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Post by kchoya on Mar 22, 2016 12:27:20 GMT -5
The second part of that statement may be true, but the first part is a sweeping generalization that's simply not true. The McMansion part was glib, but in terms of the for-profit hospital/medical industry (not talking about the folks on ER working in inner-city Chicago), it is a very suburbanized/exurbanized profession. There are excellent treatments of this topic in James Schafer's "The Business of Private Medical Practice: Doctors, Specialization, and Urban Change in Philadelphia, 1900-1940" and "Medicine Moves to the Mall" by David Charles Sloane and Beverlie Conant Sloane. Besides, don't you live in Idaho? What do you know about cities? (kidding, kidding, etc.) Har har har. Having married in to the medical profession, I've had the pleasure (?) of becoming familiar with doctors and administrators in four different urban settings in different parts of the country. I know that anecdote =/= data, and maybe my experience isn't typical, but I've experienced the opposite of what you describe. I don't doubt that there was a yearning for the greener pastures of the suburbs, but I think that was more indicative of the society as a whole, and not just the medical/hospital profession.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 22, 2016 12:55:45 GMT -5
Yea, it's definitely indicative of society as a whole over the last X decades. It's just that highly-educated and highly-compensated medical professionals were/are better able to act on that yearning and also it made business sense for them to follow their well-off customer base out to the suburbs as white flight (and middle class flight more generally) progressed. Whereas lawyers and lobbyists wanted to be close to City Hall and courthouses and so remained downtown-oriented.
Man did we get off topic or what haha.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 22, 2016 14:30:38 GMT -5
Yea, it's definitely indicative of society as a whole over the last X decades. It's just that highly-educated and highly-compensated medical professionals were/are better able to act on that yearning and also it made business sense for them to follow their well-off customer base out to the suburbs as white flight (and middle class flight more generally) progressed. Whereas lawyers and lobbyists wanted to be close to City Hall and courthouses and so remained downtown-oriented. Isn't this a generalization? For every doctor that recommitted to a in-city hospital, you've got an attorney who moved his practice to an office park and sends a first-year associate to file papers. And outside of state capitals and the DC area, the number of cities with "lobbyists" could probably be counted on one hand with some fingers left over.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 22, 2016 19:48:14 GMT -5
Yea, it's definitely indicative of society as a whole over the last X decades. It's just that highly-educated and highly-compensated medical professionals were/are better able to act on that yearning and also it made business sense for them to follow their well-off customer base out to the suburbs as white flight (and middle class flight more generally) progressed. Whereas lawyers and lobbyists wanted to be close to City Hall and courthouses and so remained downtown-oriented. Isn't this a generalization? For every doctor that recommitted to a in-city hospital, you've got an attorney who moved his practice to an office park and sends a first-year associate to file papers. And outside of state capitals and the DC area, the number of cities with "lobbyists" could probably be counted on one hand with some fingers left over. Yup. All the lawyers I know live out here in the 'burbs with me. And to be specific, I live in the same place I lived when I worked in the inner city as I do now that I work farther out. I chose where I live based in large part on the school system.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 22, 2016 23:23:43 GMT -5
Yea, it's definitely indicative of society as a whole over the last X decades. It's just that highly-educated and highly-compensated medical professionals were/are better able to act on that yearning and also it made business sense for them to follow their well-off customer base out to the suburbs as white flight (and middle class flight more generally) progressed. Whereas lawyers and lobbyists wanted to be close to City Hall and courthouses and so remained downtown-oriented. Isn't this a generalization? For every doctor that recommitted to a in-city hospital, you've got an attorney who moved his practice to an office park and sends a first-year associate to file papers. And outside of state capitals and the DC area, the number of cities with "lobbyists" could probably be counted on one hand with some fingers left over. Generalizations can be broadly true/accurate. Law firms remain one of the bedrocks of Central business districts, along with their primary clients, the major corporate offices. Criminal defense firms often locate near courthouses because they have to go there often to cut deals with DAs and do other things that junior associates can't do. As for lobbying, I'm afraid you have an out-of-date view of the business, though that is understandable, since it often masquerades under other labels (consulting, legal, marketing, PR, research, etc.). Lobbying city and county governments is increasingly big business. Meanwhile, every state legislators has one or more district offices, and Members of Congress each have several as well, scattered around their states. Lobbying of elected officials is now truly a nationwide industry.
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Post by Just Cos on Mar 23, 2016 1:28:45 GMT -5
To Dan's point I think quality of public schools plays the largest role.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Mar 23, 2016 8:02:35 GMT -5
So wait, we need Doctors & lawyers more centrally located to improve Gtown basketball? Back to the topic at hand.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 23, 2016 17:40:15 GMT -5
My seats are in 112 - is that centrally located enough?
