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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 7, 2016 13:37:12 GMT -5
Reggie should get his degree and then do the grad transfer thing if he is eligible to a lower competition school. I would like to see him stay as guys who stick with the program for four years are a rarity which is why Hayes & DSR are to be commended.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Mar 7, 2016 13:57:02 GMT -5
We can't have it both way. There's been a lot of griping about wanting the staff to grind harder and look for under the radar kids, kids that are athletic but not necessarily seen as "high majors" especially those in our own backyard. (Of which I agree they definitely need to). You can't complain when they do that. Whether he works out or not isn't the issue. as Deacon said I'm sure there's more to the offer than just the offer. Relationships are key.
Also, if he's listed at 6'7" I'm assuming he's closer to 6'5, 6'6...those that have seen him play, how's his handle? I for one love athletic kids even if they're not "complete" bball players yet. They're the ones who really develop if they work hard. Especially ones that already have the dog in them. You can't really teach intensity. Limited physically players like Reggie's ceilings are that much lower. You take a flyer on a kind like this.
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Post by dense on Mar 7, 2016 14:11:02 GMT -5
We can't have it both way. There's been a lot of griping about wanting the staff to grind harder and look for under the radar kids, kids that are athletic but not necessarily seen as "high majors" especially those in our own backyard. (Of which I agree they definitely need to). You can't complain when they do that. Whether he works out or not isn't the issue. as Deacon said I'm sure there's more to the offer than just the offer. Relationships are key. Also, if he's listed at 6'7" I'm assuming he's closer to 6'5, 6'6...those that have seen him play, how's his handle? I for one love athletic kids even if they're not "complete" bball players yet. They're the ones who really develop if they work hard. Especially ones that already have the dog in them. You can't really teach intensity. Limited physically players like Reggie's ceilings are that much lower. You take a flyer on a kind like this. He has a pretty nice stroke. He can step out and shoot and it will get better more he does. His handle isnt his strength but he isnt terrible at that either. He probably is 6'6. He is definitely taller than me and I am 6'4.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 7, 2016 15:57:00 GMT -5
We can't have it both way. There's been a lot of griping about wanting the staff to grind harder and look for under the radar kids, kids that are athletic but not necessarily seen as "high majors" especially those in our own backyard. (Of which I agree they definitely need to). You can't complain when they do that. Whether he works out or not isn't the issue. as Deacon said I'm sure there's more to the offer than just the offer. Relationships are key. Also, if he's listed at 6'7" I'm assuming he's closer to 6'5, 6'6...those that have seen him play, how's his handle? I for one love athletic kids even if they're not "complete" bball players yet. They're the ones who really develop if they work hard. Especially ones that already have the dog in them. You can't really teach intensity. Limited physically players like Reggie's ceilings are that much lower. You take a flyer on a kind like this. Not from me. This staff can't develop talent, and isn't good enough at the Xs and Os to win with mediocre talent, so the only way we're going to win is with excellent talent. We have to recruit at a Syracuse level to be a top 15 program.
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Post by deacon on Mar 7, 2016 16:09:23 GMT -5
I doubt he qualifies just as much as I doubt this offer is just about Antwan. If he does qualify, I have no issue with him coming whatsoever. Iron sharpens iron and we need kids with his approach to the game. And I'll reiterate, this offer obviously isn't just about Antwan. I get it. I get what you're saying Deacon but Boyd is a 2018 kid, to me the program needs more help in the back-court for next season.. Absolutely. However, recruiting is grimy - filthy really - and I don't mind a whatever it takes mentality. That doesn't mean flat out cheating, even though every program bends the rules. It sometimes means offering a fringe high-major prospect who may or may not qualify if it means strengthening a relationship with his head coach and possibly increasing your chances with his teammate - the big fish - in the 2018 class. Totally get it.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 7, 2016 16:14:09 GMT -5
I get what you're saying Deacon but Boyd is a 2018 kid, to me the program needs more help in the back-court for next season.. Absolutely. However, recruiting is grimy - filthy really - and I don't mind a whatever it takes mentality. That doesn't mean flat out cheating, even though every program bends the rules. It sometimes means offering a fringe high-major prospect who may or may not qualify if it means strengthening a relationship with his head coach and possibly increasing your chances with his teammate - the big fish - in the 2018 class. Totally get it. That point of view makes sense, but people on here supporting trying to find more "under the radar" kids? That's the last thing we need right now.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 7, 2016 16:24:22 GMT -5
Put me in the boat of either someone is leaving or he is going prep school route. To use the last open scholly on a non PG type player seems like a bad use of that valuable scholly and that has nothing to do with Antwan.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 7, 2016 16:31:24 GMT -5
Put me in the boat of either someone is leaving or he is going prep school route. To use the last open scholly on a non PG type player seems like a bad use of that valuable scholly and that has nothing to do with Antwan. I would be shocked if everybody that right now is eligible to come back next year actually comes back next year. My guess is we have 2-3 additional scholarships to work with by the time it's all said and done. Hope that's not breaking any board rules to say that. If this kid is a fringe high major but helps with Simms and Boyd, I'm all for it.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 7, 2016 16:46:28 GMT -5
With the rules changes, an underclassman is allowed to go to the NBA combine and tryout with one team without giving up eligibility, so I expect a couple guys to at least test the waters and get feedback. Really there's nothing to lose since you can pull your name out of the draft after the combine and tryout.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 7, 2016 17:21:56 GMT -5
