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Post by thebin on Sept 1, 2016 11:27:58 GMT -5
I worry that if they approve it...its because its not much of a facility. Or that if it is a real facility....they say hell no. It's bizarre that at this 11th hour we don't know if the stadium will actually include a stadium part. Too much to hope we see some renderings and numbers tom?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 2, 2016 15:16:11 GMT -5
I worry that if they approve it...its because its not much of a facility. Or that if it is a real facility....they say hell no. It's bizarre that at this 11th hour we don't know if the stadium will actually include a stadium part. Too much to hope we see some renderings and numbers tom? You can't really see the stadium from "a public right of way," at which point OGB loses a lot of their interest. Besides, what's there now is so ugly that anything substantial is likely to be a major improvement that they will welcome. It would be nice to know what the vision is, though - given the amount of student and other stakeholder involvement in a lot of the recent campus capital projects, the MSF stands as a real study in opacity.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 4, 2016 8:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 17, 2016 13:05:04 GMT -5
Cooper Field Construction Start - March 2017 Construction Complete - March 2018 1. Concept design is now complete and Option 2 was selected for follow-on design activity. Option 2 consists of the full building footprint, with shell space reserved for football locker room & home team game day room. Scope will include 3000 new bleachers, full press box, visiting team locker room, official’s locker room, and concessions. 2. The widening of the existing field to accommodate NCAA soccer and recreational sporting activities is not in the Option 2 scope. georgetown.box.com/shared/static/70wnzxmkizugevp4kst35f2vhkblkxbl.pdf
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 17, 2016 13:44:09 GMT -5
So, no track around the perimeter?
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Sept 17, 2016 14:02:24 GMT -5
What a disaster! Building something that won't quite be a stadium and that can only accommodate football. When will Georgetown stop making bad land use decisions?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 17, 2016 14:17:52 GMT -5
Cooper Field Construction Start - March 2017 Construction Complete - March 2018 1. Concept design is now complete and Option 2 was selected for follow-on design activity. Option 2 consists of the full building footprint, with shell space reserved for football locker room & home team game day room. Scope will include 3000 new bleachers, full press box, visiting team locker room, official’s locker room, and concessions. 2. The widening of the existing field to accommodate NCAA soccer and recreational sporting activities is not in the Option 2 scope. georgetown.box.com/shared/static/70wnzxmkizugevp4kst35f2vhkblkxbl.pdfAre other people seeing only Some of the words in this post?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 18, 2016 19:19:08 GMT -5
Cooper Field Construction Start - March 2017 Construction Complete - March 2018 1. Concept design is now complete and Option 2 was selected for follow-on design activity. Option 2 consists of the full building footprint, with shell space reserved for football locker room & home team game day room. Scope will include 3000 new bleachers, full press box, visiting team locker room, official’s locker room, and concessions. 2. The widening of the existing field to accommodate NCAA soccer and recreational sporting activities is not in the Option 2 scope. georgetown.box.com/shared/static/70wnzxmkizugevp4kst35f2vhkblkxbl.pdfAre other people seeing only Some of the words in this post? I think I copied them all in there, although the copy + paste from the PDF causes some strange spacing and omitted characters, which I tried to account for. Anywho, seems like the cat is basically out of the bag at this point. Cooper Field will get some upgrades, but it will likely also be asked to do some work, as the Yates/Shaw castle maneuver takes place - assuming it does. So it makes sense to separate the two. Phase 1 entails development of the west-side Cooper Field footprint, which provides a baseline level of facilities enhancement. Phase 2 sees a wider field, stretching out over where the visitors' stands used to be, in order to accommodate the displaced denizens of Shaw (who, let's not forget, are far more nationally competitive than the gridiron gang). Phase 3 would presumably entail a permanent reconstruction of the east stands and whatever else accompanies them in terms of facilities and landscaping, once a new Shaw is cemented in the old Yates footprint. That seems to be the conjecture at this point, anyway. I'm sure we'll see lots of fluctuations in the interim. From a long-term perspective, though, it should be clear that this sizable footprint in the heart of campus will not be ignored forever. A respectable end state exists - the question is, how quickly will we arrive there, given all the other competing demands for attention and resources?
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Post by bgsmitty43 on Sept 18, 2016 19:50:35 GMT -5
Any timetable given for completion of the football field reconstruction? I thought Lee Reed said somewhere the 2018 season.
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Post by thebin on Sept 20, 2016 15:57:10 GMT -5
What exactly does bleachers mean in this context? 3000 just for home side? Is it still going to be the smallest stadium in d1? What is it now, 2200?
Disappointing. I'm not one of those unrealistic types that thinks we need or can accommodate 10-15K but for $15mm I was hoping the home side was a minimum of 4k to get us out of the medium sized high school range. I hope its at least beautiful.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 22, 2016 22:10:18 GMT -5
What exactly does bleachers mean in this context? 3000 just for home side? Is it still going to be the smallest stadium in d1? What is it now, 2200? Disappointing. I'm not one of those unrealistic types that thinks we need or can accommodate 10-15K but for $15mm I was hoping the home side was a minimum of 4k to get us out of the medium sized high school range. I hope its at least beautiful. Still plenty of details to be... unveiled. Lacking any extensive inside knowledge, here are my suppositions: 1. Phase 1 entails building a 3,000 seat set of permanent bleachers, with a press box up top and various facilities (restrooms, dressing rooms, whatever else) underneath. This is what will be done in 2018. 2. Phase 2 gets triggered when a final decision is made to build New Yates on top of the current Shaw Field blueprint. With Shaw re-purposed into a giant excavation zone, our nationally competitive soccer teams have to play somewhere. Phase 2 gives them somewhere to go by eliminating the visitors temporary bleachers and expanding the field to typical soccer size. This is explicitly *not* in the scope of what's being approved by OGB now, in order to avoid more nitpicking (which, I understand, took place at the last hearing). 3. Phase 3, to take place after New Yates and New Shaw are operational, returns visitors' side bleachers, covering back over the ground that had been used to gain extra soccer pitch yards. Presumably, these would be permanent, distinguished bleachers, with all of the excellent landscaping we've come to expect over the last decade or so. I could be totally wrong about all of this, but it's what seems to make sense at the moment. Where I don't want to hazard a guess is the feasibility or schedule for all of this.
