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Post by TC on Jul 24, 2018 23:00:45 GMT -5
Wonder if he'll push for tougher sanctions on Russia to send a message? This is so when the Dems take the House, he can blame Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 4:09:30 GMT -5
Judging from the casual nature of this conversation it sounds like they do this sort of thing a lot...
Trump: "Pay with cash?"
Other famous quotes:
"The woman are all liars"
OT but nice of Cohen to mention Allen Weisselberg. I'm sure we will be hearing more about him in the future...
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 6:05:17 GMT -5
When a Trump enabler like Gingrich is worried, we all should be: Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker and one of Trump’s closest informal advisers, outlined the challenge in an interview Tuesday: “A major problem for Trump is that he’s a golfer; he doesn’t play a team sport. The rest of the team has to know . . . what play you’re calling. In golf, it’s just between you and the ball. I think that’s a major weakness. . . . The world is far too complicated for one person to control everything.” “It worries me,” added Gingrich, that Trump doesn’t consult more closely about Russia-related issues with officials such as Gen. Joseph F. Dunford Jr., chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. As of Monday, Dunford still hadn’t been briefed on Helsinki, even though it directly affects the more than 1 million troops Dunford oversees. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-cant-win-at-foreign-policy-the-way-he-wins-at-golf/2018/07/24/6887299e-8f83-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html?utm_term=.d41eb42b5972
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 6:58:34 GMT -5
At least the leadership at the VFW understand the First Amendment unlike authoritarian wannabe Trump: "Today, we were disappointed to hear some of our members boo the press during President Trump's remarks," the organization wrote. "We rely on the media to spread the VFW message, and @cnn, @nbcnews, abc, @foxnews, @cbsnews, & others on site today, were our invited guests. We were happy to have them there." www.nbcnews.com/card/vfw-disappointed-members-booed-journalists-during-trump-speech-n894271The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.' -- George Orwell 1984
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 25, 2018 7:45:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 7:48:14 GMT -5
Judging from the casual nature of this conversation it sounds like they do this sort of thing a lot... Trump: "Pay with cash?" Other famous quotes: "The woman are all liars" OT but nice of Cohen to mention Allen Weisselberg. I'm sure we will be hearing more about him in the future... The question is: do Republicans care? The answer is likely no. And will continue to be no. Why do Republicans continue to stick up for this man? "His agenda" that they support so much is the exact same agenda that a President Pence would forward. And they could achieve all of their policy goals with a President Pence without the drama, without the rage-tweets, without having to twist themselves into moral knots.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 7:51:52 GMT -5
Judging from the casual nature of this conversation it sounds like they do this sort of thing a lot... Trump: "Pay with cash?" Other famous quotes: "The woman are all liars" OT but nice of Cohen to mention Allen Weisselberg. I'm sure we will be hearing more about him in the future... The question is: do Republicans care? The answer is likely no. And will continue to be no. Why do Republicans continue to stick up for this man? "His agenda" that they support so much is the exact same agenda that a President Pence would forward. And they could achieve all of their policy goals with a President Pence without the drama, without the rage-tweets, without having to twist themselves into moral knots. Maybe because the Russkies have compromised the Republican Party as well. See e.g., Butina/NRA and evangelicals and Russia. But that doesn’t explain why, for example, Speaker Paul Ryan, a Russia hawk who is retiring in January, allowed his party to torpedo the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the election. Ryan, after all, knows full well who and what Donald Trump is. In a secretly recorded June 2016 conversation about Ukraine, obtained by The Washington Post, the House majority leader, Kevin McCarthy, said, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” Far from disagreeing, Ryan said, “What’s said in the family stays in the family.” If he were patriotic — or even if he just wanted to set himself up for a comeback should Trump implode — he would have stood up for the rule of law in the Russia inquiry. It’s hard to see what he got in return for choosing not to. This week, however, a new possibility came into focus. Perhaps, rather than covering for Trump, some Republicans are covering for themselves. www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/opinion/republican-party-national-rifle-association-trump-russia.htmlwww.economist.com/erasmus/2017/07/14/the-axis-between-russian-orthodox-and-american-evangelicals-is-intacttime.com/4776717/mike-pence-russian-cleric-hilarion-alfeyev/
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 8:14:21 GMT -5
