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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 2:48:18 GMT -5
3's teams always start slow so maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Is that true (back by numbers)? I don't want to do the research, but it seems to me we have been pretty good in the OOCs under JT3. I'm speaking in terms of execution not W/L but tbh Italy trip should have helped in that area...
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Post by drquigley on Nov 16, 2015 9:59:17 GMT -5
I think its time for geezers like Lichoya and me to weigh in on this discussion. Georgetown is a small private school with an outstanding academic reputation. We have limited basketball related athletic facilities and a small but enthusiastic alumni base. We are competing against schools who will do anything to win and who share none of our values or standards. The fact that our basketball program has done as well as it has over the last 10 years is a testament to JTIII and his staff. We have to understand that considering who we are competing against we have very little margin for error. Austin develops diabetes, Wright breaks his wrist, Otto leaves after 2 years, Whit gets tossed. Guys like Hopkins and Lubick never live up to their high school hype. I saw during the Esh era (and the pre-JT2 and 3) what this bball program would look like with a mediocre coach. Do I wish we did better in the NCAA tourney? Sure. But the fact that we can compete against and beat much bigger schools and deeper programs and regularly compete for our league championship - and actually be top seeded in the NCAA tourney while never sinking to the UNC, Louisville, Syracuse level of corruption is more than enough for me. Hell I was Editeded after the loss to Redford and will be mad if this team doesn't perform better but losing JT3 will not suddenly turn us into a basketball powerhouse. So let's just lighten up on JT3 and enjoy what will probably be a rocky but I'm guessing an enjoyable year.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 16, 2015 10:25:49 GMT -5
Can a coach call a TO from the bench? Our players lack of awareness when Copeland got a five second call (and that was more like 7 in my book) seemed to lack player awareness. The rebounds is inexcusable but I think we are dealing with young guys having to realize they need to bring it every night. DSR was out of it and his turnovers were horrible. I hope for better tomorrow night and to the thread's title, JTIII is fine.
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Post by gamp on Nov 16, 2015 10:53:27 GMT -5
No, a coach can no longer call a timeout when the ball is live.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 16, 2015 10:58:44 GMT -5
Can a coach call a TO from the bench? Our players lack of awareness when Copeland got a five second call (and that was more like 7 in my book) seemed to lack player awareness. The rebounds is inexcusable but I think we are dealing with young guys having to realize they need to bring it every night. DSR was out of it and his turnovers were horrible. I hope for better tomorrow night and to the thread's title, JTIII is fine. I did not understand the 5 second call. I thought that rule had been eliminated. I could have sworn it was removed because it was no longer needed due to the 30 second clock.
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Post by TC on Nov 16, 2015 11:08:05 GMT -5
I think its time for geezers like Lichoya and me to weigh in on this discussion. Georgetown is a small private school with an outstanding academic reputation. We have limited basketball related athletic facilities and a small but enthusiastic alumni base. We are competing against schools who will do anything to win and who share none of our values or standards. The fact that our basketball program has done as well as it has over the last 10 years is a testament to JTIII and his staff. We have to understand that considering who we are competing against we have very little margin for error. Austin develops diabetes, Wright breaks his wrist, Otto leaves after 2 years, Whit gets tossed. Guys like Hopkins and Lubick never live up to their high school hype. I saw during the Esh era (and the pre-JT2 and 3) what this bball program would look like with a mediocre coach. Do I wish we did better in the NCAA tourney? Sure. But the fact that we can compete against and beat much bigger schools and deeper programs and regularly compete for our league championship - and actually be top seeded in the NCAA tourney while never sinking to the UNC, Louisville, Syracuse level of corruption is more than enough for me. Hell I was Editeded after the loss to Redford and will be mad if this team doesn't perform better but losing JT3 will not suddenly turn us into a basketball powerhouse. So let's just lighten up on JT3 and enjoy what will probably be a rocky but I'm guessing an enjoyable year. I can't +1 this enough. Every time I read something like this : georgetownvoice.com/2015/11/06/all-bark-no-bite-can-georgetown-rebuild-its-damaged-reputation/where the author compares us to Kentucky, UNC, and Duke and makes the argument that head coaching is really the thing that is holding us back from being one of the top tier in college basketball, I immediately tune out because that person has no clue. Georgetown is not a power-5 conference member, we aren't televised on ESPN, we have no on-campus facilities comparable to those other schools. It's ludicrous to compare ourselves to Kentucky, UNC, and Duke. JT3 is a very, very successful coach given what Georgetown is. People who want to move on from this level of success have completely forgotten where the program could be - we could endlessly shuffle head coaches and repeat 2002-2004 levels. Their hyperbole about the state of this program would actually make sense then.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2015 11:11:30 GMT -5