Absolutely. However, recruiting is grimy - filthy really - and I don't mind a whatever it takes mentality. That doesn't mean flat out cheating, even though every program bends the rules. It sometimes means offering a fringe high-major prospect who may or may not qualify if it means strengthening a relationship with his head coach and possibly increasing your chances with his teammate - the big fish - in the 2018 class. Totally get it. That point of view makes sense, but people on here supporting trying to find more "under the radar" kids? That's the last thing we need right now. The problem is that the guys who are on the radar for 2016 are largely spoken for. A few may free up after coaches are fired or via graduate transfers but the quality of graduate transfers usually isn't that high - but, the supply is small so there's a ton of competition for everyone who is available even if they're mediocre.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 18:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 7, 2016 18:32:51 GMT -5
Put me in the boat of either someone is leaving or he is going prep school route. To use the last open scholly on a non PG type player seems like a bad use of that valuable scholly and that has nothing to do with Antwan. It's been reported by several publications that Antwan Walker is more then likely going the prep school rout for more exposure and continued development. He is labeled as a very late bloomer. He is young for his class as he just turned 17 in November. I believe this offer from the staff is for the 17 class. Also we currently have 2 scholarships available that can be used in the 16 class or held for 17 class. I think the staff looks to add at least one 5th year free agent. Probably a PG and then recoup that scholarship to be used for a very talented and deep 2017 class. I doubt we add any other freshman to pair with Mosely in the 2016 class. Antwan Walker has a ton of athleticism and upside. He will benefit from continued strength, skill development and will be a highly recruited prospect after a year at a Prep school.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 7, 2016 19:16:43 GMT -5
I agree and I am actually happy about this. If someone leaves early or transfers, i dont think its a death for us next year. I bet this offer does have to do with someone leaving. Exactly. The coming roster shakeup will be a good thing. This team was really bad this year and got worse as the season went on. Not sure why fans wouldn't want things to look a lot different come next October. We don't need a totally different looking team, we need a changing of the guard. We need LJ, Paul and Ike to be our best players. Love DSR but he is not a winning player. He can't be your best player if you expect to be a winning team. Paul is a winner and Ike and LJ have the finishing ability. Trey, Jagan and Kaleb will be our bulldogs. We will be good next year.....
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Post by IDenj on Mar 7, 2016 20:31:29 GMT -5
This program has had its fill of under the radar types, late bloomers or high upside guys. What the Hoyas need is ready now types. I like where the recruiting trail is for the '17s but man we need to start landing some of those targets. And fast.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 7, 2016 20:55:03 GMT -5
This program has had its fill of under the radar types, late bloomers or high upside guys. What the Hoyas need is ready now types. I like where the recruiting trail is for the '17s but man we need to start landing some of those targets. And fast. I disagree. Brilly and Greg were under the radar types and they were able to play on the high major level. I don't know if anyone is leaving but if one of two do make the jump we will be hurting for O next year. If AW does go the prep route we could be loaded in 2018 with Lykes, Kaleb, Jagan, Keldon, AW and Ty in the backcourt.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 7, 2016 22:38:42 GMT -5
This program has had its fill of under the radar types, late bloomers or high upside guys. What the Hoyas need is ready now types. I like where the recruiting trail is for the '17s but man we need to start landing some of those targets. And fast. I disagree. Brilly and Greg were under the radar types and they were able to play on the high major level. I don't know if anyone is leaving but if one of two do make the jump we will be hurting for O next year. If AW does go the prep route we could be loaded in 2018 with Lykes, Kaleb, Jagan, Keldon, AW and Ty in the backcourt. We're already hurting. And no offense to either of them, but if we want to be a top 15 program, we've got to recruit better players than Trawick and Whittington.
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Post by dreamhoya on Mar 8, 2016 0:12:12 GMT -5
Whittington IS a heck of a player...
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Post by daymondmyles on Mar 8, 2016 7:11:18 GMT -5
I disagree. Brilly and Greg were under the radar types and they were able to play on the high major level. I don't know if anyone is leaving but if one of two do make the jump we will be hurting for O next year. If AW does go the prep route we could be loaded in 2018 with Lykes, Kaleb, Jagan, Keldon, AW and Ty in the backcourt. We're already hurting. And no offense to either of them, but if we want to be a top 15 program, we've got to recruit better players than Trawick and Whittington. That's true in part. Not sure players like Trawick and Whittington could be our best 2 players for us to be a team that goes deep in the tourney, but they absolutely could be 3-5 best on our team. They are both NBDL players and decent ones at that. Not many teams outside the top 15 can say that.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 8, 2016 7:43:14 GMT -5
We're already hurting. And no offense to either of them, but if we want to be a top 15 program, we've got to recruit better players than Trawick and Whittington. That's true in part. Not sure players like Trawick and Whittington could be our best 2 players for us to be a team that goes deep in the tourney, but they absolutely could be 3-5 best on our team. They are both NBDL players and decent ones at that. Not many teams outside the top 15 can say that. It's not the talent,it's the junkyard dog that Brilly and Greg brought to the table. Otto, Kel and Hop were the big ? while Brilly and Greg brought the "intangibles". It's not talent that our Hoyas are lacking its toughness and fight. I think AW maybe a hell of a player but he isn't the best recruit we are after. Especially if he is going to be'17. Lykes, JJ and Simms/Pugh would be the big fish while AW and Ty bring the intangibles.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Mar 8, 2016 12:33:17 GMT -5
We're already hurting. And no offense to either of them, but if we want to be a top 15 program, we've got to recruit better players than Trawick and Whittington. That's true in part. Not sure players like Trawick and Whittington could be our best 2 players for us to be a team that goes deep in the tourney, but they absolutely could be 3-5 best on our team. They are both NBDL players and decent ones at that. Not many teams outside the top 15 can say that. Trawick is a dime a dozen. There are 300 players in every class who can play that role.
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