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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jun 12, 2018 15:58:21 GMT -5
I think Trump would like to be a dictator like Kim; no criticism of his style and approach then.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jun 12, 2018 16:12:36 GMT -5
I think Trump would like to be a dictator like Kim; no criticism of his style and approach then. Kim's suit fits better. Maybe Trump wants to use his tailor?
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Post by Elvado on Jun 12, 2018 16:35:57 GMT -5
President Trump has invited Kim Jong Un to visit him at the White House. So, Un, a repressive dictator, is welcome at the White House, but the Philadelphia Eagles are not? The one place I am sure Trump got something right. The Eagles and their mouth breathing fans are rightly pariahs universally.
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Post by hoyarooter on Jun 12, 2018 19:03:39 GMT -5
President Trump has invited Kim Jong Un to visit him at the White House. So, Un, a repressive dictator, is welcome at the White House, but the Philadelphia Eagles are not? Trump: Chairman Un, if I invite you to the White House, do you promise to stand for the American national anthem? In: Sure, why not. I particularly like the bombs bursting in air line. Trump: Then you are invited.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 12, 2018 19:47:43 GMT -5
I don't know how long it will be before we know if President Trump and his negotiators can get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program in a way that is absolutely verifiable. Nor do we know the price. North Korea has a history of making pledges and then violating them so the long term prospects appear to be iffy. But the goal is a highly desirable one and I think it is well worth the try. I would like to see both parties bury their animosity toward one another and support our president in working toward the goal.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 12, 2018 23:26:56 GMT -5
I don't know how long it will be before we know if President Trump and his negotiators can get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program in a way that is absolutely verifiable. I feel like we already know the answer to that.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2018 5:27:58 GMT -5
I don't know how long it will be before we know if President Trump and his negotiators can get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program in a way that is absolutely verifiable. I feel like we already know the answer to that. Come on TC, don't you remember of how supportive the Republicans were of the idea of a President talking to our enemies during the 2008 campaign? Republicans for the most part are hypocrites. Let us ponder what the reaction among Republicans and conservatives would have been if President Barack Obama had done what President Trump did on Tuesday: ● Sat down with a dictator whose regime had killed hundreds of thousands of people and who tortures and enslaves as many as 130,000 political prisoners in gulags. ● Set no specific preconditions for the meeting and secured no commitment on human rights nor any firm promise to denuclearize. ● Blindsided allies by agreeing to the dictator’s request to cease “provocative” military exercises with those allies. ● Praised the dictator in lavish terms: “very talented man . . . wants to do the right thing . . . very worthy, very smart negotiator . . . excellent relationship . . . funny guy . . . loves his people . . . great personality . . . a great honor . . . very special bond . . . I do trust him.” But we don’t have to wonder what the reaction would have been to Obama doing such things, because we know what happened when he even floated the idea. In 2007, then-Sen. Obama answered in the affirmative when asked if he would be willing to meet without precondition the leaders of repressive regimes, including North Korea’s, “to bridge the gap that divides our countries.” His presidential opponent John McCain and other Republicans hit Obama near daily for what they deemed “inexperience and reckless judgment.” (Hillary Clinton gave him grief, too.) Later, Sarah Palin, specifically mentioning North Korea, proclaimed the Obama doctrine was “coddling enemies and alienating allies.” Mitt Romney mocked Obama for saying he was going to “engage North Korea.” Democrats, were they inclined to be demagogic, could have attacked Trump for sitting down with a murderous dictator. Most didn’t. Though critical of Trump’s deference to Kim and the meeting’s lack of substance, they generally didn’t criticize the idea of meeting. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/if-obama-had-held-this-summit-we-know-how-the-gop-wouldve-reacted/2018/06/12/a031b73a-6e75-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?utm_term=.71462032b4bdAnd of course we have Fox "News": Fox News criticized former President Obama for his willingness to "talk to dictators." Now, conservative media praises President Trump's work with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/06/12/fox-news-obama-trump-coverage.cnn
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Post by TC on Jun 13, 2018 6:54:42 GMT -5
My point wasn't really on hypocrisy - I could drag out Ed's posts and personal hypocrisy here on Cuba/Iran and ask how much he "buried his animosity and supported our President", but that's really not the point.
