|
Post by wrestlemania on Feb 10, 2016 17:46:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure anyone really knows all the details behind the Esh saga -- it went down in a weird way, not long after President D. made a very strong "he's our guy" statement that went well beyond the standard vote of confidence/kiss of death. I think your take re: alumni discontent about the big picture is accurate, but there was also a more immediate concern that the program would continue trending towards Rutgers/DePaul irrelevance if something wasn't done quickly -- it was not a good situation. The current scenario isn't so dire. For those that weren't around here back then (and yes, this was a busy board...), Craig's contract was renewed in 2003, and given an clear vote of confidence in Feb. 2004. Then, his quote before the Virginia Tech game ("I ain't going anywhere. I may be here for another 30 years. And you can quote me on that...") seemed a snub to the DeGioia administration, and the wheels began to turn. Alumni and/or student grumbling wasn't the factor. Craig Esherick always had a healthy dose of hubris, but he was a loyal alumnus and someone that wanted to do right for the school--even his most ardent critics generally would concur with this. But I think this contributes to the bitterness that is still out there. He's likely not stepped foot on the campus in 12 years, and is a consistent no-show at every basketball alumni event and reunion since. Plenty of long time coaches get fired, but unless there's an NCAA sanction or criminal offense in tow, most get some sort of assistant athletic director post or generic fundraising job as a polite way to pay out the contract. Instead, the fourth longest-tenured coach in GU athletic history parted ways with a two paragraph news release. DFW -- thanks. Just to put a ribbon on the Esh thing, I do remember his public remarks being pretty pointed after he was canned. He and Riley attended Pops' induction into the college hoops HOF, but I've never seen him at a game or other Hoya event (to be fair, not many coaches in his situation would have done otherwise). Jack was fond of Esh, so I'm surprised that he would have been offended to the point of not giving Craig at least a warning after his statement to the press. I tend to think there was a Pops factor -- he had hinted on his radio show that he wasn't thrilled with Craig's PR skills, and was probably getting an earful from players who were leaving or threatening to do so (Bowman).
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,358
|
Post by prhoya on Feb 10, 2016 18:08:53 GMT -5
For those that weren't around here back then (and yes, this was a busy board...), Craig's contract was renewed in 2003, and given an clear vote of confidence in Feb. 2004. Then, his quote before the Virginia Tech game ("I ain't going anywhere. I may be here for another 30 years. And you can quote me on that...") seemed a snub to the DeGioia administration, and the wheels began to turn. Alumni and/or student grumbling wasn't the factor. Alumni and/or student grumbling wasn't The factor; it was one of the key factors, added to others like his poor record hidden among cupcakes, players grumbling, his poor PR skills, his whining, etc... Yes, he served the university, but he was paid handsomely for it whether he was qualified or not. I'll give him props for having to handle everything Pops all those years.
|
|
joey0403p
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,586
|
Post by joey0403p on Feb 10, 2016 18:58:39 GMT -5
Anyone recall back then if there was talk about coach Reilly? I always thought once eshrick went south, what if Reilly had been picked to succeed jr instead of esh? I always thought those two were jr s left and right hand. Just curious because I think Reilly left after not getting the chance spot. But I was fairly young so don't know the details. IIRC, Mike Reilly stayed as an assistant to Esherick and left when Esh was terminated. (As an aside, when I had vigorous discussions with those who believed that JTJr. was a racist, I'd point to Esh and say that when JTJr. retired, he could anointed Reilly to be the HC, not Esh). My bad. I thought Reilly left. Still always wondered if Reilly would have been the better hc.
|
|
SSHoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
"Forget it Jake, it's Chinatown."