Can a coach call a TO from the bench? Our players lack of awareness when Copeland got a five second call (and that was more like 7 in my book) seemed to lack player awareness. The rebounds is inexcusable but I think we are dealing with young guys having to realize they need to bring it every night. DSR was out of it and his turnovers were horrible. I hope for better tomorrow night and to the thread's title, JTIII is fine. I did not understand the 5 second call. I thought that rule had been eliminated. I could have sworn it was removed because it was no longer needed due to the 30 second clock. Pretty sure it no longer applies to a live dribble but just holding the ball they'll still call it
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 16, 2015 11:11:51 GMT -5
Can a coach call a TO from the bench? Our players lack of awareness when Copeland got a five second call (and that was more like 7 in my book) seemed to lack player awareness. The rebounds is inexcusable but I think we are dealing with young guys having to realize they need to bring it every night. DSR was out of it and his turnovers were horrible. I hope for better tomorrow night and to the thread's title, JTIII is fine. I did not understand the 5 second call. I thought that rule had been eliminated. I could have sworn it was removed because it was no longer needed due to the 30 second clock. How it was explained to me at the game was that the dribbling 5 second call has been eliminated. Copeland had picked up his dribble and that situation is still subject to 5 second calls.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 16, 2015 11:39:58 GMT -5
Answer to thread title is, "No. Not at all."
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Post by BubbleVisionBiff on Nov 16, 2015 11:46:28 GMT -5
Did he lose to LeMoyne or St. Thomas Aquinas?
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2015 11:46:36 GMT -5
I did not understand the 5 second call. I thought that rule had been eliminated. I could have sworn it was removed because it was no longer needed due to the 30 second clock. How it was explained to me at the game was that the dribbling 5 second call has been eliminated. Copeland had picked up his dribble and that situation is still subject to 5 second calls. Stupid rule - either have it or don't. Don't eliminate part of the rule but not the other - that just makes it too confusing.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 16, 2015 12:08:49 GMT -5
I think its time for geezers like Lichoya and me to weigh in on this discussion. Georgetown is a small private school with an outstanding academic reputation. We have limited basketball related athletic facilities and a small but enthusiastic alumni base. We are competing against schools who will do anything to win and who share none of our values or standards. The fact that our basketball program has done as well as it has over the last 10 years is a testament to JTIII and his staff. We have to understand that considering who we are competing against we have very little margin for error. Austin develops diabetes, Wright breaks his wrist, Otto leaves after 2 years, Whit gets tossed. Guys like Hopkins and Lubick never live up to their high school hype. I saw during the Esh era (and the pre-JT2 and 3) what this bball program would look like with a mediocre coach. Do I wish we did better in the NCAA tourney? Sure. But the fact that we can compete against and beat much bigger schools and deeper programs and regularly compete for our league championship - and actually be top seeded in the NCAA tourney while never sinking to the UNC, Louisville, Syracuse level of corruption is more than enough for me. Hell I was Editeded after the loss to Redford and will be mad if this team doesn't perform better but losing JT3 will not suddenly turn us into a basketball powerhouse. So let's just lighten up on JT3 and enjoy what will probably be a rocky but I'm guessing an enjoyable year. Good points Dr. Q. I don't think any of us would deny that AT TIMES the team (and the staff) have underperformed, particularly the NCAA's and messes like Saturday. But let's be clear about something. Whether fair or not, whether right or wrong - if JTIII were to leave tonight, Georgetown basketball would be SIGNIFICANTLY less relevant tomorrow morning. To the average college hoops fan, the Thompsons still ARE Georgetown basketball, and having III in charge, with the link to Pops's legacy, keeps us a national