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Post by prhoya on Apr 5, 2016 0:08:42 GMT -5
A game changer? I tend to always be an optimist and have high hopes. But please tell us more - what of our deficiencies will Mulmore help with? 1) Defense without fouling 2) Transition points 3) Turnovers 4) Points in the paint Don't know anything about Mulmore but doesn't a point guard easily solve points 2-4? And depending on his defense at least help point 1? He sees himself as a combo guard, just as JT3 does.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 5, 2016 0:25:44 GMT -5
Don't waste your breath. The Thought Policeman is here to shut down any signs of dissent. Said MCIGuy from his high horse. Ironic, coming from the guy who lectured me last week about how to post on HoyaTalk. As far as the actual substance, I think there were games where we definitely looked flat and others like the Creighton comeback where we did seem to bring intensity. Whether that's motivation or some other factor, I don't know. But, as I said before, unless you're in the clubhouse/locker room it's really tough to reliably analyze things like motivation. Disagree. It's pretty obvious when a team comes out flat (i.e., not motivated or ready or whatever you want to call the same thing). You don't have to be in the locker room. You just have to watch the players once the game starts. I think you're looking for why it happens, while the other posters are saying it is always the coach's responsibility to have a team ready to go once the whistle blows. I'll add the leader(s) of the team is(are) as, or almost as, important as the coaching staff in doing it.
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2016 0:36:25 GMT -5
Don't waste your breath. The Thought Policeman is here to shut down any signs of dissent. Said MCIGuy from his high horse. Ironic, coming from the guy who lectured me last week about how to post on HoyaTalk. Actually I pointed out how you hijacked a thread, that was supposed to be just about people giving their own personal expectations of the program, by berating the thoughts that you found disagreeable. If I "lectured" you it was only a response to the lecturing you had dished out to others. Don't complain about actions that you are guilty of all the time.
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2016 0:38:21 GMT -5
Said MCIGuy from his high horse. Ironic, coming from the guy who lectured me last week about how to post on HoyaTalk. As far as the actual substance, I think there were games where we definitely looked flat and others like the Creighton comeback where we did seem to bring intensity. Whether that's motivation or some other factor, I don't know. But, as I said before, unless you're in the clubhouse/locker room it's really tough to reliably analyze things like motivation. Disagree. It's pretty obvious when a team comes out flat (i.e., not motivated or ready or whatever you want to call the same thing). You don't have to be in the locker room. You just have to watch the players once the game starts. I think you're looking for why it happens, while the other posters are saying it is always the coach's responsibility to have a team ready to go once the whistle blows. I'll add the leader(s) of the team is(are) as, or almost as, important as the coaching staff in doing it. Exactly. At times the players are clearly lifeless and that is all about motivation. The opening halves at Providence and Villanova? Totally unacceptable.
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 5, 2016 1:15:24 GMT -5
Disagree. It's pretty obvious when a team comes out flat (i.e., not motivated or ready or whatever you want to call the same thing). You don't have to be in the locker room. You just have to watch the players once the game starts. I think you're looking for why it happens, while the other posters are saying it is always the coach's responsibility to have a team ready to go once the whistle blows. I'll add the leader(s) of the team is(are) as, or almost as, important as the coaching staff in doing it. Exactly. At times the players are clearly lifeless and that is all about motivation. The opening halves at Providence and Villanova? Totally unacceptable. It was weird, as if the other players were deferring to DSR to start games, and DSR going into "let's get others involved first" mode at the same time. Somebody has to want to make a play from the get-go! But I think that all has to do with the team's biggest flaw this year, on-court communication. Hopefully the guys will be in a lot better sync next season.
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 5, 2016 7:01:26 GMT -5
Exactly. At times the players are clearly lifeless and that is all about motivation. The opening halves at Providence and Villanova? Totally unacceptable. It was weird, as if the other players were deferring to DSR to start games, and DSR going into "let's get others involved first" mode at the same time. Somebody has to want to make a play from the get-go! But I think that all has to do with the team's biggest flaw this year, on-court communication. Hopefully the guys will be in a lot better sync next season. Starting games with energy is more about defense and rebounding than offense. Good defense and limiting your opponent to just open shot should lead to good offensive opportunities.