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 22, 2016 23:33:06 GMT -5
Lee Reed continues top be cryptic and this is the Cooper's should be upset at the handling of this roll out. I'm starting to blame them for lack of progress. If you gave the money for something then make them get it done or take it back. The new study in sports doesn't move the needle for anyone, just lip service.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 23, 2016 9:01:43 GMT -5
Lee Reed continues top be cryptic and this is the Cooper's should be upset at the handling of this roll out. I'm starting to blame them for lack of progress. If you gave the money for something then make them get it done or take it back. The new study in sports doesn't move the needle for anyone, just lip service. Yeah.... so, just one more thing to keep in mind: don't assume that the Coopers' donation was all one big lump sum that can be immediately used to pay for things. Because that's not the case.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 23, 2016 15:57:03 GMT -5
Are other people seeing only Some of the words in this post? I think I copied them all in there, although the copy + paste from the PDF causes some strange spacing and omitted characters, which I tried to account for. It shows up funny on the mobile app. Back home, I now see it looks normal on my web browser.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 23, 2016 15:58:11 GMT -5
Lee Reed continues top be cryptic and this is the Cooper's should be upset at the handling of this roll out. I'm starting to blame them for lack of progress. If you gave the money for something then make them get it done or take it back. The new study in sports doesn't move the needle for anyone, just lip service. Yes, let's blame the people who pledged/donated FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to Georgetown. That really makes sense.
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Post by eagle54 on Sept 24, 2016 22:06:57 GMT -5
Lee Reed continues top be cryptic and this is the Cooper's should be upset at the handling of this roll out. I'm starting to blame them for lack of progress. If you gave the money for something then make them get it done or take it back. The new study in sports doesn't move the needle for anyone, just lip service. Yes, let's blame the people who pledged/donated FIFTY MILLION DOLLARS to Georgetown. That really makes sense. Reread it genius. It's them that should make sure they are holding the school accountable for how this is rolled out. It's their name and money. I said pull it back if it's not. If someone gives that kind of money, I think we could build a modest stadium that we are talking about even if the money doesn't all come at once from the donation. Maybe the AD is linear and can only do one thing at a time. Either way this isn't going well from the original fanfare that was rolled out.
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Post by hoyadad19 on Sept 30, 2016 14:06:11 GMT -5
Is there a drawing or sketch somewhere that will show us what the new stadium will look like?
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Post by eb59 on Nov 19, 2016 16:56:53 GMT -5
Since the season is over, doesn't seem that there is much more to focus on than the potential start of the Development of Cooper Field! That said, I'm curious if anyone has seen this article where the MSF actually was ranked #21 best place to watch a game in the FCS? ?? www.scout.com/stadium-journey/story/1681336-2015-fcs-college-football-stadium-rankings“While the Hoyas play in a stadium that is smaller than a lot of high school programs, the energy from the home team fans and the visual beauty of the surrounding campus make you soon forget you are in the smallest stadium in Division I football with a capacity of only 2,500. During the game, you will hear the chant "Hoya, Saxa" multiple times and it is normally led by the cheerleaders. Translated from Latin, it literally means "What rocks?". While there are many thoughts on how and why this originated, just know that it is the rallying cry for the university. From a visual aspect, the setting for this stadium is hard to beat. Located in the center of campus, it is surrounded by the buildings that make up Georgetown University and creates a cozy atmosphere.” Personally, I think that is insane....but I will agree that we have an awesome location in the heart of campus that is unique and if done right a small stadium in the 5k - 9k range could really be amazing. In my opinion it's going to be the architecture...if we had something like U of Albany did or EVEN BETTER - what they did at Stony Brook which gives a BiG Time Stadium feel to an actually pretty small place - we could actually go from possibly The Worst Stadium to one of the Best in the FCS even at a Sub 10k size! Man, I'd love to see the drawings of what is being imagined - anyone think that we will get something along the lines of these examples or are we just gonna get a HS stadium with a little bit more of a permanent feel than the current state with No locker rooms / bathrooms or concessions?
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Post by bean on Nov 20, 2016 13:52:43 GMT -5
Since the season is over... I'm surprised the discussion hasn't turned to bringing in a new offensive coordinator. Any other Patriot League program would be making a change. When the defense is ranked in the top 25 of FCS and the offense is ranked 2nd to last, it seems the issue is glaringly obvious. We can't expect to attract top players when we have a handful of them who are not playing because it seems current coaching staff has no idea what to do with key offensive personnel. And the "well we had some injuries" comment comes from fans who seem to be okay with a losing seasons, after losing seasons because we're building some new buildings. The issue isn't injuries or even lack of scholarships for key talent. We have talent. I've got to wonder how loud the complaints in the stands about the offensive play calling will have to be before administration does something to make a change to save the program.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Nov 20, 2016 17:49:07 GMT -5
From his time at Georgetown, I really think Sgarlata would have a hard time recognizing what a good offensive coordinator even looks like. Patenaude was the only halfway decent coach we've had at that spot in over a decade.
Also, "the administration" isn't going to do anything with regard to the coaching staff. As long as no one does anything truly awful off the field, the administration is totally fine with the status quo.
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