Posts: 18,384
|
Post by SSHoya on Feb 10, 2016 20:36:57 GMT -5
IIRC, Mike Reilly stayed as an assistant to Esherick and left when Esh was terminated. (As an aside, when I had vigorous discussions with those who believed that JTJr. was a racist, I'd point to Esh and say that when JTJr. retired, he could anointed Reilly to be the HC, not Esh). My bad. I thought Reilly left. Still always wondered if Reilly would have been the better hc. Riley is now the head coach at UDC.
|
|
eagle54
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,471
|
Post by eagle54 on Feb 10, 2016 22:39:42 GMT -5
Time to replace JT3. There is no excuse for not beating SJU by at least 40 points, nor is there an excuse for not shooting 60% from the floor rather than a measly 52%. It's obvious JT3 does not develop the shooting proficiency of his players. And the less said about only having three players get over 20 points last night the better. It's obvious the JT3 offensive system needs to be replaced. Also, why can't JT3 be as calm and collected as Chris Mullin? We got ourselves a big loser. It would be funny if I wasn't agreeing with your sarcasm.
|
|
AltoSaxa
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,125
|
Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 15, 2016 9:13:04 GMT -5
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Feb 15, 2016 9:46:55 GMT -5
I recently proposed this question in this space: If John Thompson III had a different last name, would he still be the Georgetown coach? The reaction was split, but there is a segment of the Hoyas fan base that feels change is needed. Georgetown (14-12, 7-6) hasn’t reached the Sweet 16 since 2007, despite recruiting extremely well the last several years.The sentiment in the excerpt above has been debated not only on this board, but this is at least the 2nd time this season in the news media that I have seen that sentiment raised.
|
|
joey0403p
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,586
|
Post by joey0403p on Feb 15, 2016 9:52:35 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if anyone in the fan base said that nothing needed to change and things were hunky dory.
People disagree with what that change is from tweaking here and there to firing everyone and starting fresh. But saying a change is needed isn't debatable.
I was extremely disappointed in the provi game. We spotted them 20plus before we started to play. I don't care about excuses. Yes Hayes was out. Yes we've been without two other guys all year. Sure, maybe the game plan was perfect and the kids just didn't execute. Maybe he tried and they still looked asleep.
But they are just excuses. All excuses. The coach must be accountable. Must.
|
|
AltoSaxa
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,125
|
Post by AltoSaxa on Feb 15, 2016 9:58:19 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if anyone in the fan base said that nothing needed to change and things were hunky dory. People disagree with what that change is from tweaking here and there to firing everyone and starting fresh. But saying a change is needed isn't debatable. I was extremely disappointed in the provi game. We spotted them 20plus before we started to play. I don't care about excuses. Yes Hayes was out. Yes we've been without two other guys all year. Sure, maybe the game plan was perfect and the kids just didn't execute. Maybe he tried and they still looked asleep. But they are just excuses. All excuses. The coach must be accountable. Must. In context, I believe the change he is referring to is a change in HC.
|
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Feb 15, 2016 11:42:45 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if anyone in the fan base said that nothing needed to change and things were hunky dory. People disagree with what that change is from tweaking here and there to firing everyone and starting fresh. But saying a change is needed isn't debatable. I was extremely disappointed in the provi game. We spotted them 20plus before we started to play. I don't care about excuses. Yes Hayes was out. Yes we've been without two other guys all year. Sure, maybe the game plan was perfect and the kids just didn't execute. Maybe he tried and they still looked asleep. But they are just excuses. All excuses. The coach must be accountable. Must. What do you think are the actions that must be taken so that JT3 is "accountable"? Should Lee Reed meet with him, explain the issues with JT3's performance and then work with him on an action plan to improve next year? Or should JT3 be fired? Something in between? "Accountable" could mean almost anything, so when you say "the coach must be accountable" what do you mean?