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Post by EasyEd on Apr 5, 2016 7:19:44 GMT -5
Reading Jon's life story makes me really, really want him to succeed in life and on the court.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 5, 2016 7:52:38 GMT -5
Think it's a Coaches job to recruit players that have that dog in them already or signs of it at least.. When I think of hard nosed agressive teams one of the first coaches that pops into my head is Huggins. Huggy isn't recruiting cats and turning them into dogs he's recruiting kids with a chip on their shoulder that already have that dog in them.. IMO If you have to spend time trying to teach kids how to play hard you already lost.. Recruit self starters, effort is a skill.. I agree with this, but a different name pops into my head first, and his name is Pops.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 5, 2016 9:13:19 GMT -5
Actually I pointed out how you hijacked a thread, that was supposed to be just about people giving their own personal expectations of the program, by berating the thoughts that you found disagreeable. If I "lectured" you it was only a response to the lecturing you had dished out to others. Don't complain about actions that you are guilty of all the time. You inserted yourself into this thread with no purpose other than to make a snarky comment aimed at me, but I hijack threads? I have never berated anybody, I've never made ad hominem attacks on here, and I've never told somebody what or how to post. I may be guilty of asking people for facts supporting their opinions and engaging in discussions. I thought that was the purpose of forums like this one. If there was no dialogue it would become a boring place pretty quickly.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 5, 2016 15:17:34 GMT -5
Said MCIGuy from his high horse. Ironic, coming from the guy who lectured me last week about how to post on HoyaTalk. As far as the actual substance, I think there were games where we definitely looked flat and others like the Creighton comeback where we did seem to bring intensity. Whether that's motivation or some other factor, I don't know. But, as I said before, unless you're in the clubhouse/locker room it's really tough to reliably analyze things like motivation. Disagree. It's pretty obvious when a team comes out flat (i.e., not motivated or ready or whatever you want to call the same thing). You don't have to be in the locker room. You just have to watch the players once the game starts. I think you're looking for why it happens, while the other posters are saying it is always the coach's responsibility to have a team ready to go once the whistle blows. I'll add the leader(s) of the team is(are) as, or almost as, important as the coaching staff in doing it. A combo of what exactly? Tiger and lion?
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Post by wnyhoya on Apr 5, 2016 15:55:46 GMT -5
I love how Jon said he had a lot to work on this summer. Love to see the self-awareness. I've gotta believe he truly will only get better this summer too bc he's going to be able to go against LJ every day who we consider to be a plus defender, great scorer and potential all BE first teamer next year. Should help him both offensively and defensively
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MCIGuy
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Post by MCIGuy on Apr 5, 2016 19:11:14 GMT -5
Actually I pointed out how you hijacked a thread, that was supposed to be just about people giving their own personal expectations of the program, by berating the thoughts that you found disagreeable. If I "lectured" you it was only a response to the lecturing you had dished out to others. Don't complain about actions that you are guilty of all the time. You inserted yourself into this thread with no purpose other than to make a snarky comment aimed at me, but I hijack threads? I have never berated anybody, I've never made ad hominem attacks on here, and I've never told somebody what or how to post. I may be guilty of asking people for facts supporting their opinions and engaging in discussions. I thought that was the purpose of forums like this one. If there was no dialogue it would become a boring place pretty quickly. Stop crying. Everything ain't all about you. I've inserted myself in this actual thread plenty of times for other reasons other than your mighty presence, so you can quit the ego trip already. Truth is I see your posts everywhere, tend to disagree with most of them, but move on about my business anyway without responding. However considering you, like some sort of ubiquitous digital squatter, have camped out on virtually every page of every thread of this forum it gets kind of hard to stay silent for every one of your posts. You think I berated you? Tough. You berate the ideas of those that don't see things from your point of view. So take it like a man when someone tosses it back at you from time to time. And you still don't get what the initial debate was all about between the two of us. There are a million threads on this site that were open to back-n-forth debates, including this one. But the thread asking for people's individual expectations for next season's team pretty much was just about each individual giving his or her view. You pretty much changed that by going into that thread to denounce the individual expectations of others you found fault with. And both then and now you could not grasp that it wasn't your say what a person's expectations should be. Are you so thick-headed and petty that you can't grasp that? There were more than enough threads for you to pay your regular visits to to prove how much smarter and reasonable you were regarding college hoops in general and Gtown hoops in particular; there was no need for that though in the expectations thread. But no....you HAD to have your say. You just can't help yourself. It's like some type of compulsion, you just can't let anything go. My more recent post in this thread didn't even address you directly but even that was too much of an insult for you to bare, you had to defend your honor! You always gotta have the last word and I'm sure you will in this back and forth because...well...that's who you are. And by the way you don't engage in discussions, you initiate endless debates. Even when people present those facts you claim you seek you simply dismiss them or overlook them and go back to the same arguments you have already made. But I'll admit that anytime I fall back into the trap of having these conversations with you I'm equally at fault for taking such threads off course and straying away from true discussions that other people are having. My apologies to those who are reading this thread.
