GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 19, 2016 13:25:20 GMT -5
Well we know that we have zero shot at our current level. To win the BET we would need to somehow capture everything we have been missing, have multiple players (especially Ike, Trey, even Reggie) somehow play and contribute with confidence, and have DSR rediscover his game. That would not be an indictment of the conference, because we would not win the title without earning and deserving it. It would, of course, be an indictment of most of the first 4 months of our season. While I am loathe to argue with my elders, if we are the best team in the league, even with the above contributions, the league stinks. To be quite honest, I think the league does kind of stink. Teams like Providence, Seton Hall and Butler better hope we dont completely fall into oblivion because they are propped up somewhat be beating us. What if we finish 15-17 and like 100 in the RPI? Does their 6 wins over us mean a whole lot? Conversely, as others said, one upset in the BET and our road to the final isnt exactly treacherous.
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gunny
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Post by gunny on Feb 19, 2016 13:27:38 GMT -5
I understand the landscape of college basketball better than you since you had to use an example from 2006 (10 years ago). This just does not happen in todays college basketball landscape. It is not like the Hoyas have a Kemba Walker or Shabazz Napier walking through the door tomorrow. Another staple of those teams which went on runs like Syracuse with McNamara or either Connecticut team was a good defense. This team does not have that either. I will say that I wish this would happen, but this team has so many weaknesses which have been exposed since the first game of the season. Is this where I point out that KenPom has our defense this year ranked at basically the same as Syracuse's finished at in 2006? And while DSR is no Shabazz or Kemba, this year's Big East isn't exactly the 2011 Big East either. And hey, Providence did it in 2014 with a defense outside the KenPom top 100. By the way, in case you haven't noticed, no one on here thinks this Hoyas team has all that good of a chance to win the BET, so I wouldn't derive too much of an ego boost from shooting down other poster's admittedly overly-optimistic posts. It's a Friday--let people dream. Does KenPm also take into account fouling rates and equate that into its defensive rating? I am sure the Hoyas put up a nice defensive number the other night when Seton Hall did not hit a field goal in the last 14 minutes of the game. I think the 2014 Providence team had a dominant guard by the name of Bryce Cotton and other talent such as lefty LaDontae Henton, and Kadeem Batts. Heck even Carson Desrosiers put up decent games against the Hoyas that year. There is no Bryce Cotton on this current Hoyas team.
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TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 19, 2016 13:31:57 GMT -5
Is this where I point out that KenPom has our defense this year ranked at basically the same as Syracuse's finished at in 2006? And while DSR is no Shabazz or Kemba, this year's Big East isn't exactly the 2011 Big East either. And hey, Providence did it in 2014 with a defense outside the KenPom top 100. By the way, in case you haven't noticed, no one on here thinks this Hoyas team has all that good of a chance to win the BET, so I wouldn't derive too much of an ego boost from shooting down other poster's admittedly overly-optimistic posts. It's a Friday--let people dream. Does KenPm also take into account fouling rates and equate that into its defensive rating? I am sure the Hoyas put up a nice defensive number the other night when Seton Hall did not hit a field goal in the last 14 minutes of the game. I think the 2014 Providence team had a dominant guard by the name of Bryce Cotton and other talent such as lefty LaDontae Henton, and Kadeem Batts. Heck even Carson Desrosiers put up decent games against the Hoyas that year. There is no Bryce Cotton on this current Hoyas team. Here's an explanation. Educate yourself. kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/ratings_glossary
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 19, 2016 13:32:05 GMT -5
Is this where I point out that KenPom has our defense this year ranked at basically the same as Syracuse's finished at in 2006? And while DSR is no Shabazz or Kemba, this year's Big East isn't exactly the 2011 Big East either. And hey, Providence did it in 2014 with a defense outside the KenPom top 100. By the way, in case you haven't noticed, no one on here thinks this Hoyas team has all that good of a chance to win the BET, so I wouldn't derive too much of an ego boost from shooting down other poster's admittedly overly-optimistic posts. It's a Friday--let people dream. Does KenPm also take into account fouling rates and equate that into its defensive rating? I am sure the Hoyas put up a nice defensive number the other night when Seton Hall did not hit a field goal in the last 14 minutes of the game. I think the 2014 Providence team had a dominant guard by the name of Bryce Cotton and other talent such as lefty LaDontae Henton, and Kadeem Batts. Heck even Carson Desrosiers put up decent games against the Hoyas that year. There is no Bryce Cotton on this current Hoyas team. We get it bud, you think pigs will fly before the Hoyas win the BET, you made your point. Now let the people who actually want to discuss the BET (and our slim chances to win it) move forward.