|
|
joey0403p
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,586
|
Post by joey0403p on Feb 15, 2016 13:16:58 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if anyone in the fan base said that nothing needed to change and things were hunky dory. People disagree with what that change is from tweaking here and there to firing everyone and starting fresh. But saying a change is needed isn't debatable. I was extremely disappointed in the provi game. We spotted them 20plus before we started to play. I don't care about excuses. Yes Hayes was out. Yes we've been without two other guys all year. Sure, maybe the game plan was perfect and the kids just didn't execute. Maybe he tried and they still looked asleep. But they are just excuses. All excuses. The coach must be accountable. Must. What do you think are the actions that must be taken so that JT3 is "accountable"? Should Lee Reed meet with him, explain the issues with JT3's performance and then work with him on an action plan to improve next year? Or should JT3 be fired? Something in between? "Accountable" could mean almost anything, so when you say "the coach must be accountable" what do you mean? Fair question. I was probably deliberately being vague. I guess what I mean is - we have some maybe a lot of posters saying jt should be fired. And some perhaps a lot of people saying it's never going to happen because of his last name. none of us are "inside" to know if that statement is true about him not being on the jt seat. What I am saying is 2 fold 1 - we the fans need to hold jt accountable. No more "well the guys didn't execute" or "that player never developed like he was supposed too" or "if only we hadn't run up against that team". Jt has used up all his excuses. In my mind when the team fails - it's in him. The rest of us no matter how ardent a jt supporter you are or have been. You gotta come around to this thinking. 2 - the ad and admin (assume it's both) should have sit down and tell jt basically the same thing. I.e. Tell him this is not acceptable. The team must preform better or his salary and or job is at risk. And it's not just about this year. We haven't been to 16 since 2007. That isn't acceptable. I am a fan of jt. I'm just tired of the same excuses. The same losses. I think the team and university is better off with him than without. But he has to change. We need to change our offense so we take advantage of the foul rules We need to change our defense so we aren't always in a disadvantage of the foul rules. I don't care what we call the offense. I don't get as upset as some with our center initiating the offense at the top of the key . But we never get fouled, so the other team is rarely in foul trouble. And we rarely shoot more fts than the other team. Fix that.
|
|
|
Post by hoyafan2014 on Feb 15, 2016 14:15:58 GMT -5
What is the definition of "recruiting extremely well"? JTIII hasn't had a McDonald's All-American since Greg Monroe, and you can't blame him for that. From reading this message board, my understanding is that to call the training facilities at Georgetown poor, is a generous compliment. When Nerlens Noel was choosing between Kentucky and Georgetown, do you think that he felt that he would have easier academics at Kentucky? If you think that you are going to be one and done or two and done, do you care about the prestige of a degree from Georgetown? No on-campus arena....women....-there are other factors too that hurt Georgetown. From a recruiting standpoint, I think that Georgetown is probably going to be behind the 8-ball going against the majority of public universities. With that said, I like the recruits that JTIII has brought in. There are times that I read this message board and feel that some of the posters are stuck in the 80's. Back then, the momentum came into Georgetown's favor, and I don't think that JTjr worked or had to work as hard in recruiting as JTIII has. Now, we have new training facilities getting built. Hopefully, this helps in recruiting. What do people expect from our program? In 2013, when Whittington was suspended, Otto Porter amazingly led Georgetown to 14 wins in their final 16 Big East Games. Do you people actually pay attention? Do you realize how little depth and how little the margin for error for that team was? This could have been the most over achieving team in Georgetown history. Instead, you say, well, we lost to Florida Gulf Coast in the first round of the tournament, so the season is a failure and we should fire JTIII. When your All-American Otto Porter has an off game and shoots 5 for 17, on a team with not much depth and no front court, what do you people expect? That same year, with all of his All-Americans, Calipari and Kentucky were playing the NIT. Even with Nerlens Noel injured, they still had more All-Americans. I wonder if the Kentucky fans were saying if he should be fired then (or now with how this season has gone for them). Lets say that JTIII retires after this year. Do you visualize Georgetown as a University that will pay the big bucks to get a big time coach? Imagine if JTIII retired and Georgetown hired Calipari to be the coach. I would venture to bet that some of the posters that talk about their disdain for the Kentucky program or question the ethics behind Calipari would forget about all of that for the idea of having the great satan as our head coach. I guess that it comes down to expectations. I am an obsessed Hoya fan, like the rest of you. I think that there is incredible parity in college basketball these days. Smith-Rivera makes one stupid behind the back pass against Radford that leads to a turnover basket, the momentum changes and Radford eventually wins. One off game by your star, or a really hot game by an opposing player, and you could lose to almost anyone these days. Copeland has not been as consistent as we have needed him to be this year. Peak's foul trouble has not helped either. Should we be expecting perfect execution from out team with no mistakes or bad games? Should our opponents just lay down because we are supposed to win every game? To me, the talent on this team has shown potential, but they are having problems putting it all together. If Copeland is having an off night and if Peak on the bench with foul trouble, then Smith-Rivera better be scoring 25 to 30 points for Georgetown to be in it. If Copeland is struggling, but your best option, what do you do as a coach? You keep you best option out there as much as you can.
