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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 20, 2015 18:37:42 GMT -5
Why would he invite Kate Steinle's parents to the White House?
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 18:55:18 GMT -5
He wouldn't. They don't fit the preferred victim profile for Mr.Obama and to care for them would not advance his divisive agenda.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Sept 20, 2015 19:14:26 GMT -5
He wouldn't. They don't fit the preferred victim profile for Mr.Obama and to care for them would not advance his divisive agenda. Inviting her would be more divisive than not inviting her. It would be an entirely negative message that he would be sending, focused on how one entire group of people is deserving of scorn and resentment.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 20, 2015 19:17:14 GMT -5
And through the looking glass we go. I have news for you. Recidivist criminal killers in this country illegally do deserve scorn, resentment and,deportation.
But Barry wants them here to vote Democrat.
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Post by tashoya on Sept 20, 2015 19:34:14 GMT -5
Don't people have to be citizens to vote for any candidate in a national election and don't many states disallow convicted felons from voting?
Forget Democrat/Republican. I'd love for there to be at least a couple of candidates that didn't seem to be better than 50/50 shots at being train wrecks from the get-go.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 20, 2015 20:44:00 GMT -5
Obama may have weighed in on things -- or not -- in ways that you find distasteful, but think about this: he's the FIRST President of color. This was once discussed on the McLaughlin Group, to which the Jesuit moderator declared it was Warren G. Harding. www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.htmlI thought Clinton was always telling us that he was the first?
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 20, 2015 20:46:49 GMT -5
Citing something from 2008 would make it just slightly out of date. Recent DNA testing showed otherwise: mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/19/us/politics/dna-that-confirmed-one-warren-harding-rumor-refutes-another.htmlIt turns out that he wasn’t, really. At least that is the result of new DNA testing that according to scientists showed for the first time that Harding almost certainly had no recent ancestors with African blood, despite assertions that were spread far and wide a century ago in efforts to sabotage everything from his marriage to his political career.
The bolded statement above confirms AGH's point in an earlier post. Suggesting that President Obama is somehow fanning the flames of racism and prejudice while ignoring the very real, pervasive and persistent actual racism is indeed cynical, if not far worse. Haha, SirSaxa... "somehow"... hahaha!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 20, 2015 20:59:00 GMT -5
He wouldn't. They don't fit the preferred victim profile for Mr. Obama and to care for them would not advance his divisive agenda. Unfortunately, thanks to our American penchant for murdering each other, there are far too many homicide victims and grieving parents each day - each hour, really - for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. There may be instances where singling individuals out is appropriate, such as when they were targeted as part of an attack on our body politic (terrorism) or an attack on a particular identity group, which is also an attack on our pluralistic system of democracy. The President is charged with sustaining that system of democracy and representing the body politic, so this is entirely appropriate. There is no such circumstance in Ms. Steinle's murder. Indeed, focusing presidential attention on it could even be misleading, given that immigrants are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated (that, by the way, comes from the Wall Street Journal, not exactly known for reflexive leftism). As the leader of our system of government, it is also appropriate for the President to focus his attention on failures of government. This boy's case is one such failure. Disproportionate use of force by police is another. When the government mistreats its citizens, it is uniquely injurious to our system of democracy and to the social contract, so it makes perfect sense for the President (and for activists, who are given the right to petition their government in a way that they cannot petition Cousin Cheetoh and his crew down by the liquor mart to stop troublemaking) to focus their attention and energies there. Because these failures of government are being done in their name, ostensibly with their consent. As AvantGuardHoya pointed out, the history of our government in America has also been one of singling out and discriminating against certain groups, from slavery through Jim Crow, segregation, redlining, uneven criminal sentencing, etc. So the government is by no means a tangential actor or bystander in even those situations where it is not directly involved - it is the fulcrum around which current conditions emerged, so any solutions have to be targeted at that level as well as others.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 20, 2015 21:37:02 GMT -5
