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Post by Massholya on Feb 11, 2018 16:10:59 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Feb 11, 2018 16:41:33 GMT -5
I asked in other thread. Who was last Hoya to get 18 rebounds in a BE game? Wash Post said Hayes had 18 against UNC Charlotte in 2015. But 18 against Seton Hall and Delgado (even though he seems to be nursing a bad knee) has to be Right up there with all time Hoya rebounds in a BE game.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 11, 2018 17:45:41 GMT -5
I asked in other thread. Who was last Hoya to get 18 rebounds in a BE game? Wash Post said Hayes had 18 against UNC Charlotte in 2015. But 18 against Seton Hall and Delgado (even though he seems to be nursing a bad knee) has to be Right up there with all time Hoya rebounds in a BE game. Mike Sweetney went for 35 points and 20 rebounds vs ND in 2002, but that went four overtimes. Merlin Wilson had 25 rebounds versus the Hall in 1974, but the post-1980 record is Dikembe Mutombo's 27 rebounds versus UConn in 1991, a game Georgetown won by 21 despite shooting just 28 percent (17-60). Defense!
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 11, 2018 18:07:33 GMT -5
I don't have any issue with MD being considered the best on the team. But you do realize that on the road back-to-back games against Xavier and PC, the team looked best with Govan being the dominant player on the floor, right? When Govan is on he is the most difficult guy for our opponents to defend. Debatable against Xavier. Marcus was huge on the boards. Govan should be the most difficult to guard. He's got a size advantage on basically everyone in the league. A large one against the Friars. If size advantage meant everything in basketball then we would be able to predict who would be the most dominant players at every level just based upon measurements. Bradley Hayes had a size advantage over nearly everyone and he never had as good a season as Govan is having. So give Govan credit for making his leap and at least acknowledge that his skill level allows him to be effective just as much as his size. Derrickson is the most naturally gifted rebounder on the team for the past few seasons but still he is helped out a lot by the fact that when he is on the floor with Govan the opponents put so much more concentration of trying to neutralize Govan on the boards. That allows Derrickson to more easily swoop in from the weakside to snare rebounds.
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Post by MCIGuy on Feb 11, 2018 18:10:44 GMT -5
I asked in other thread. Who was last Hoya to get 18 rebounds in a BE game? Wash Post said Hayes had 18 against UNC Charlotte in 2015. But 18 against Seton Hall and Delgado (even though he seems to be nursing a bad knee) has to be Right up there with all time Hoya rebounds in a BE game. Mike Sweetney went for 35 points and 20 rebounds vs ND in 2002, but that went four overtimes. Merlin Wilson had 25 rebounds versus the Hall in 1974, but the post-1980 record is Dikembe Mutombo's 27 rebounds versus UConn in 1991, a game Georgetown won by 21 despite shooting just 28 percent (17-60). Defense! Somewhere in storage I must have that Mutombo-UConn game on video tape. Trying to recall a game in which the Hoyas shot so awfully but won so comfortably. By 1991 the Huskies had gotten good. 1991 also means Zo may not have yet gotten back from his injury or was only half the player he typically was.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 11, 2018 19:47:09 GMT -5
Mike Sweetney went for 35 points and 20 rebounds vs ND in 2002, but that went four overtimes. Merlin Wilson had 25 rebounds versus the Hall in 1974, but the post-1980 record is Dikembe Mutombo's 27 rebounds versus UConn in 1991, a game Georgetown won by 21 despite shooting just 28 percent (17-60). Defense! Somewhere in storage I must have that Mutombo-UConn game on video tape. Trying to recall a game in which the Hoyas shot so awfully but won so comfortably. By 1991 the Huskies had gotten good. 1991 also means Zo may not have yet gotten back from his injury or was only half the player he typically was. The 2011-2012 yearbook says Charlie Adrian holds the record, 29 v. GW in Feb 1968. My senior year. Hmm, wonder if Charlie is coming to ur 50th reunion. But Dike clearly holds the BE record.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 11, 2018 19:58:20 GMT -5
Somewhere in storage I must have that Mutombo-UConn game on video tape. Trying to recall a game in which the Hoyas shot so awfully but won so comfortably. By 1991 the Huskies had gotten good. 1991 also means Zo may not have yet gotten back from his injury or was only half the player he typically was. The 2011-2012 yearbook says Charlie Adrian holds the record, 29 v. GW in Feb 1968. My senior year. Hmm, wonder if Charlie is coming to ur 50th reunion. But Dike clearly holds the BE record. Charlie Adrian was at the game yesterday and was recognized on the Jumbotron with mention of that 29 rebound game and his career scoring average and rebounding average.
