hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Jul 20, 2018 19:08:29 GMT -5
Putin taught Trump how to lie down, beg, play dead and speak on command. Trump was generally a quick study, but for the last part.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 20, 2018 23:19:31 GMT -5
I can understand Ed's desire to have our laws enforced and I understand that he and I may disagree with the ways in which they are. That's a conversation in another thread but I'd very much like to hear his thoughts on Trump's actions in the past week and change with regard to our relationships with our allies and with Russia and his undermining of our IC. Is there a tipping point for those still on board?
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Post by tashoya on Jul 20, 2018 23:20:52 GMT -5
Family values party. Number one on the all-time misnomer list.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 5:32:24 GMT -5
But they "support his agenda"! The danger and folly of these policies were written in an ocean of blood — Lundberg’s and all the others’. So when the wasteful war finally ended, the United States led the world away from those policies and built institutions to prevent new eruptions. The United Nations was formed. The World Bank and International Monetary Fund were created. The General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade was negotiated (and later replaced by the World Trade Organization). The seeds of the European Union were planted, and America’s commitment to stability was made concrete through the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. No sniveling Eastern elitist erected this framework. It was a bipartisan project guided by a Missouri farm boy, Harry S. Truman. A chastened former isolationist, Sen. Arthur Vandenberg of Michigan, delivered Republican support to the Democratic president. “Politics,” the senator declared refreshingly, “stops at the water’s edge.” www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-can-you-forget/2018/07/20/a3bd86b0-8c37-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.fefc4999e8eb
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 5:38:38 GMT -5
Putin taught Trump how to lie down, beg, play dead and speak on command. Trump was generally a quick study, but for the last part. That's why the term "handler" applies to Putin's relationship with Trump. He's Trump's "handler" in the same way a dog handler "handles" a dog. Also "handler" is a term of art in espionage. So both work!!
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 6:33:53 GMT -5
The "great" negotiator Trump. Yeah, right. Betrayal of the United States with the complicit GOP. Russia provided additional details Friday of what it said were agreements made at the presidential summit in Helsinki this week, shaping a narrative of the meeting with no confirmation or alternative account from the Trump administration. Not surprisingly, the Russian story line tended to favor the Kremlin’s own policy prescriptions, at times contradicting stated administration strategy. Russia already has sent formal proposals to Washington for joint U.S.-Russia efforts to fund reconstruction of war-ravaged Syria and facilitate the return home of millions of Syrians who fled the country, following “agreements reached” by President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Col. Gen. Mikhail Mizintsev, the three-star head of the Russian National Defense Management Center, said Friday. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russia-continues-to-shape-narrative-of-helsinki-summit/2018/07/20/3ea54a98-8c40-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 8:05:07 GMT -5
So much economic anxiety in the world... And on cue as Trump endures an awful week, even by his standards, he returns to criticizing NFL Players because being forced to stand for a song celebrating freedom is the best way to highlight the fact that wages have decreased by 1.4% in the last year despite Republicans cutting taxes for the wealthiest Americans..
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 8:24:16 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 8:31:50 GMT -5
Weekly corruption watch: Hey somebody has to pay to make these grifts happen, mine as well be the US taxpayer... Nice.... .... “The arrangement suggests that the Halliburton chairman would be building a long-sought business for the Interior secretary, ethics experts say, a relationship that is fraught with conflicts of interest.” www.politico.com/story/2018/07/18/ryan-zinke-interior-probe-732005 … That's 10 investigations for Scott Pruitt Jr.... .... And let's not forget our dear friend, commerce secretary(?) Wilbur Ross.... and: Grifting the night away...
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 8:48:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2018 8:49:29 GMT -5
Confirmation he lied. Folks also keep ignoring that he went on multiple rants that sounded like Alex Jones had briefed him before he spoke. The "server", Pakistani man at the DNC etc all crazy pants conspiracy theories..
Delusional....