I have not posted in a few years, so I though that I would give my two cents. That Providence 1st half was horrible. The 2nd half was fantastic, expect for the final score. Time is running out for this season. The talent is there. I hope that they can get it together. If Georgetown had 5 McDonald's All Americans on this team, then I might agree with the negative posters a little bit more. Until then, I am hoping that JTIII can figure out the winning formula for this team.
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2016 14:17:38 GMT -5
I'd be surprised if anyone in the fan base said that nothing needed to change and things were hunky dory. People disagree with what that change is from tweaking here and there to firing everyone and starting fresh. But saying a change is needed isn't debatable. I was extremely disappointed in the provi game. We spotted them 20plus before we started to play. I don't care about excuses. Yes Hayes was out. Yes we've been without two other guys all year. Sure, maybe the game plan was perfect and the kids just didn't execute. Maybe he tried and they still looked asleep. But they are just excuses. All excuses. The coach must be accountable. Must. I am part of the fan base, and while I do not feel that things are "hunky dory" at the moment, I oppose making a change and believe that would be very counterproductive.
|
|
|
Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 15, 2016 14:23:18 GMT -5
What is the definition of "recruiting extremely well"? JTIII hasn't had a McDonald's All-American since Greg Monroe, and you can't blame him for that. From reading this message board, my understanding is that to call the training facilities at Georgetown poor, is a generous compliment. When Nerlens Noel was choosing between Kentucky and Georgetown, do you think that he felt that he would have easier academics at Kentucky? If you think that you are going to be one and done or two and done, do you care about the prestige of a degree from Georgetown? No on-campus arena....women....-there are other factors too that hurt Georgetown. From a recruiting standpoint, I think that Georgetown is probably going to be behind the 8-ball going against the majority of public universities. With that said, I like the recruits that JTIII has brought in. There are times that I read this message board and feel that some of the posters are stuck in the 80's. Back then, the momentum came into Georgetown's favor, and I don't think that JTjr worked or had to work as hard in recruiting as JTIII has. Now, we have new training facilities getting built. Hopefully, this helps in recruiting. What do people expect from our program? In 2013, when Whittington was suspended, Otto Porter amazingly led Georgetown to 14 wins in their final 16 Big East Games. Do you people actually pay attention? Do you realize how little depth and how little the margin for error for that team was? This could have been the most over achieving team in Georgetown history. Instead, you say, well, we lost to Florida Gulf Coast in the first round of the tournament, so the season is a failure and we should fire JTIII. When your All-American Otto Porter has an off game and shoots 5 for 17, on a team with not much depth and no front court, what do you people expect? That same year, with all of his All-Americans, Calipari and Kentucky were playing the NIT. Even with Nerlens Noel injured, they still had more All-Americans. I wonder if the Kentucky fans were saying if he should be fired then (or now with how this season has gone for them). Lets say that JTIII retires after this year. Do you visualize Georgetown as a University that will pay the big bucks to get a big time coach? Imagine if JTIII retired and Georgetown hired Calipari to be the coach. I would venture to bet that some of the posters that talk about their disdain for the Kentucky program or question the ethics behind Calipari would forget about all of that for the idea of having the great satan as our head coach. I guess that it comes down to expectations. I am an obsessed Hoya fan, like the rest of you. I think that there is incredible parity in college basketball these days. Smith-Rivera makes one stupid behind the back pass against Radford that leads to a turnover basket, the momentum changes and Radford eventually wins. One off game by your star, or a really hot game by an opposing player, and you could lose to almost anyone these days. Copeland has not been as consistent as we have needed him to be this year. Peak's foul trouble has not helped either. Should we be expecting perfect execution from out team with no mistakes or bad games? Should our opponents just lay down because we are supposed to win every game? To me, the talent on this team has shown potential, but they are having problems putting it all together. If Copeland is having an off night and if Peak on the bench with foul trouble, then Smith-Rivera better be scoring 25 to 30 points for Georgetown to be in it. If Copeland is struggling, but your best option, what do you do as a coach? You keep you best option out there as much as you can. I have not posted in a few years, so I though that I would give my two cents. That Providence 1st half was horrible. The 2nd half was fantastic, expect for the final score. Time is running out for this season. The talent is there. I hope that they can get it together. If Georgetown had 5 McDonald's All Americans on this team, then I might agree with the negative posters a little bit more. Until then, I am hoping that JTIII can figure out the winning formula for this team. Excellent post.