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 5, 2016 19:43:50 GMT -5
Y'all gotta calm down this is a forum board about a college basketball team
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 5, 2016 20:45:44 GMT -5
You inserted yourself into this thread with no purpose other than to make a snarky comment aimed at me, but I hijack threads? I have never berated anybody, I've never made ad hominem attacks on here, and I've never told somebody what or how to post. I may be guilty of asking people for facts supporting their opinions and engaging in discussions. I thought that was the purpose of forums like this one. If there was no dialogue it would become a boring place pretty quickly. Stop crying. Everything ain't all about you. I've inserted myself in this actual thread plenty of times for other reasons other than your mighty presence, so you can quit the ego trip already. Truth is I see your posts everywhere, tend to disagree with most of them, but move on about my business anyway without responding. However considering you, like some sort of ubiquitous digital squatter, have camped out on virtually every page of every thread of this forum it gets kind of hard to stay silent for every one of your posts. You think I berated you? Tough. You berate the ideas of those that don't see things from your point of view. So take it like a man when someone tosses it back at you from time to time. And you still don't get what the initial debate was all about between the two of us. There are a million threads on this site that were open to back-n-forth debates, including this one. But the thread asking for people's individual expectations for next season's team pretty much was just about each individual giving his or her view. You pretty much changed that by going into that thread to denounce the individual expectations of others you found fault with. And both then and now you could not grasp that it wasn't your say what a person's expectations should be. Are you so thick-headed and petty that you can't grasp that? There were more than enough threads for you to pay your regular visits to to prove how much smarter and reasonable you were regarding college hoops in general and Gtown hoops in particular; there was no need for that though in the expectations thread. But no....you HAD to have your say. You just can't help yourself. It's like some type of compulsion, you just can't let anything go. My more recent post in this thread didn't even address you directly but even that was too much of an insult for you to bare, you had to defend your honor! You always gotta have the last word and I'm sure you will in this back and forth because...well...that's who you are. And by the way you don't engage in discussions, you initiate endless debates. Even when people present those facts you claim you seek you simply dismiss them or overlook them and go back to the same arguments you have already made. But I'll admit that anytime I fall back into the trap of having these conversations with you I'm equally at fault for taking such threads off course and straying away from true discussions that other people are having. My apologies to those who are reading this thread. Dude, seriously get a grip. You whine and complain about me needing the last word, except you specifically inserted yourself into this thread to call me "The Thought Police." You also said, "My more recent post in this thread didn't even address you directly" even though your comment about "The Thought Police" quoted me. So don't try to be cute, you know your comment was directed at me. Your post had absolutely nothing to do with substance, you just felt a need to interject and make your snarky comment. Which is fine, and maybe I should've let your pointless snark go by, rather than bringing myself to your level. You also tell me that I needed the last word, yet you are the one who is using a Jonathan Mulmore thread to rehash another thread about expectations! You claim to be above it all, and said you were done with it in the other thread, yet here you are days later rehashing an argument that you supposedly said was over. Seriously, you need to relax. If you don't like my posts, ignore them. But, I'm not going to let you tell me how or when to post, and I'm not going anywhere. To everyone else, sorry you had to read this mess.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 6, 2016 17:24:39 GMT -5
While some might find this entertaining, perhaps discussing the thread topic would be more so. Please take the argument to PMs.
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Post by Filo on Apr 6, 2016 19:34:19 GMT -5
Reading Jon's life story makes me really, really want him to succeed in life and on the court. Ed - Can you point me to something. Was it earlier in this thread (before the bickering. lol.)? I know, I am being lazy.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Apr 6, 2016 20:30:21 GMT -5
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Post by Filo on Apr 7, 2016 6:53:29 GMT -5
Thanks for posting. Seems like a great move for both player and team.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 7, 2016 19:13:53 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Apr 7, 2016 21:24:14 GMT -5
Made 2nd team all-American. We got a winner!
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