Guy seriously considered handing over a US diplomat to Putin for questioning. Actually had to be talked out of it. This definitely sounds like a well balanced individual who wouldn't make a dumb offer to Putin....
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 10:12:08 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 21, 2018 18:26:08 GMT -5
Are we tired of so much winning yet? When he emerged from his summit with Kim Jong Un last month, President Trump triumphantly declared that North Korea no longer posed a nuclear threat and that one of the world’s most intractable geopolitical crises had been “largely solved.” But in the days and weeks since then, U.S. negotiators have faced stiff resistance from a North Korean team practiced in the art of delay and obfuscation. Diplomats say the North Koreans have canceled follow-up meetings, demanded more money and failed to maintain basic communications, even as the once-isolated regime’s engagements with China and South Korea flourish. Meanwhile, a missile-engine testing facility that Trump said would be destroyed remains intact, and U.S. intelligence officials say Pyongyang is working to conceal key aspects of its nuclear program. www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-private-trump-vents-his-frustration-over-lack-of-progress-on-north-korea/2018/07/21/f6adef88-da7d-403e-9ec8-47d7876fa1de_story.html?utm_term=.36f5318d4e25And Trumpistas, keep voting against your own economic self interest - you've been conned by grifter Trump and his sanctimonious sycophant Pence: COLUMBUS, Ind. — One company and one family loom large over this city, intertwined for decades. Cummins Inc. is the biggest employer in Columbus, built into a $20 billon heavy equipment manufacturer with the help of Mike Pence, who as governor passed special tax cuts and made trade visits to China on its behalf. Pence’s older brother Edward joined Cummins after graduating from college and worked there for four decades, running one of its most lucrative engine plants before retiring last December. A second brother, Greg, is running for the 6th congressional district seat and visited Cummins during a recent campaign stop. But the alliance of the past is being threatened by the administration Mike Pence now serves, as President Trump’s trade war with multiple nations clobbers Cummins and other local companies. According to the Brookings Institution, the Columbus area is the most export-reliant region in the country, with just over half of its economic output linked to foreign purchases. “I’m very worried,” said Tom Linebarger, the chief executive of Cummins, who met with President Trump over dinner at the White House in January in a bid to dissuade him from introducing steel and aluminum tariffs or tearing up free trade agreements. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dependent-on-trade-mike-pences-hometown-takes-a-hit-due-to-trumps-tariffs/2018/07/21/25fd2bda-8c2e-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html
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Post by EasyEd on Jul 21, 2018 19:01:55 GMT -5
I can understand Ed's desire to have our laws enforced and I understand that he and I may disagree with the ways in which they are. That's a conversation in another thread but I'd very much like to hear his thoughts on Trump's actions in the past week and change with regard to our relationships with our allies and with Russia and his undermining of our IC. Is there a tipping point for those still on board? Don't think you really want my thoughts. Your last sentence is a clue. This whole thread is a continuous over the top hate on Trump exercise. Furthermore, it is a constant barrage of insults to anyone who supports Trump or any of his agenda. I choose at this time not to join in.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jul 21, 2018 19:35:29 GMT -5
I can understand Ed's desire to have our laws enforced and I understand that he and I may disagree with the ways in which they are. That's a conversation in another thread but I'd very much like to hear his thoughts on Trump's actions in the past week and change with regard to our relationships with our allies and with Russia and his undermining of our IC. Is there a tipping point for those still on board? Don't think you really want my thoughts. Your last sentence is a clue. This whole thread is a continuous over the top hate on Trump exercise. Furthermore, it is a constant barrage of insults to anyone who supports Trump or any of his agenda. I choose at this time not to join in. A clue as to what? I wonder whether there's a tipping point. I think that's a perfectly reasonable question. You don't?