He wouldn't. They don't fit the preferred victim profile for Mr. Obama and to care for them would not advance his divisive agenda. Unfortunately, thanks to our American penchant for murdering each other, there are far too many homicide victims and grieving parents each day - each hour, really - for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. There may be instances where singling individuals out is appropriate, such as when they were targeted as part of an attack on our body politic (terrorism) or an attack on a particular identity group, which is also an attack on our pluralistic system of democracy. The President is charged with sustaining that system of democracy and representing the body politic, so this is entirely appropriate. There is no such circumstance in Ms. Steinle's murder. Indeed, focusing presidential attention on it could even be misleading, given that immigrants are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes or be incarcerated (that, by the way, comes from the Wall Street Journal, not exactly known for reflexive leftism). As the leader of our system of government, it is also appropriate for the President to focus his attention on failures of government. This boy's case is one such failure. Disproportionate use of force by police is another. When the government mistreats its citizens, it is uniquely injurious to our system of democracy and to the social contract, so it makes perfect sense for the President (and for activists, who are given the right to petition their government in a way that they cannot petition Cousin Cheetoh and his crew down by the liquor mart to stop troublemaking) to focus their attention and energies there. Because these failures of government are being done in their name, ostensibly with their consent. As AvantGuardHoya pointed out, the history of our government in America has also been one of singling out and discriminating against certain groups, from slavery through Jim Crow, segregation, redlining, uneven criminal sentencing, etc. So the government is by no means a tangential actor or bystander in even those situations where it is not directly involved - it is the fulcrum around which current conditions emerged, so any solutions have to be targeted at that level as well as others. Was it a failure of the government, though? Seems more like a cross between a setup and someone taking their "if you see something, say something" training seriously.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 20, 2015 21:45:52 GMT -5
Was it a failure of the government, though? Seems more like a cross between a setup and someone taking their "if you see something, say something" training seriously. Nothing about "if you see something, say something" requires you to handcuff a kid on zero grounds and then suspend him for three days after you realized you goofed up and overreacted. It's absolutely failure of government to treat a kid this way, whether his name is Ahmed Mohamed or Manuel Mendoza or J. Wellington Puffybottom IV. While there is some not particularly surprising circumstantial evidence that suggest that in Irving, TX, the fact that it happened to someone with a Muslim-sounding name was not coincidental, that aspect of it merely magnifies and adds onto what was already a failure.
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Post by bmartin on Sept 20, 2015 22:04:00 GMT -5
The police knew it was not a bomb well before they handcuffed the kid and perp walked him in front of the whole school. It should have taken only a few minutes to know he was an innocent and naive nerd kid who was oblivious to what was going on. So yes it was paranoid government overreach. Now the kid is not so naive. He has learned that he can't trust teachers, principals, or police to treat him fairly unless the media is involved.
And why does anyone care who is invited to the White House for photo ops? It really is not important and not worth all the angst.
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Post by TC on Sept 20, 2015 22:32:54 GMT -5
First suspect can be found at 1600 Pennsylvania through January 2017... In your ridiculous worldview, is Bobby Jindal fanning the flames of racial discord too? He went further than Obama and said that no 14 year old should ever be arrested for bringing a clock to school.
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Post by SaxaCD on Sept 20, 2015 22:45:09 GMT -5
The police knew it was not a bomb well before they handcuffed the kid and perp walked him in front of the whole school. It should have taken only a few minutes to know he was an innocent and naive nerd kid who was oblivious to what was going on. So yes it was paranoid government overreach. Now the kid is not so naive. He has learned that he can't trust teachers, principals, or police to treat him fairly unless the media is involved. And why does anyone care who is invited to the White House for photo ops? It really is not important and not worth all the angst. By the way, I agree that the handcuffing thing was way over the top, although school officials were reportedly miffed that the kid wouldn't answer their questions directly. I think the teacher should be lauded, though, as long as this is being splashed all over the place. We should be separating the overreach from the good judgment made by the teacher to put lives of the kids at the school first and report something suspicious. I'd hate for this incident to make teachers and others more reticent. An invitation to both might have been the more correct message to send, but being evenhanded is not the Chicago way, and not Obama's forte. I'm not sure that the kid is only now "not so naive". I don't think he was all that naive to begin with. Just my take because the circumstances were so weird.