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Post by DanMcQ on Feb 11, 2018 20:08:02 GMT -5
Stick it whoever made this bogus thread! In all fairness whoever made this thread likely did not intend for it to be the go-to Derrickson thread for the season. He was probably asking what he thought was a legit question for an upcoming slate. But no one went back far enough to find the real Derrickson thread and thus this one, hovering always close, became the defacto Derrickson spot. Just merged the 3 I could find. If anyone can find another send me a PM.
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Post by blueandgray on Feb 11, 2018 21:15:01 GMT -5
Can't recall the last Hoya who has been involved in so many late game heroics during an entire season of BE conference play. He's our Mr. Clutch. Jessie Sapp
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2018 22:23:16 GMT -5
Speaking of records, is it possible that Marcus Derrickson is the Georgetown all time leader in free throw percentage? According to Basketball Reference his all time percentage is 85.2, and I cannot think of anybody who would be even close for their career.
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Post by tashoya on Feb 11, 2018 22:23:26 GMT -5
Debatable against Xavier. Marcus was huge on the boards. Govan should be the most difficult to guard. He's got a size advantage on basically everyone in the league. A large one against the Friars. If size advantage meant everything in basketball then we would be able to predict who would be the most dominant players at every level just based upon measurements. Bradley Hayes had a size advantage over nearly everyone and he never had as good a season as Govan is having. So give Govan credit for making his leap and at least acknowledge that his skill level allows him to be effective just as much as his size. Derrickson is the most naturally gifted rebounder on the team for the past few seasons but still he is helped out a lot by the fact that when he is on the floor with Govan the opponents put so much more concentration of trying to neutralize Govan on the boards. That allows Derrickson to more easily swoop in from the weakside to snare rebounds. I didn't mean to disparage Jessie so much as praise Marcus. With regard to Jessie's size advantage, I didn't mean to say that that's his only advantage. I guess I took it as a given that he's come a long way and is a skilled player. If he hadn't, as you said, his size wouldn't mean much. I intended to take issue with the fact that he doesn't seem to match up well with guys of similar size to his own due to a noticeable strength differential. Delgado with an injury to his base was still markedly stronger than Jessie and could pretty much move him around at will. At the next level, that's going to be more the norm than the exception. In the games in which that is the case now, it seems to me that Jessie isn't a plus offensive option. He seems to push to try to do more than he's yet capable of doing. In fairness, complicating that is that our guards don't seem to get him the ball in very good position if he's able to get it early in possessions.
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Post by vv83 on Feb 11, 2018 23:20:25 GMT -5
If size advantage meant everything in basketball then we would be able to predict who would be the most dominant players at every level just based upon measurements. Bradley Hayes had a size advantage over nearly everyone and he never had as good a season as Govan is having. So give Govan credit for making his leap and at least acknowledge that his skill level allows him to be effective just as much as his size. Derrickson is the most naturally gifted rebounder on the team for the past few seasons but still he is helped out a lot by the fact that when he is on the floor with Govan the opponents put so much more concentration of trying to neutralize Govan on the boards. That allows Derrickson to more easily swoop in from the weakside to snare rebounds. I didn't mean to disparage Jessie so much as praise Marcus. With regard to Jessie's size advantage, I didn't mean to say that that's his only advantage. I guess I took it as a given that he's come a long way and is a skilled player. If he hadn't, as you said, his size wouldn't mean much. I intended to take issue with the fact that he doesn't seem to match up well with guys of similar size to his own due to a noticeable strength differential. Delgado with an injury to his base was still markedly stronger than Jessie and could pretty much move him around at will. At the next level, that's going to be more the norm than the exception. In the games in which that is the case now, it seems to me that Jessie isn't a plus offensive option. He seems to push to try to do more than he's yet capable of doing. In fairness, complicating that is that our guards don't seem to get him the ball in very good position if he's able to get it early in possessions. I think that we are really best offensively when we run the offense through Marcus in the low post. he is better than Govan at negotiating double teams, and he has a much wider variety of low post moves. That little lefty hook has made him very difficult to handle down low because the defender has to play him honestly on both sides. This is especially true when, as others have pointed out, Jesse is playing against a big, strong defender. He tends to settle for contested jumpers in those situations. I have been impressed with Ewing's understanding of this. In matchups that don't favor Govan offensively, Ewing has become pretty quick to switch over to focusing on Marcus offensively. When you look at the BE +/- numbers - Derrickson is -40, Govan is -107 (thanks njhoya78!), it becomes pretty clear that Marcus is our most important player. This is not meant as a criticism of Govan, but rather a recognition of how central Derrickson is to our success. In fact, in