. CSU's big man was something like 19 for 20 (Walton numbers), but Holy Cross beat them by one or two points. The fact that it was St. Patrick's day helped out, as the eve of St. Pat's must have helped last night.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 17, 2016 16:02:40 GMT -5
So Yale runs a "Princeton" offense, lets see if they can hold off Baylor (66-55 6:02 in the 2nd)
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Post by This Just In on Mar 17, 2016 16:03:23 GMT -5
College Basketball Final 4 Picks:
Jay Bilas, ESPN Insider.com Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Texas A&M Championship: Kansas over North Carolina
Seth Davis, SI.com/CBS Final Four: Kansas, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Michigan State Championship: Michigan State over Kansas
Doug Gottlieb, CBSSports Final Four: Michigan State, Kentucky, Cal Oklahoma Champion: Kentucky
Clark Kellog, CBSSports Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State
Stephen A Smith, ESPN Final Four: Michigan State, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State
Skip Bayless, ESPN Final Four: Virginia, Kentucky, Kansas, Texas A&M Champion: Kentucky
Kenny Smith, NBA TNT Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Maryland, Oklahoma Champion: North Carolina
Charles Barkley, NBA TNT Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oregon Champion: Michigan State
Mother, Home Final Four: Virgina, North Carolina, Kansas, Duke Champion: North Carolina
President Obama, U.S.A. Final Four: Virgina, North Carolina, Kansas, Texas A&M Champion: Kansas
ThisJustin, Hoyatalk Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 17, 2016 16:16:56 GMT -5
I watch Duke and I agree they are an awful defensive team. I also see a lot of similarities between them and the Hoyas of this year. Ingram and Allen remind me of Copeland and LJ, with the big difference being that the Duke offense is set up to maximize the abilities of those two. They open the floor and let those two attack every time they get the ball. I have to believe that if Georgetown played a similar system they are playing in the tournament now and not sitting home watching. No doubt Copeland is not the player that Ingram is, but he should be better than most of the players defending him if he was given space and freedom to attack. The two other big differences is Duke doesn't turn it over all the time and they don't foul nearly as often. Part of why they don't foul is that they don't even attempt to play defense most of the time, they just try to outscore you. Duke can't play D, that's for sure. But let's be real here: When they spread the court, they have two first round NBA picks out there, both of whom can shoot or drive. Maybe they remind someone of Copeland, but Copeland isn't there right now. Ike had all the space he needed the entire year; he doesn't have the skill to beat anyone of the dribble right now, and too often, he couldn't shoot. I'm not knocking our guys, and I sure hope they get there next year, but the skill set is very different. By the end of the year, LJ certainly was doing similar things as Duke's guys, and hopefully he can build further on that. But let's be real here. Oh, I wouldnt argue with that. Just pointing out that their defense is horrible. I really thought they'd struggle with UNCW and get hammered by Baylor, but alas, Duke is Duke, and they probably will get Yale and another high seed and march to the FF.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 17, 2016 16:17:49 GMT -5
none of them picked Yale I bet...
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Post by seaweed on Mar 17, 2016 16:19:04 GMT -5
College Basketball Final 4 Picks: Jay Bilas, ESPN Insider.com Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Texas A&M Championship: Kansas over North Carolina Seth Davis, SI.com/CBS Final Four: Kansas, Texas A&M, West Virginia, Michigan State Championship: Michigan State over Kansas Doug Gottlieb, CBSSports Final Four: Michigan State, Kentucky, Cal Oklahoma Champion: Kentucky Clark Kellog, CBSSports Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State Stephen A Smith, ESPN Final Four: Michigan State, Indiana, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State Skip Bayless, ESPN Final Four: Virginia, Kentucky, Kansas, Texas A&M Champion: Kentucky Kenny Smith, NBA TNT Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Maryland, Oklahoma Champion: North Carolina Charles Barkley, NBA TNT Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oregon Champion: Michigan State Mother, Home Final Four: Virgina, North Carolina, Kansas, Duke Champion: North Carolina President Obama, U.S.A. Final Four: Virgina, North Carolina, Kansas, Texas A&M Champion: Kansas ThisJustin, Hoyatalk Final Four: Michigan State, North Carolina, Kansas, Oklahoma Champion: Michigan State I see there is a whole lot of respect for the BEast out there - prove them wrong conference-mates!
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 17, 2016 16:32:33 GMT -5
Baylor loses to a 12 seed this year after losing to a 14 seed last year...
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 17, 2016 16:38:18 GMT -5
Baylor loses to a 12 seed this year after losing to a 14 seed last year... Im sure we wont hear about how the B12 chokes though. I thought that was a pretty meh Ivy team, too. Not like they beat anyone this year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 17, 2016 17:00:37 GMT -5
Baylor loses to a 12 seed this year after losing to a 14 seed last year... Im sure we wont hear about how the B12 chokes though. I thought that was a pretty meh Ivy team, too. Not like they beat anyone this year. As we very well know anything can happen in one game elimination tournaments.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 17, 2016 17:05:23 GMT -5
Baylor loses to a 12 seed this year after losing to a 14 seed last year... Boolah, boolah!!!
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Post by rockhoya on Mar 17, 2016 17:15:21 GMT -5
Not saying Copeland is as good a player as Ingram, or that he will ever be that good a player, but he is a better athlete than the players covering him in most every game he plays. With his athleticism and length he should be able to get a good shot whenever he wants. He just never seemed comfortable being that aggressive. He would miss a few shots and then fade into the background. I am not sure if it was the system or just him not being confident. The problem is that it's not just about athleticism. Other skills, like ball handling and shooting, matter a lot too. Aaron Bowen is a great example. He was easily more athletic than nearly every defender he faced, yet he could not consistently make it to the basket or get a good shot. That's why I think Peak got better - he was better able to hone his athleticism and finish better than he did last year. Copeland needs to do the same thing. Yeah but his point is that Cope should've filled out those holes in his game
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 17, 2016 17:23:25 GMT -5
The problem is that it's not just about athleticism. Other skills, like ball handling and shooting, matter a lot too. Aaron Bowen is a great example. He was easily more athletic than nearly every defender he faced, yet he could not consistently make it to the basket or get a good shot. That's why I think Peak got better - he was better able to hone his athleticism and finish better than he did last year. Copeland needs to do the same thing. Yeah but his point is that Cope should've filled out those holes in his game Yes, he's got plenty to work on during the off season.
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 17, 2016 17:44:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 17, 2016 17:58:25 GMT -5
Little Rock erased a 13 point deficit in the final 3:30 to send it into OT on a 30+ foot three and Purdue brain fart in the final five seconds.
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