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Post by b52legend on Mar 23, 2016 18:01:38 GMT -5
Isn't this a generalization? For every doctor that recommitted to a in-city hospital, you've got an attorney who moved his practice to an office park and sends a first-year associate to file papers. And outside of state capitals and the DC area, the number of cities with "lobbyists" could probably be counted on one hand with some fingers left over. Generalizations can be broadly true/accurate. I totally agree with this. Its easy to poke holes in any generalization/stereotype that is thrown out there, but that doesn't necessarily negate the factual premise of the generalization/stereotype. Generalization/stereotypes often times are true (as such) and help us to better understand trends in the world around us. Undercutting them by stating what they are -- generalizations/stereotypes -- seems to be about as helpful as relying upon anecdotal evidence in the first place. If the premise of a generalization/stereotype isn't true, that is another story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2016 11:51:45 GMT -5
Jus sayin it might help....lol
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Post by kchoya on Mar 24, 2016 17:09:49 GMT -5
Jus sayin it might help....lol And I bet he doesn't make $3M per year.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 14, 2016 11:46:50 GMT -5
Didn't read this thread, but seemed like the most appropriate place for this. Not sure if it was brought up before but saw it on the S. John's board.
"The Univ. of Michigan ticket office "has reached out to students regarding a downward trend in basketball ticket requests," according to Tony Paul of the DETROIT NEWS. The department, in an email sent to students who had not yet renewed for next season, wrote, "So far, men's basketball student ticket renewals are significantly lower than they have been in recent years. ... We would like to find out why so we can better serve future student ticket-holders." Paul notes Michigan basketball "had a tough time with attendance this season, and not just with the students." There were "large pockets of empty seats for almost all games, even the marquee games like Maryland and Michigan State." UM Associate AD/External Communications & PR Kurt Svoboda said that it is "too early to tell how many Michigan students will hold tickets" for '16-17, as the "deadline for tickets isn't until the summer." For most games this past season, Crisler Center "allocated about 25 percent of the capacity, or 2,530 seats, to students." There were "no games" where all the student tickets were claimed. The home schedule "could be one reason for the lack of enthusiasm." Outside of Xavier and the Big Ten slate, Michigan "didn't have an appealing opponent at Crisler Center" (DETROIT NEWS, 4/13)."
1)it's clear lack of support is not just a Georgetown issue. 2) I think it would be a good idea for Georgetown to reach out in a similar manner.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 15, 2016 13:37:48 GMT -5
Here's a possible non-player & facility improvement that can be made: fund the Academic Resource Center that supports our student-athletes to the level of our peers. On the plus side, this article gets Lee Reed to weigh in on our ongoing conversation about "what is the Georgetown model?" I would love to see what's obscured by those ellipses. Also amusing: the academic coordinator's suggestion (accidental or otherwise) that they've been actively working for two or three years to eliminate sports at Georgetown: I wonder who's at the bottom of the totem poll these days. The homeless tennis teams? The homeless field hockey team? Wilk's Work-Study Warriors?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Apr 15, 2016 13:51:44 GMT -5
Here's a possible non-player & facility improvement that can be made: fund the Academic Resource Center that supports our student-athletes to the level of our peers. “We have [teams] that compete and we resource to compete on a national level … and we have some that are more participation sports,” Reed said.I would love to see what's obscured by those ellipses. Also amusing: the academic coordinator's suggestion (accidental or otherwise) that they've been actively working for two or three years to eliminate sports at Georgetown: I wonder who's at the bottom of the totem poll these days. The homeless tennis teams? The homeless field hockey team? Wilk's Work-Study Warriors?[/quote] We've talked about this before, Russky. I think the model from the 80s, 90s, and early 00s still essentially holds: we have national sports (goal to win a national championship; funded accordingly); regional sports (goal to win a conference championship; funded accordingly); and local sports (goal to have a team; funded accordingly). Teams have certainly moved between those levels over the years, but I think the national sports presently are the basketballs, the soccers, the lacrosses, and the (middle?) distance-running portion of track/cross country. I think the local sports are certainly tennis and field hockey. I'd add swimming to that. I think baseball is somewhere between local and regional. They are now funded much better than they were 10-15 years ago, though still not at a level where they can really compete for a conference championship (let alone nationally) on a consistent basis. They now have some scholarships and they travel much more.
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Post by reformation on Apr 15, 2016 14:10:00 GMT -5
Its certainly way past time to rethink the sports mix as the competitive landscape for a lot of the sports has changed. Gtwn needs to think a little more strategically about how to participate. I suspect that a rethink will have to wait till DeGioia is retired and a new outsider would replace him.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Apr 15, 2016 14:34:52 GMT -5
Yea, we've talked about it at length aleutianhoya (although there remain plenty of dissenters, seemingly including the esteemed proprietor of this establishment). I generally agree with your breakdown, although in the New Big East some teams may be much closer to a conference championship than they were when sharing a conference with the likes of Notre Dame, Louisville, and Syracuse. That is, assuming those sports don't bring in ringer associate members, as men's lax has done with Denver, women's lax with Florida, field hockey with UConn, etc.
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