certain matchups, I think we play significantly better when we go small with Derrickson at the 5 and Govan on the bench. Again, Ewing is recognizing this, and has gone with the small lineup in critical situations a few times recently when the matchup did not favor Govan. This is the direction basketball has headed. Look at the whole "death lineup" concept in the NBA. Our problem is that we don't have enough good shooters/drivers to take full advantage of playing small. But if we can use it strategically in specific matcups, that's a nice tool for Ewing to have at his disposal. And moving forward - it will be interesting to see if Ewing focuses on always having a couple of big men so he can keep one on the court at all times, or if he'll prefer using small lineups (with a Derrickson type shorter, more versatile player at 5) as a regular part of his game plan. LeBlanc could be interesting in this way. It does not appear that he is a developed outside shooter at this point, but he does seem like a pretty prototypical small 5 defensively , with his mobility and shot blocking ability. He'll probably be more of a P/R rim runner offensively at first, but that's fine if he is surrounded by guys who can shoot, with a few of them being able to beat their man off the bounce consistently. Lots to consider (and to be excited about) moving forward, as we see the ways in which Ewing is learning to use the roster tools at his disposal, and how he'll build the roster through recruiting.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 11, 2018 23:54:08 GMT -5
Speaking of records, is it possible that Marcus Derrickson is the Georgetown all time leader in free throw percentage? According to Basketball Reference his all time percentage is 85.2, and I cannot think of anybody who would be even close for their career. www.hoyabasketball.com/records/scoring_leaders_12.htm
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Post by tashoya on Feb 12, 2018 0:09:57 GMT -5
Speaking of records, is it possible that Marcus Derrickson is the Georgetown all time leader in free throw percentage? According to Basketball Reference his all time percentage is 85.2, and I cannot think of anybody who would be even close for their career. And his percentage has fallen of late. But, for all intents and purposes, in the modern era, yes. There are a couple of guys that have a better percentage but not guys that got to the line very often. For instance, Irvin Church. I loved Church (good dude from what I knew) but not what I'd call a shooter from anywhere.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 12, 2018 0:17:38 GMT -5
Speaking of records, is it possible that Marcus Derrickson is the Georgetown all time leader in free throw percentage? According to Basketball Reference his all time percentage is 85.2, and I cannot think of anybody who would be even close for their career. And his percentage has fallen of late. But, for all intents and purposes, in the modern era, yes. There are a couple of guys that have a better percentage but not guys that got to the line very often. For instance, Irvin Church. I loved Church (good dude from what I knew) but not what I'd call a shooter from anywhere. Chico still comes to most home games. On early 1990s Gtown teams, he was a good shooter!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 12, 2018 0:26:46 GMT -5
Speaking of records, is it possible that Marcus Derrickson is the Georgetown all time leader in free throw percentage? According to Basketball Reference his all time percentage is 85.2, and I cannot think of anybody who would be even close for their career. www.hoyabasketball.com/records/scoring_leaders_12.htmInteresting. Vee Sanford had a really small number of attempts (23), but I didn't realize his percentage was so high. Derrickson could definitely surpass Agau depending on what happens the next couple of years. Regardless, he's a great free throw shooter. I love that we have a team so proficient at the line - it's easy points and we get most of them. We are actually now up to the 6th best free throw percentage in the country (at 77.8%).
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 12, 2018 7:55:30 GMT -5
I don't have any issue with MD being considered the best on the team. But you do realize that on the road back-to-back games against Xavier and PC, the team looked best with Govan being the dominant player on the floor, right? When Govan is on he is the most difficult guy for our opponents to defend. Debatable against Xavier. Marcus was huge on the boards. Govan should be the most difficult to guard. He's got a size advantage on basically everyone in the league. A large one against the Friars. Both are great!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 12, 2018 7:56:05 GMT -5
Interesting. Vee Sanford had a really small number of attempts (23), but I didn't realize his percentage was so high. Derrickson could definitely surpass Agau depending on what happens the next couple of years. Regardless, he's a great free throw shooter. I love that we have a team so proficient at the line - it's easy points and we get most of them. We are actually now up to the 6th best free throw percentage in the country (at 77.8%). Vee should've been running the point imo.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 12, 2018 7:57:25 GMT -5
Can't recall the last Hoya who has been involved in so many late game heroics during an entire season of BE conference play. He's our Mr. Clutch. Jessie Sapp Hibbert had one lol... I was sitting next to two UConn fans as well. We were going back and forth but the Hoyas had the last say. What a game. We shook hands at the end of the game. LOL!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Feb 12, 2018 8:03:42 GMT -5
My man Rich Chvotkin lost it!!! Hahahahaha... Good decision for Sapp to attack and kick back out to Green for the dagger!!!
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