DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 10, 2018 13:06:44 GMT -5
I think people in the blue states can't understand why Trump's pied-piper message plays so well in middle America. Then you see numbers like this.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2018 13:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2018 14:15:13 GMT -5
Belichick for COS!! Except not after that bungled defensive alignment against Miami yesterday!! (The obvious choice is Kellyanne Conway -- she could be the first woman COS for an American President! Huzzah!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 14:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2018 15:47:34 GMT -5
Imagine if a black candidate for President had run for office with the following baggage: Married three times (having cheated his way out of 2 of the marriages), fathered 5 children by these women, filed for bankruptcy 4 times, and paid off a porn star before the election to keep quiet having cheated on his current spouse and all after a tape in which he admitted sexual assault is made public. The hypocritical and/or racist GOPers would have called for a public hanging, to say nothing of the hypocritical holier-than-thou faux Christian evangelicals. And the corrupt Republican Party continues to support Don the Con. Where are the GOPers on Hoya Talk left to defend this malignancy that occupies the White House?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 16:11:12 GMT -5
Imagine if a black candidate for President had run for office with the following baggage: Married three times You could stop right there actually. The rest is just overkill.. That's goes for pretty much any minority group. The guys who talk about both sides sure are silent on all of Trump's scandals, unethical and now criminal behavior. The facts are a Republican led DOJ says the President is guilty of directing his attorney to commit 2 felonies on his behalf. He committed those felonies in an effort to defraud the US voter. I remember folks talking about the spirit of the law during the election. Well, we're way past that.. Regarding 2016- Sure, Republicans would have stuck with Trump no matter what, but independents?... Idk, seems unlikely, thus the cover up..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 10, 2018 17:34:26 GMT -5
Imagine if a black candidate for President had run for office with the following baggage: Married three times (having cheated his way out of 2 of the marriages), fathered 5 children by these women, filed for bankruptcy 4 times, and paid off a porn star before the election to keep quiet having cheated on his current spouse and all after a tape in which he admitted sexual assault is made public. The hypocritical and/or racist GOPers would have called for a public hanging, to say nothing of the hypocritical holier-than-thou faux Christian evangelicals. And the corrupt Republican Party continues to support Don the Con. Where are the GOPers on Hoya Talk left to defend this malignancy that occupies the White House? Saturday Night Live obviously had the same premise as you...
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 10, 2018 18:15:35 GMT -5
Imagine if a black candidate for President had run for office with the following baggage: Married three times (having cheated his way out of 2 of the marriages), fathered 5 children by these women, filed for bankruptcy 4 times, and paid off a porn star before the election to keep quiet having cheated on his current spouse and all after a tape in which he admitted sexual assault is made public. The hypocritical and/or racist GOPers would have called for a public hanging, to say nothing of the hypocritical holier-than-thou faux Christian evangelicals. And the corrupt Republican Party continues to support Don the Con. Where are the GOPers on Hoya Talk left to defend this malignancy that occupies the White House? Saturday Night Live obviously had the same premise as you... Ha ha. I'm too old to stay up that late to watch SNL anymore!
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Post by AvantGuardHoya on Dec 10, 2018 20:43:45 GMT -5
I think people in the blue states can't understand why Trump's pied-piper message plays so well in middle America. Then you see numbers like this. Not sure exactly what point you're trying to make DFW, but I immediately wondered about education levels and income. Funny how those have such a close correlation. A bit dated, but fancy this: www.decisionsciencenews.com/2016/04/15/educated-counties-us/
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 10, 2018 23:02:04 GMT -5
Not sure exactly what point you're trying to make DFW, but I immediately wondered about education levels and income. Funny how those have such a close correlation. Agreed, but stories like this play to the rural voter that "the swamp" gets all the money. And obviously, Amazon HQ2 didn't go to Detroit or Buffalo. It's also an easy target for suspicion and fear-mongering. The government has let the Rust Belt rust away, and in doing so, the captains of 21st century industry lie on the blue coasts where red state "values" are dismissed. Once the party of protectionists, the Democrats are now the "city party", the party of the affluent and the creative classes. And once the party of free trade, today's Republican base is the protectionist "country party"--white, rural, and increasingly left out of today's economy. In 2017, 85 percent of venture capital went to start-ups in just five cities/metro areas: SF/San Jose, New York, Boston, Washington DC, and Los Angeles, all with vital immigrant populations. The link below even notes that the largest negative correlation of cities to VC investment was areas that voted Republican. Excerpt: "Venture capital investment provides an interesting, and disturbing, window into geographic inequality in America. It is the very definition of winner-take-all urbanism, flowing overwhelmingly to America’s largest, most dense, most highly educated, most innovative, and most affluent regions. For all the talk of the rise of the rest, venture capital investment and the wealth it generates are getting more, not less, concentrated." www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/the-extreme-geographic-inequality-of-high-tech-venture-capital/552026/
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 11, 2018 5:47:18 GMT -5