The question is: do Republicans care? The answer is likely no. And will continue to be no. Why do Republicans continue to stick up for this man? "His agenda" that they support so much is the exact same agenda that a President Pence would forward. And they could achieve all of their policy goals with a President Pence without the drama, without the rage-tweets, without having to twist themselves into moral knots. Maybe because the Russkies have compromised the Republican Party as well. See e.g., Butina/NRA and evangelicals and Russia. But that doesn’t explain why, for example, Speaker Paul Ryan, a Russia hawk who is retiring in January, allowed his party to torpedo the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the election. Ryan, after all, knows full well who and what Donald Trump is. In a secretly recorded June 2016 conversation about Ukraine, obtained by The Washington Post, the House majority leader, Kevin McCarthy, said, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” Far from disagreeing, Ryan said, “What’s said in the family stays in the family.” If he were patriotic — or even if he just wanted to set himself up for a comeback should Trump implode — he would have stood up for the rule of law in the Russia inquiry. It’s hard to see what he got in return for choosing not to. This week, however, a new possibility came into focus. Perhaps, rather than covering for Trump, some Republicans are covering for themselves. www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/opinion/republican-party-national-rifle-association-trump-russia.htmlwww.economist.com/erasmus/2017/07/14/the-axis-between-russian-orthodox-and-american-evangelicals-is-intacttime.com/4776717/mike-pence-russian-cleric-hilarion-alfeyev/I don't doubt that many R members of Congress are compromised (Why are so many of them "retiring" this year? Prob so they can be gone before too much about them gets exposed), but what's the upside for rank-and-file Republicans to support this man? Evangelicals?
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 8:22:05 GMT -5
Maybe because the Russkies have compromised the Republican Party as well. See e.g., Butina/NRA and evangelicals and Russia. But that doesn’t explain why, for example, Speaker Paul Ryan, a Russia hawk who is retiring in January, allowed his party to torpedo the House Intelligence Committee investigation into Russian interference in the election. Ryan, after all, knows full well who and what Donald Trump is. In a secretly recorded June 2016 conversation about Ukraine, obtained by The Washington Post, the House majority leader, Kevin McCarthy, said, “There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump.” Far from disagreeing, Ryan said, “What’s said in the family stays in the family.” If he were patriotic — or even if he just wanted to set himself up for a comeback should Trump implode — he would have stood up for the rule of law in the Russia inquiry. It’s hard to see what he got in return for choosing not to. This week, however, a new possibility came into focus. Perhaps, rather than covering for Trump, some Republicans are covering for themselves. www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/opinion/republican-party-national-rifle-association-trump-russia.htmlwww.economist.com/erasmus/2017/07/14/the-axis-between-russian-orthodox-and-american-evangelicals-is-intacttime.com/4776717/mike-pence-russian-cleric-hilarion-alfeyev/I don't doubt that many R members of Congress are compromised (Why are so many of them "retiring" this year? Prob so they can be gone before too much about them gets exposed), but what's the upside for rank-and-file Republicans to support this man? Evangelicals? As a preacher who grew up in the South during the Moral Majority movement, I know where my sisters and brothers are coming from. They feel that the “liberal media” and “secular humanists” seek to embarrass their heroes for standing by this President and therefore only confirm their conviction that they are an embattled minority, up against great odds with none but God on their side. time.com/5161349/president-trump-white-evangelical-support-slaveholders/You are asking the rank-and-file Republicans to actually examine facts and reach logical conclusions. They are stuck in the Fox News bubble and feedback loop. Like some here on Hoya Talk, they will say "I support his agenda" or "still better than Hillary" or deflect to talk about abortion. They will state that they like his nominations to federal court. IOW, they are satisfied with short term political gains and not so much concerned about the corrosive nature of the Trump Regime and the continuing and lasting damage it will do to American democracy and the rule of law. IOW, they are hypocrites when they purport to be for "law and order". They are hypocrites when they claim to support family values. They are hypocrites when they refuse to denounce blatant racism and bigotry or give Trump and his mouthpieces (Sanders, Conway, Miller, Neilsen et al) a pass. Maybe some day they'll recognize that they have been conned by a family of grifters but I don't see that happening soon. You have undoubtedly notice that those who support Trump here almost never engage in a factual discussion about the latest revelations but engage in Trumpean diversion "abortion" "server" "whataboutism".