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Post by TC on Jul 22, 2018 0:09:29 GMT -5
Don't think you really want my thoughts. Your last sentence is a clue. This whole thread is a continuous over the top hate on Trump exercise. Furthermore, it is a constant barrage of insults to anyone who supports Trump or any of his agenda. I choose at this time not to join in. A clue as to what? I wonder whether there's a tipping point. I think that's a perfectly reasonable question. You don't? Can't have a tipping point if you have complete blinders on to everything going on.
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 22, 2018 8:05:09 GMT -5
A clue as to what? I wonder whether there's a tipping point. I think that's a perfectly reasonable question. You don't? Can't have a tipping point if you have complete blinders on to everything going on. Typically, those who continue to support Trump neither engage in discussion of undisputed facts nor apply any reasoning to their decision to continue to support an obviously unstable, deranged, amoral individual. I've had this discussion with people I've known for 30+ years and typically, their retort is not to discuss the facts (they live with "alternative facts" drawn from Fox, especially Sean Hannity, Breitbart, Alex Jones, etc) and say "still better than Hillary." Why can't they discuss the fact on display for the entire world that our President sided with murderous thug Putin over our own USIC? Nor can they discuss the incompetence and chaos of this Presidency. In the law, it's called "willful blindness." Try this one on for size, Trumpistas: www.newsweek.com/league-south-white-nationalism-russia-language-page-donald-trump-vladimir-1035916 The only outliers are Republicans, go figure! By wide margins, Americans give President Trump negative marks for his conduct during a summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin last week and for his casting doubt on U.S. intelligence conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds. The Post-ABC poll conducted Wednesday through Friday finds that overall, 33 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of his meeting with Putin while 50 percent disapprove. A sizable 18 percent say they have no opinion. A slightly larger 56 percent disapprove of Trump expressing doubts about U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to influence the outcome of the 2016 election. On both questions, those who say they “strongly disapprove” of Trump’s performance outnumber those who say they “strongly approve” by better than 2 to 1. www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-give-trump-negative-marks-for-helsinki-performance/2018/07/22/832ec2be-8d19-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html?utm_term=.763b19b65a37
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Post by SSHoya on Jul 22, 2018 8:54:22 GMT -5
Don't think you really want my thoughts. Your last sentence is a clue. This whole thread is a continuous over the top hate on Trump exercise. Furthermore, it is a constant barrage of insults to anyone who supports Trump or any of his agenda. I choose at this time not to join in. A clue as to what? I wonder whether there's a tipping point. I think that's a perfectly reasonable question. You don't? Trump identified that there is no tipping point: "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." -- Donald J. Trump, January 23, 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 10:00:44 GMT -5
It seems to me that we have reached a point where it is about winning the battle with Democrats re: Trump.
“I support his policies” isn’t really an argument that holds water. Tax cuts, judicial appointments, seeking to roll back reproductive rights and health care...all of these things would be accomplished with a President Pence just as much as with President Trump.
It’s about “owning the libs”. That’s it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2018 10:07:07 GMT -5
I can understand Ed's desire to have our laws enforced and I understand that he and I may disagree with the ways in which they are. That's a conversation in another thread but I'd very much like to hear his thoughts on Trump's actions in the past week and change with regard to our relationships with our allies and with Russia and his undermining of our IC. Is there a tipping point for those still on board? Don't think you really want my thoughts. Your last sentence is a clue. This whole thread is a continuous over the top hate on Trump exercise. Furthermore, it is a constant barrage of insults to anyone who supports Trump or any of his agenda. I choose at this time not to join in. People were insulting to Obama but plenty of folks defended him but they felt him worthy of defense. Ed, imo the reason you guys don't engage us is because you know we're right and there is no defense of Trump. You criticize us for being critical, but you never identify anything we've been inaccurate on. You just don't like that we post a lot of accurate articles about what he's doing. He's incompetent, he's an a-hole, but he's your a-hole. If that's not it, why are there so many things that you guys were critical of other Presidents for doing but give Trump a pass on?
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