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Post by gunny on Feb 19, 2016 13:55:55 GMT -5
Does KenPm also take into account fouling rates and equate that into its defensive rating? I am sure the Hoyas put up a nice defensive number the other night when Seton Hall did not hit a field goal in the last 14 minutes of the game. I think the 2014 Providence team had a dominant guard by the name of Bryce Cotton and other talent such as lefty LaDontae Henton, and Kadeem Batts. Heck even Carson Desrosiers put up decent games against the Hoyas that year. There is no Bryce Cotton on this current Hoyas team. We get it bud, you think pigs will fly before the Hoyas win the BET, you made your point. Now let the people who actually want to discuss the BET (and our slim chances to win it) move forward. So if we are talking about the BET, why don't we talk about the realistic chances of DePaul and St. John's winning the tournament. Maybe the cow will jump over the moon and this could happen as well.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 19, 2016 14:09:05 GMT -5
Is this where I point out that KenPom has our defense this year ranked at basically the same as Syracuse's finished at in 2006? And while DSR is no Shabazz or Kemba, this year's Big East isn't exactly the 2011 Big East either. And hey, Providence did it in 2014 with a defense outside the KenPom top 100. By the way, in case you haven't noticed, no one on here thinks this Hoyas team has all that good of a chance to win the BET, so I wouldn't derive too much of an ego boost from shooting down other poster's admittedly overly-optimistic posts. It's a Friday--let people dream. Does KenPm also take into account fouling rates and equate that into its defensive rating? I am sure the Hoyas put up a nice defensive number the other night when Seton Hall did not hit a field goal in the last 14 minutes of the game. I think the 2014 Providence team had a dominant guard by the name of Bryce Cotton and other talent such as lefty LaDontae Henton, and Kadeem Batts. Heck even Carson Desrosiers put up decent games against the Hoyas that year. There is no Bryce Cotton on this current Hoyas team. Uh, no. The Pomeroy numbers are based entirely on points allowed. It's then simply calculated on a per possession (rather than per game or per minute) basis and everyone is ranked against average. So, our fouling rate (to the extent it leads to points, which we all strongly assume it does, is baked into the number). So, if our defensive number is the same as Syracuse's was in 2006, our defense is (right now, including fouling) as good as theirs was. At least in the only defensive metric that ultimately matters -- how often do you give up points.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 19, 2016 16:03:00 GMT -5
We get it bud, you think pigs will fly before the Hoyas win the BET, you made your point. Now let the people who actually want to discuss the BET (and our slim chances to win it) move forward. So if we are talking about the BET, why don't we talk about the realistic chances of DePaul and St. John's winning the tournament. Maybe the cow will jump over the moon and this could happen as well. Because this isn't a DePaul or St. John's forum?
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 19, 2016 16:24:17 GMT -5
So if we are talking about the BET, why don't we talk about the realistic chances of DePaul and St. John's winning the tournament. Maybe the cow will jump over the moon and this could happen as well. Because this isn't a DePaul or St. John's forum? Also, no one on DePaul or St. John's has ever been picked as the pre-season Big East player of the year.
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 19, 2016 16:29:16 GMT -5
Because this isn't a DePaul or St. John's forum? Also, no one on DePaul or St. John's has ever been picked as the pre-season Big East player of the year. Also, DePaul and St. John's got swept by Georgetown. No way they can win the BET if they can't even beat the Hoyas.
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