|
|
|
Post by trillesthoya on Feb 15, 2016 14:52:56 GMT -5
Curious, do people feel that our supposed depth this year was more of a curse than a blessing?
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,596
|
Post by DanMcQ on Feb 15, 2016 15:09:02 GMT -5
Curious, do people feel that our supposed depth this year was more of a curse than a blessing? The actual curse may be the relative youth (both in terms of class and court time) of the depth, not the depth itself.
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Feb 15, 2016 16:04:46 GMT -5
Curious, do people feel that our supposed depth this year was more of a curse than a blessing? The actual curse may be the relative youth (both in terms of class and court time) of the depth, not the depth itself. I was actually thinking about this earlier. While you make a good point dan, with a smaller rotation throughout the year, you would have the same 8 guys practicing with eachother at all times; 4-6 different lineups. When you go as deep as we are this year, you need to get everyone run practicing the offense. There are less guys whose job it is to scout the other team and mimic them in practice. You get less cohesion between the players in the top lineup because they've had less time together (because you need to get time with Kaleb/Trey in there). EDIT: (Forgot to directly answer Dan's question) Additionally with a tighter lineup throughout the year, the young guys get a ton of PT (ingame and practice) which helps counteract their youth. Personally, I think the depth has had its negatives but you can't deny the positives either. There have been a few games where we seem like the fresher team down the stretch. We were able to absorb 3 losses to our front-court. If we could get some consistency throughout the depth it would have been deadly, unfortunately it's been more guys off then on in many games this year. Also, I think our current "lack" of depth is overstated. We're at 8 scholarship guys plus a walkon that is ready for minutes due to foul-trouble. In fact, it will force us to play smaller more often (Kaleb/LJ at the 3) which is more beneficial in the current CBB environment; as well as arguably better fitting with the traditional Princeton system (not what we run) then using a low post big.
|
|
joey0403p
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,586
|
Post by joey0403p on Feb 15, 2016 16:07:14 GMT -5
Curious, do people feel that our supposed depth this year was more of a curse than a blessing? The actual curse may be the relative youth (both in terms of class and court time) of the depth, not the depth itself. The youth question is a reasonable debate. Personally I tend towards it's February now, at some point the youth thing goes out the window doesn't it? But think it's a perfectly reasonable thing to debate. Honestly, every team has weaknesses. Youth, or only one star player, or depth generally, height , athleticism , injury, foul shooting etc etc etc. it's just unfortunate that we seem to get bitten by some or multiple every year.