name; not Duke or Kentucky, Kansas or UNC - but still a national name. It is the name that drives the Big East, that gives the whole conference a place at the table(arguably not quite level with the Power 5 football conferences, but without question at a level clearly above the "mid-major" grouping that the naysayers want to impose). Does that mean III should be Coach-for-life? Of course not. He should be - and is - accountable for having a successful program. But let's remember that means successful as a whole, on AND off the court. As a whole, he has succeeded at that, and continues to do so. I don't need to consider the Esherick years to know that going in another direction would almost assuredly knock the program back in a number of aspects - recruiting, donations, national reputation. Could the program recover, maybe even thrive in time? Certainly. But it could take a number of years. It could diminish the reputation of the Big East. And it could be disastrous if we discover that our academics, facilities, conference, TV involvement make us less attractive to potential up-and-coming replacements than our vanity allows us to consider possible. St. John's. Depaul. Georgetown?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Nov 16, 2015 12:17:55 GMT -5
I did not understand the 5 second call. I thought that rule had been eliminated. I could have sworn it was removed because it was no longer needed due to the 30 second clock. Pretty sure it no longer applies to a live dribble but just holding the ball they'll still call it Thanks. I did not realize that distinction. Thanks to LCPolo18 as well.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2015 13:14:36 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Nov 16, 2015 13:22:46 GMT -5
Can't even read more than one or two posts in this thread. Hate to think what would be happening here if this was 1982 and the preseason number 5 Hoyas had just been beaten by the unranked Rajun Cajuns and Unranked Ohio State in Alaska.
Yet in the privacy of my home on saturday i was more than ready to send 3 packing but then ive done that a multitude of times over the last several years.
Hate to use youth as an excuse because it really doesn't exist in the game today like it use to, But the reality is you won't have a good idea of what this team is all about until sometime in January.
On a cautionary note I believe we have overestimated the teams composite and individual talent level in terms of both skill, ability, athleticism on both sides of the ball and that it may take a while for the staff which i was ready to fire on saturday to put it all together.
That said I reserve the right to come back here any time over the next few weeks to rant and rave like the rest of you, or if i make to the Garden on Friday perscription drugs may be needed.
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Post by Coast2CoastHoya on Nov 16, 2015 13:26:36 GMT -5
Answer to original question: no, and he should not be, for all the reasons previously listed.
Not a discussion that needs to happen at the start of a season regardless of how a team's first game went.
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Post by dreamhoya on Nov 16, 2015 18:04:52 GMT -5
Let me say this... GU seems to get burned by "on-fire" guards who can't be covered all the time. Quickness. Why doesn't JTIII ever recruit guys like that. When I saw what Davis was doing I was thinking to myself GU has NEVER had a guard like this during his tenure. No, I'm not saying that Radford's guard is good only that he looked nothing like anything JTIII's ever had, Sure, it's nice to have players who can play multiple positions, but what mismatches?
That being said, this team has the makings of being a really, really good one THIS YEAR. Just need to get on the same page. Let's see if Maryland's "star" players like to defend because they'll need it to win.
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Post by kchoya on Nov 16, 2015 18:19:48 GMT -5
Let me say this... GU seems to get burned by "on-fire" guards who can't be covered all the time. Quickness. Why doesn't JTIII ever recruit guys like that. When I saw what Davis was doing I was thinking to myself GU has NEVER had a guard like this during his tenure. No, I'm not saying that Radford's guard is good only that he looked nothing like anything JTIII's ever had, Sure, it's nice to have players who can play multiple positions, but what mismatches? That being said, this team has the makings of being a really, really good one THIS YEAR. Just need to get on the same page. Let's see if Maryland's "star" players like to defend because they'll need it to win. Chris Wright? Markel Starks?
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 16, 2015 21:47:28 GMT -5
No, a coach can no longer call a timeout when the ball is live. Question on this for anyone: can the players call a TO when the ball is live? or is it no TOs at all?
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 16, 2015 21:49:29 GMT -5
Did he lose to LeMoyne or St. Thomas Aquinas? Of course not, we schedule games outside of Southern Canada (although Radford is decently local).
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