Don the Con defrauded the American electorate of a fair election by lying about not only his campaign and family's contacts with Russians but also his lying about his paying off women. “Cohen’s commission of two campaign finance crimes on the eve of the 2016 election for president of the United States struck a blow to one of the core goals of the federal campaign finance laws: transparency. While many Americans who desired a particular outcome to the election knocked on doors, toiled at phone banks or found any number of other legal ways to make their voices heard, Cohen sought to influence the election from the shadows. He did so by orchestrating secret and illegal payments to silence two women who otherwise would have made public their alleged extramarital affairs with [Trump]. In the process, Cohen deceived the voting public by hiding alleged facts that he believed would have had a substantial effect on the election. It is this type of harm that Congress sought to prevent when it imposed limits on individual contributions to candidates.” None of this is normal. I know people who have run both Democratic and Republican presidential campaigns, and not one reports ever experiencing — or even hearing of — such dealings with a foreign government, much less an adversarial power such as Russia. When Trump says this sort of thing is common practice, he is lying. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-has-the-president-been-smocking/2018/12/10/02e10810-fcbd-11e8-862a-b6a6f3ce8199_story.html?utm_term=.aed4d316eb1c
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 11, 2018 5:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 11, 2018 6:28:04 GMT -5
Don the Con is simply a tool of the Russian disinformation/propaganda machine. And the Republican Party and Fox Propaganda Network are complicit. History will not be kind to either Trump, Fox Propaganda or the Republican Party. But the disinformation campaigns now emanating from Russia are of a different breed, said intelligence officials and analysts. Engineered for the social media age, they fling up swarms of falsehoods, concocted theories and red herrings, intended not so much to persuade people but to bewilder them. Just as often, the stream flows in the opposite direction. False stories that first appear on obscure conservative news sites become fodder for Russian TV talk shows. Since the start of the Trump era, Russian channels regularly echo the U.S. president’s allegations about an American “deep state” and his depictions of the mainstream media as “fake news.” The resulting muddle was highlighted by Putin himself, who, while standing next to President Trump during their July summit in Helsinki, seemed to distill the Kremlin’s approach to the news while responding to a question about Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/world/national-security/russian-propaganda-skripal-salisbury/?utm_term=.a74103fdfe8c
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 11, 2018 6:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 7:11:37 GMT -5
Trump on Khashoggi killing: " Saudi crown prince 'hates it more than I do. " .... "Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.. "A transactional mindset"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2018 8:14:21 GMT -5
Time magazine announced a group of journalists it called “The Guardians” as 2018 Person of the Year, referring to individuals “who have taken great risks in pursuing the truth.”
Others: The staff of Maryland’s Capital Gazette; Reuters journalists Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo; Maria Ressa, CEO of a news outlet in the Philippines targeted by Duterte.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 11, 2018 22:08:19 GMT -5
Time magazine announced a group of journalists it called “The Guardians” as 2018 Person of the Year, referring to individuals “who have taken great risks in pursuing the truth.” Others: The staff of Maryland’s Capital Gazette; Reuters journalists Wa Lone and Kyaw Soe Oo; Maria Ressa, CEO of a news outlet in the Philippines targeted by Duterte. I'm sure you inadvertently omitted the staff at Fox News Network. Just an oversight, right?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 9:15:06 GMT -5
Not sure exactly what point you're trying to make DFW, but I immediately wondered about education levels and income. Funny how those have such a close correlation. Agreed, but stories like this play to the rural voter that "the swamp" gets all the money. And obviously, Amazon HQ2 didn't go to Detroit or Buffalo. It's also an easy target for suspicion and fear-mongering. The government has let the Rust Belt rust away, and in doing so, the captains of 21st century industry lie on the blue coasts where red state "values" are dismissed. Once the party of protectionists, the Democrats are now the "city party", the party of the affluent and the creative classes. And once the party of free trade, today's Republican base is the protectionist "country party"--white, rural, and increasingly left out of today's economy. In 2017, 85 percent of venture capital went to start-ups in just five cities/metro areas: SF/San Jose, New York, Boston, Washington DC, and Los Angeles, all with vital immigrant populations. The link below even notes that the largest negative correlation of cities to VC investment was areas that voted Republican. Excerpt: "Venture capital investment provides an interesting, and disturbing, window into geographic inequality in America. It is the very definition of winner-take-all urbanism, flowing overwhelmingly to America’s largest, most dense, most highly educated, most innovative, and most affluent regions. For all the talk of the rise of the rest, venture capital investment and the wealth it generates are getting more, not less, concentrated." www.citylab.com/life/2018/03/the-extreme-geographic-inequality-of-high-tech-venture-capital/552026/Care to elaborate on the "red state values" that get dismissed by the blue coasts? I feel like this is part-and-parcel of the "You coastal elites live in a bubble and don't understand us" claim. While it might be true, the flip side of that is also true: that a lot of people in red states live in their bubble. Why is that okay?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 10:08:48 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 12, 2018 10:50:35 GMT -5
Care to elaborate on the "red state values" that get dismissed by the blue coasts? I feel like this is part-and-parcel of the "You coastal elites live in a bubble and don't understand us" claim. While it might be true, the flip side of that is also true: that a lot of people in red states live in their bubble. Why is that okay? It's not OK to live in your own bubble--it plays to the tribalism that is corrosive to the national dialogue. In that world prior to Donald Trump, taking away "values" was the standard messaging of late night Fox News: "they" (whoever they are) are trying to take "your" (whoever you are) values, from Hollywood to political correctness on college campuses to the oft-parodied War On Christmas. It also returns for that 3 to 5 days after a shooting that everyone in the media stands up and resolutely says to the camera, "we need to have a national dialogue on this issue," then they all lose focus and drift to another topic. It's the classic strawman argument, one which made Bill O'Reilly a lot of money. O'Reilly is still out there, living on the fringe of online media where, like Glenn Beck, Eric Bolling, and Pat Buchanan, they are persona non grata on major media, each for much different reasons. But O"Reilly's web site is precisely the problem with this line of shallow thinking. Its logo reads: "Take Your Country Back."
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