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Post by quickplay on Sept 20, 2015 23:09:41 GMT -5
Glad this thread has saved me a trip to free republic this week.
In response to the assertion in the original post - I don't believe that this kid's parents sent their son to school with a fake clock that really was just a disassembled radio shack clock (thereby not making it a REAL homemade clock as the liberal media has been claiming) in order to get the teachers to think it was a bomb so that the teachers would overreact and call the police, only to have them overreact too and cuff the kid, thereby creating a fast-spreading media story that ultimately gets the president a spotlight so that he can invite this grade school kid to the white house thereby fanning the flames of racial division this president so clearly needs in order to keep the cynical democratic game of making minorities unjustifiably feel aggrieved thus keeping the country divided enough for them to take votes.
which is not in any way taking out of context what the first few comments here are saying. it's absolutely ridiculous. is persecution complex a political ideology itself or just a bonus?
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Post by TC on Sept 20, 2015 23:23:26 GMT -5
If the kids' parents did plan all this (which they didn't), they are geniuses and should be given guerrilla marketing positions immediately - if intentional, this makes Don Draper look like a minor leaguer.
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2015 23:32:06 GMT -5
And the aggrieved victim division weighs in. Try as you might to avoid it, eventually you have to face the TRUTH, son. Is the TRUTH different than the truth?
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2015 23:52:40 GMT -5
He wouldn't. They don't fit the preferred victim profile for Mr. Obama and to care for them would not advance his divisive agenda. Unfortunately, thanks to our American penchant for murdering each other, there are far too many homicide victims and grieving parents each day - each hour, really - for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. Thanks to government officials' penchant for abusing their power, there are far too many victims of school officials showing no common sense -- each day really -- for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. Kendra Turner Alex Stone Josh Welch Erin Cox Kiera Wilmot Courtni Webb The list goes on and on.
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Post by strummer8526 on Sept 20, 2015 23:53:24 GMT -5
Try as you might to avoid it, eventually you have to face the TRUTH, son. Is the TRUTH different than the truth? Yes. Please review:
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Post by kchoya on Sept 20, 2015 23:54:00 GMT -5
If the kids' parents did plan all this (which they didn't), they are geniuses and should be given guerrilla marketing positions immediately - if intentional, this makes Don Draper look like a minor leaguer. Yes, parents would never do such a thing.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 21, 2015 8:03:00 GMT -5
Unfortunately, thanks to our American penchant for murdering each other, there are far too many homicide victims and grieving parents each day - each hour, really - for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. Thanks to government officials' penchant for abusing their power, there are far too many victims of school officials showing no common sense -- each day really -- for the President of the United States to personally devote time and attention to all of them. Kendra Turner Alex Stone Josh Welch Erin Cox Kiera Wilmot Courtni Webb The list goes on and on. School officials do indeed do lots of dumb stuff all the time. I would argue that what makes this case more worthy of attention - and why it became a national issue that role to the presidential and wannabe-presidential level (like the aforementioned Governor Jindal) - is the evidence that it is reflective of institutional bias on the part of the school system against a particular group. Again, there's some evidence that Irving is more than a little paranoid on the topic of Muslims. Granted, the degree to which one thinks that institutional discrimination - or discrimination against Muslims specifically - is a significant problem, or even a problem at all, does have to do with one's politics, as Dr. Carson's recent comments make clear. So in that sense, politics is certainly part of the equation. At the end of the day, though, equal treatment is still the law of the land, and it's perfectly appropriate for a President to call out instances where it appears the government is falling short of that.
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