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 10:21:04 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 11:21:34 GMT -5
Judge's decision should be an interesting read: www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/25/federal-judge-rejects-trump-effort-to-stop-lawsuit-alleging-he-violates-constitution-by-doing-business-with-foreign-governments/?utm_term=.4f14a34cfbd1This is the nightmare — or one of them — that Trump has long feared, namely litigation in which his business operations, perhaps even his tax returns, are laid bare. Norman Eisen, who is co-counsel with the District and Maryland, tells me, “It is another major crack in the dam that has so far been holding back accountability. [Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III] is closing in; [Michael] Cohen is about to cut a deal; and now we have taken another leap forward in being able to understand how Trump is profiting off the presidency, including possibly from Russia.” He adds, “‘Follow the money,’ the old adage goes, and we are going to do exactly that thanks to this decision.” www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/07/25/trump-loses-big-in-emoluments-case/?utm_term=.f9b04a84ee63
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 12:36:47 GMT -5
You can't make this sh*t up. The question is why his banners were being made in the PRC in the first place -- could it be that he is a hypocrite? And Trump enablers/supporters just nod their heads. . . clueless. Banners made in China for President Trump's re-election campaign could be hit by the president's own tariffs, according to Reuters. The news agency reported on Wednesday that “Keep America Great!” banners and "Trump 2020" flags may be among the many products hit with punitive tariffs as part of Trump's trade dispute with China. thehill.com/policy/international/398733-keep-america-great-flags-made-in-china-could-be-hit-by-trump-tariffs
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 13:05:42 GMT -5
You can't make this sh*t up. The question is why his banners were being made in the PRC in the first place -- could it be that he is a hypocrite? And Trump enablers/supporters just nod their heads. . . clueless. Banners made in China for President Trump's re-election campaign could be hit by the president's own tariffs, according to Reuters. The news agency reported on Wednesday that “Keep America Great!” banners and "Trump 2020" flags may be among the many products hit with punitive tariffs as part of Trump's trade dispute with China. thehill.com/policy/international/398733-keep-america-great-flags-made-in-china-could-be-hit-by-trump-tariffsDon't worry - he'll make sure his campaign gets a subsidy, just like the farmers.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 25, 2018 13:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 14:04:28 GMT -5
"after Putin refuses to accept invite"
This reminds me that it's probably not a good idea to have a President who is just casually paying of people to be quiet about compromising information he doesn't want to get out...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2018 14:18:18 GMT -5
On a serious note: Government officials can't use their position to promote private business interests, so Trump promoting his friend's book from the Oval Office is illegal. He doesn't own that office, we do.
On a lighter one: They should just roll cameras and have Ivanka and Don Jr host a QVC White House edition.. It would totally be like every other day at the White House except for the host/camera combo...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2018 0:02:32 GMT -5
"submissive and deferential."
"used false information to turn public opinion in the United States against the (NATO) alliance. He even went so far as to cast doubt on the United States’ willingness to enforce Article 5 of the NATO treaty." 4/
True, although some might say Corker sounds really close to putting on a tin foil hat...
