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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 6:09:54 GMT -5
Did the President actually admonish people who won't compromise and only listen to those who agree with them?
The World Heavyweight Championship of Self-indulgent Hypocrisy can now be retired.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2016 11:47:14 GMT -5
Did the President actually admonish people who won't compromise and only listen to those who agree with them? The World Heavyweight Championship of Self-indulgent Hypocrisy can now be retired. Say what? For you to even mention Obama in the same breath as "won't compromise", given the stated and demonstrated policy of the Republican party since his election, represents the zenith of arrogance and hypocrisy, or ignorance. I suspect you are not ignorant. Based on that statement, Obama has no shot at that Championship. All yours.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
Did the President actually admonish people who won't compromise and only listen to those who agree with them? The World Heavyweight Championship of Self-indulgent Hypocrisy can now be retired. Say what? For you to even mention Obama in the same breath as "won't compromise", given the stated and demonstrated policy of the Republican party since his election, represents the zenith of arrogance and hypocrisy, or ignorance. I suspect you are not ignorant. Based on that statement, Obama has no shot at that Championship. All yours. And there it is. Pot calling kettle... My inability to compromise on issues does not hamstring the nation. His and the Republican Party's does. Mr. Obama has a hard time distinguishing between compromise and capitulation. As I am sure he is not stupid, it is deliberate. His idea of compromise is for his opponents to give him everything he wants and then thank him for taking it.
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2016 12:20:13 GMT -5
His idea of compromise is for his opponents to give him everything he wants and then thank him for taking it. E, given the reality of Republicans in Congress over the last 7 years, this statement is so ridiculous that, for once, I don't know what to say...
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 12:38:23 GMT -5
i love your zeal. I am not defending g the Republicans in Congress but the President is not exactly a willing compromiser either. Remember he has his pen and his phone to do what he wants...
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Post by kchoya on Jan 13, 2016 12:42:19 GMT -5
i love your zeal. I am not defending g the Republicans in Congress but the President is not exactly a willing compromiser either. Remember he has his pen and his phone to do what he wants... I believe the phrase you're looking for is “audacious executive action”. National Review
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2016 13:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2016 13:11:44 GMT -5
i love your zeal. I am not defending g the Republicans in Congress but the President is not exactly a willing compromiser either. Remember he has his pen and his phone to do what he wants... I believe the phrase you're looking for is “audacious executive action”. National ReviewGiven the no compromise tactics of the GOP and the failure of Congress to, you know, actually govern... And let's keep this in the realm of reality. Obama can effect little of substance through Executive Action, relative to what should by accomplished.
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Post by DallasHoya on Jan 13, 2016 13:53:28 GMT -5
[/quote]Given the no compromise tactics of the GOP and the failure of Congress to, you know, actually govern...
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Sometimes not enacting what you or the President want is governing.
After winning in 2008, in dealing with Republicans on healthcare reform, the President effectively (and maybe literally) said "I won" the election so I and the Democrats elected get to enact what I want.
After winning in 2010, 2012 and 2014, the Republicans basically said the same thing.
Since when is representing the voters who elected you equal not governing?
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Post by TBird41 on Jan 13, 2016 14:00:43 GMT -5
The next president should go back to submitting written reports to Congress, especially if Trump, Cruz or Hillary wins. No one wants to hear them give a SOTU address and Congress shouldn't invite them to do so.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 15:08:32 GMT -5
That would certainly be better than the annual Edited...
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Post by TC on Jan 13, 2016 16:12:18 GMT -5
i love your zeal. I am not defending g the Republicans in Congress but the President is not exactly a willing compromiser either. Remember he has his pen and his phone to do what he wants... What compromises have been politically available the last seven years that prove that? Any Republican House Majority Leader that signed on to anything that Obama approved of would be committing career suicide.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 16:35:38 GMT -5
Much like the tango, compromise takes two. Obama walked into office announcing he had won. Good for him. He rammed through the hijack known as ACA on party line vote. Good for him. I refuse to listen to him lecture about compromise now. Sorry.
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Post by SaxaCD on Jan 13, 2016 16:37:00 GMT -5
The next president should go back to submitting written reports to Congress, especially if Trump, Cruz or Hillary wins. No one wants to hear them give a SOTU address and Congress shouldn't invite them to do so. A Trump SOU could be comedy gold.
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Post by TC on Jan 13, 2016 17:02:18 GMT -5
Much like the tango, compromise takes two. Obama walked into office announcing he had won. Good for him. He rammed through the hijack known as ACA on party line vote. Good for him. I refuse to listen to him lecture about compromise now. Sorry. Right. He spent more than four months of supermajority advantage trying to woo any Republican he could to vote for it. Bob Bennett became "not a conservative" and got tossed out of office for sponsoring a completely different health care bill. Again, what "compromise" was there in an environment where cosponsoring any sort of healthcare bill gets you tossed? Health care, climate, immigration reform - Republicans were not going to compromise or make any sort of deal on any of those areas. Bringing up ACA as an area where he didn't compromise shows how absolutely disingenuous or completely removed from reality this line of criticism is.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 17:21:46 GMT -5
Only if your definitions of compromise is the same as his. My kids used to compromise like the President. Then they left preschool.
There was no compromise to be had because he insisted on his way or the highway. Good for him. To hear him whine about lack of compromise and excessive partisanship simply rings hollow.
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Post by TC on Jan 13, 2016 17:49:02 GMT -5
Only if your definitions of compromise is the same as his. My kids used to compromise like the President. Then they left preschool. There was no compromise to be had because he insisted on his way or the highway. Good for him. To hear him whine about lack of compromise and excessive partisanship simply rings hollow. To hear you complaining about him complaining about excessive partisanship rings hollow. You've pretty much defined it over the last eight years on this board. If I have enough time tonight, maybe I'll count the number of threads you've created to make petty complaints about him.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 13, 2016 17:56:33 GMT -5
Guilty as charged. The difference is I am a dope on a message board and he is the leader of the free world. My behavior matters to few. His to all. He should do better.
Oh and if you time to do that, you have way too much free time.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 13, 2016 18:14:43 GMT -5
The man sought and negotiated an enormous compromise back in 2012 on budgetary issues that would have included big entitlement cuts -- a holy grail for Dems that he was willing to give on. The rank and file Repubs wouldn't do it, it collapsed, and it was the beginning of the end for the speaker.
He also sought compromise on gun issues. I don't think anyone can argue that the Republican position is anything but extreme intransigence on that one.
Immigration would be another issue that he was willing to compromise on. Many Republicans were too, but not enough.
I'm not saying that one side or another was right or wrong in sticking to their, err, guns, but its certainly wrong to say he wasn't willing to compromise.
On what issue, perhaps except for climate issues and Iran, was he not willing to compromise?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 13, 2016 18:27:59 GMT -5
Only if your definitions of compromise is the same as his. My kids used to compromise like the President. Then they left preschool. There was no compromise to be had because he insisted on his way or the highway. Good for him. To hear him whine about lack of compromise and excessive partisanship simply rings hollow. Talk about ringing hollow...
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