|
|
EtomicB
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 14,961
|
Post by EtomicB on Feb 15, 2016 16:29:40 GMT -5
What is the definition of "recruiting extremely well"? JTIII hasn't had a McDonald's All-American since Greg Monroe, and you can't blame him for that. From reading this message board, my understanding is that to call the training facilities at Georgetown poor, is a generous compliment. When Nerlens Noel was choosing between Kentucky and Georgetown, do you think that he felt that he would have easier academics at Kentucky? If you think that you are going to be one and done or two and done, do you care about the prestige of a degree from Georgetown? No on-campus arena....women....-there are other factors too that hurt Georgetown. From a recruiting standpoint, I think that Georgetown is probably going to be behind the 8-ball going against the majority of public universities. With that said, I like the recruits that JTIII has brought in. There are times that I read this message board and feel that some of the posters are stuck in the 80's. Back then, the momentum came into Georgetown's favor, and I don't think that JTjr worked or had to work as hard in recruiting as JTIII has. Now, we have new training facilities getting built. Hopefully, this helps in recruiting. What do people expect from our program? In 2013, when Whittington was suspended, Otto Porter amazingly led Georgetown to 14 wins in their final 16 Big East Games. Do you people actually pay attention? Do you realize how little depth and how little the margin for error for that team was? This could have been the most over achieving team in Georgetown history. Instead, you say, well, we lost to Florida Gulf Coast in the first round of the tournament, so the season is a failure and we should fire JTIII. When your All-American Otto Porter has an off game and shoots 5 for 17, on a team with not much depth and no front court, what do you people expect? That same year, with all of his All-Americans, Calipari and Kentucky were playing the NIT. Even with Nerlens Noel injured, they still had more All-Americans. I wonder if the Kentucky fans were saying if he should be fired then (or now with how this season has gone for them). Lets say that JTIII retires after this year. Do you visualize Georgetown as a University that will pay the big bucks to get a big time coach? Imagine if JTIII retired and Georgetown hired Calipari to be the coach. I would venture to bet that some of the posters that talk about their disdain for the Kentucky program or question the ethics behind Calipari would forget about all of that for the idea of having the great satan as our head coach. I guess that it comes down to expectations. I am an obsessed Hoya fan, like the rest of you. I think that there is incredible parity in college basketball these days. Smith-Rivera makes one stupid behind the back pass against Radford that leads to a turnover basket, the momentum changes and Radford eventually wins. One off game by your star, or a really hot game by an opposing player, and you could lose to almost anyone these days. Copeland has not been as consistent as we have needed him to be this year. Peak's foul trouble has not helped either. Should we be expecting perfect execution from out team with no mistakes or bad games? Should our opponents just lay down because we are supposed to win every game? To me, the talent on this team has shown potential, but they are having problems putting it all together. If Copeland is having an off night and if Peak on the bench with foul trouble, then Smith-Rivera better be scoring 25 to 30 points for Georgetown to be in it. If Copeland is struggling, but your best option, what do you do as a coach? You keep you best option out there as much as you can. I have not posted in a few years, so I though that I would give my two cents. That Providence 1st half was horrible. The 2nd half was fantastic, expect for the final score. Time is running out for this season. The talent is there. I hope that they can get it together. If Georgetown had 5 McDonald's All Americans on this team, then I might agree with the negative posters a little bit more. Until then, I am hoping that JTIII can figure out the winning formula for this team. Recruiting is very much a relative thing, does G'town recruit "extremely well" compared to UK or KU? The answer is definitely no.. Does G'town recruit "extremely well" compared to GW? That answer is definitely Yes.. The big question is how does G'town stack up recruiting wise compared to the other teams in the BE conference? The answer is they do very well in that category despite all the obstacles you posted about above.. The Verbal Commits page below shows the avg stars per recruit for each team in the BE(it avg's the ratings given from ESPN, Rivals & Scout).. You can look up any school in the country.. It says G'town is #1 in the BE but it's really Villanova if you take away the 2 walk ons that are on scholarship for them this season.. verbalcommits.com/conferences/big-eastG'town has a higher star rating per recruit than Xavier, Prov, Butler, UVA, Pitt, Gonzaga, Uconn, Mich. St., Michigan, Wisconsin & many others.. To be fair so does Marquette so maybe "youth" is a fair reason for why this season hasn't gone as expected.. Either way I don't think recruiting is an issue for G'town..
|
|
TBird41
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
"Roy! I Love All 7'2" of you Roy!"