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 26, 2018 5:50:40 GMT -5
Moral leader? Was he ever? No, he's a typical GOP hypocrite more interested in putting party over country. Ryan and Trump have never fit together in the way they approach leadership and decorum. While the speaker spent a good portion of 2016 critiquing candidate Trump for his intemperate remarks, Ryan has pulled back from any public condemnation the past 18 months since the presidential inauguration. That decision — a conscious one, as he says that those criticisms are now delivered in private — has eroded Ryan’s credibility as a moral leader. Not just among Democrats, who have long criticized him as an ideologue, but also among conservative intellectuals who spent years promoting Ryan as the next generation’s leader of a movement founded in the pages of William F. Buckley’s National Review in the 1950s and continued into the 1990s by Jack Kemp’s Empower America, where “bleeding heart conservatives” found solace. www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/snark-sells-but-it-doesnt-stick-ryan-draws-dark-portrait-of-political-talk--without-mentioning-trump/2018/07/25/519387a8-902a-11e8-bcd5-9d911c784c38_story.html?utm_term=.395bf2e93e8eAnd is buyer's remorse growing? In Michigan, which Trump won by nearly 11,000 votes, 36 percent of registered voters approve of the president’s job, while 54 percent disapprove. In Wisconsin, which he won by about 23,000 votes, another 36 percent give Trump a thumbs up, with 52 percent giving him a thumbs down. And in Minnesota, which Trump narrowly lost by 1.5 percentage points, his rating stands at 38 percent approve, 51 percent disapprove. What’s more, with November’s midterm elections less than four months away, Democrats enjoy a lead in congressional preference from 8 points to 12 points in these three states. In Michigan, 45 percent of voters prefer a Democratic-controlled Congress, while 36 percent want a GOP-controlled Congress (D+9). In Minnesota, it’s 48 percent preferring the Democrats, to 36 percent backing the Republicans (D+12). And in Wisconsin, Democrats hold a 47 percent-to-39 percent lead in congressional preference (D+8). "Donald Trump carried or came very close to carrying these three states in 2016. But it's a very different picture for this fall's elections,” says Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, Director of the Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. In all three states — which hold competitive House, Senate and gubernatorial contests in 2018 — the Democratic leads are boosted by female voters, whites with college degrees and independents (though Republicans hold a 1-point edge here in Minnesota). Republicans, meanwhile, have advantages with male voters and whites without college degrees. NBC News / Marist Poll: 2/3 of voters in key states want to give someone new a chance JUL.25.201801:16 MAJORITIES SAY 2018 VOTE IS MESSAGE FOR “CHECK AND BALANCE” ON TRUMP Also in the NBC/Marist polls — which were conducted July 15 to July 19, so mostly after Trump’s widely criticized July 16 press conference with Russia’s Vladimir Putin — majorities in all three states say their vote in November will be a message that more Democrats are needed in Congress to be a check and balance on the president. By contrast, about a third of voters in Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin say their vote will be a message that more Republicans are needed to help President Trump pass his agenda. “Donald Trump's standing in each of these states casts a long shadow over the midterm elections,” Miringoff says. On the economy, about four-in-10 voters in all three states say the economy has improved and give Trump some credit for it; about a third say the economy has improved but don’t give the president credit; and about a quarter say the economy has not improved. A THIRD OF VOTERS IN THESE STATES SAY TRUMP DESERVES RE-ELECTION And only about three-in-10 voters in all three states say President Trump deserves re-election in 2020. In Michigan, just 28 percent believe he deserves re-election, while 62 percent say it’s time to give another person a chance. In Minnesota, 30 percent of voters say Trump deserves re-election, versus 60 percent who disagree. And in Wisconsin, 31 percent say the president should be re-elected, and 63 percent say he shouldn’t. The liver-caller NBC/Marist polls were conducted July 15-19 among respondents contacted by both landline and cell phone. The margin of error for the 886 registered voters in Michigan is plus-minus 3.9 percentage points. The margin of error for the 876 registered voters in Minnesota is plus-minus 4.0 percentage points. And the margin of error of the 906 registered voters in Wisconsin is plus-minus 3.8 percentage points. www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/polls-trump-approval-sags-trio-midwest-states-n894556
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 26, 2018 7:59:00 GMT -5
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