Posts: 8,740
|
Post by TBird41 on Feb 15, 2016 16:52:19 GMT -5
What is the definition of "recruiting extremely well"? JTIII hasn't had a McDonald's All-American since Greg Monroe, and you can't blame him for that. From reading this message board, my understanding is that to call the training facilities at Georgetown poor, is a generous compliment. When Nerlens Noel was choosing between Kentucky and Georgetown, do you think that he felt that he would have easier academics at Kentucky? If you think that you are going to be one and done or two and done, do you care about the prestige of a degree from Georgetown? No on-campus arena....women....-there are other factors too that hurt Georgetown. From a recruiting standpoint, I think that Georgetown is probably going to be behind the 8-ball going against the majority of public universities. With that said, I like the recruits that JTIII has brought in. There are times that I read this message board and feel that some of the posters are stuck in the 80's. Back then, the momentum came into Georgetown's favor, and I don't think that JTjr worked or had to work as hard in recruiting as JTIII has. Now, we have new training facilities getting built. Hopefully, this helps in recruiting. What do people expect from our program? In 2013, when Whittington was suspended, Otto Porter amazingly led Georgetown to 14 wins in their final 16 Big East Games. Do you people actually pay attention? Do you realize how little depth and how little the margin for error for that team was? This could have been the most over achieving team in Georgetown history. Instead, you say, well, we lost to Florida Gulf Coast in the first round of the tournament, so the season is a failure and we should fire JTIII. When your All-American Otto Porter has an off game and shoots 5 for 17, on a team with not much depth and no front court, what do you people expect? That same year, with all of his All-Americans, Calipari and Kentucky were playing the NIT. Even with Nerlens Noel injured, they still had more All-Americans. I wonder if the Kentucky fans were saying if he should be fired then (or now with how this season has gone for them). Lets say that JTIII retires after this year. Do you visualize Georgetown as a University that will pay the big bucks to get a big time coach? Imagine if JTIII retired and Georgetown hired Calipari to be the coach. I would venture to bet that some of the posters that talk about their disdain for the Kentucky program or question the ethics behind Calipari would forget about all of that for the idea of having the great satan as our head coach. I guess that it comes down to expectations. I am an obsessed Hoya fan, like the rest of you. I think that there is incredible parity in college basketball these days. Smith-Rivera makes one stupid behind the back pass against Radford that leads to a turnover basket, the momentum changes and Radford eventually wins. One off game by your star, or a really hot game by an opposing player, and you could lose to almost anyone these days. Copeland has not been as consistent as we have needed him to be this year. Peak's foul trouble has not helped either. Should we be expecting perfect execution from out team with no mistakes or bad games? Should our opponents just lay down because we are supposed to win every game? To me, the talent on this team has shown potential, but they are having problems putting it all together. If Copeland is having an off night and if Peak on the bench with foul trouble, then Smith-Rivera better be scoring 25 to 30 points for Georgetown to be in it. If Copeland is struggling, but your best option, what do you do as a coach? You keep you best option out there as much as you can. I have not posted in a few years, so I though that I would give my two cents. That Providence 1st half was horrible. The 2nd half was fantastic, expect for the final score. Time is running out for this season. The talent is there. I hope that they can get it together. If Georgetown had 5 McDonald's All Americans on this team, then I might agree with the negative posters a little bit more. Until then, I am hoping that JTIII can figure out the winning formula for this team. Recruiting is very much a relative thing, does G'town recruit "extremely well" compared to UK or KU? The answer is definitely no.. Does G'town recruit "extremely well" compared to GW? That answer is definitely Yes.. The big question is how does G'town stack up recruiting wise compared to the other teams in the BE conference? The answer is they do very well in that category despite all the obstacles you posted about above.. The Verbal Commits page below shows the avg stars per recruit for each team in the BE(it avg's the ratings given from ESPN, Rivals & Scout).. You can look up any school in the country.. It says G'town is #1 in the BE but it's really Villanova if you take away the 2 walk ons that are on scholarship for them this season.. verbalcommits.com/conferences/big-eastG'town has a higher star rating per recruit than Xavier, Prov, Butler, UVA, Pitt, Gonzaga, Uconn, Mich. St., Michigan, Wisconsin & many others.. To be fair so does Marquette so maybe "youth" is a fair reason for why this season hasn't gone as expected.. Either way I don't think recruiting is an issue for G'town.. Recruiting was an issue for a while (other than the freshmen, sophomores and the class that just graduated, you had to go back to the Monroe/Clark/Sims class to find a recruiting class with any depth), but I think that while it could be better (we've missed on quite a few guards where we didn't close despite making the final 3/5 schools), it's obviously improved with the past two classes.
|
|