We know this won't work because we're not stupid.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2018 7:01:26 GMT -5
My point wasn't really on hypocrisy - I could drag out Ed's posts and personal hypocrisy here on Cuba/Iran and ask how much he "buried his animosity and supported our President", but that's really not the point. We know this won't work because we're not stupid. Sure. Clinton/Bush both failed in their negotiations with North Korea with much more robust joint statements/agreements. Trump has adopted the dual suspension policy of the PRC -- freeze for freeze, i.e., no nuclear testing for no joint military exercises. He is doing PRC's bidding for a photo op. The ignorant fool is tweeting that there is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea. qz.com/1303378/trump-kim-summit-us-presidents-who-signed-deals-with-north-korea/www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/06/13/what-does-the-trump-kim-summit-mean-not-a-damn-thing/?utm_term=.c78d5aa97ddfWhy anyone would trust an ignorant Trump who's speculating on condo developments on North Korean beaches is mystifying. Trump is basically ceding East Asia to the PRC by withdrawing from the TPP and striking at the heart of our defense policy with ROK/Japan. He has also done Putin's bidding by seeking to destroy the NATO alliance and Western democracies. Trump is in the authoritarian mold of Putin, Xi, Duterte, Erdogan, and now Kim. What a disgrace. "As an example, they have great beaches," Trump said to reporters. "You see that whenever they're exploding their cannons into the ocean. I said, 'Boy, look at that view. Wouldn't that make a great condo?'" www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-north-korea-beaches-great-place-for-hotels-condos-2018-6
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 10:34:27 GMT -5
Trump is a hell of a marketer. He can't negotiate for crap but he knows how to put on a show.... Props where props are due...
Sweet gig.....
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 13, 2018 12:43:29 GMT -5
I don't know how long it will be before we know if President Trump and his negotiators can get North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons program in a way that is absolutely verifiable. I feel like we already know the answer to that. Now I know why I stayed away from the B&G board. I was hoping to see at least one response saying something like "I don't have faith that President Trump can pull this off, but, for the sake of humanity I hope he is successful and I support his efforts". But, no, I see this board is still populated by people who despise Trump and anyone who supports him in anything. Rather see the North Koreans retain their ICBM's and nuclear weapons than give President Trump a victory.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 13, 2018 12:50:13 GMT -5
This would have to be an actual effort with due diligence, enforcement steps, carried out carefully and diplomatically. It's not.
Denuclearization is a worthy goal for humanity. Donald Trump doesn't care about denuclearization.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 13, 2018 15:49:08 GMT -5
Birds of a feather. . . Another GOP White Supremacist candidate supported by Trump. Be proud, GOP, be very proud. President Trump appeared awfully eager to throw his support to Corey Stewart, the new GOP nominee for Senate in Virginia, despite the fact that he is an apologist for white supremacy who has been condemned by other Republicans. Trump, arriving back from abroad, tweeted his support for Stewart at 5:55 a.m., wishing him “Congratulations” for his “great victory,” and declaring that he has “a major chance of winning” against Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine. Stewart is indeed a very bad actor. In the wake of the white supremacist rallies and the murder of a young woman in Charlottesville, Stewart blamed “half the violence” on the left and condemned fellow Republicans who apologized for the outcome as “weak,” claiming they had helped liberals associate neo-Nazis with the GOP and adding: “There was no reason to apologize.” www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/06/13/trump-just-endorsed-an-apologist-for-white-supremacy-that-could-hurt-the-gop-this-fall/?utm_term=.58ef5c40863c
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 14, 2018 5:07:23 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why you would want to be associated with a Republican Party which pledges fealty to Trump and not the US Constitution? Another GOPer who praises white supremacy, and Paul Ryan remains silent: Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa is drawing scrutiny after sharing a social media post from a British white nationalist who has described himself in the past as an admirer of Hitler’s Germany and a “Nazi sympathizer.” King, whose racially inflected comments on subjects such as immigration and Western culture have drawn headlines for years, retweeted the British white nationalist Mark Collett, who had shared a statistic from Breitbart News on Tuesday morning about opinions of “mass immigration” in Italy. As the 21-year-old leader of the young wing of Britain’s far-right British National Party in 2002, Collett was a main subject of the television documentary “Young, Nazi and Proud,” in which documentarian David Modell surreptitiously recorded him expressing admiration for Germany under Hitler’s rule and criticizing the presence of Jewish people in Europe. www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/06/13/a-gop-congressman-retweeted-a-self-described-nazi-sympathizer-his-party-did-not-rebuke-him/?utm_term=.c2e6cb322b10
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Post by tashoya on Jun 14, 2018 8:04:18 GMT -5
Can anyone explain why you would want to be associated with a Republican Party which pledges fealty to Trump and not the US Constitution? Another GOPer who praises white supremacy, and Paul Ryan remains silent: Republican Rep. Steve King of Iowa is drawing scrutiny after sharing a social media post from a British white nationalist who has described himself in the past as an admirer of Hitler’s Germany and a “Nazi sympathizer.” King, whose racially inflected comments on subjects such as immigration and Western culture have drawn headlines for years, retweeted the British white nationalist Mark Collett, who had shared a statistic from Breitbart News on Tuesday morning about opinions of “mass immigration” in Italy. As the 21-year-old leader of the young wing of Britain’s far-right British National Party in 2002, Collett was a main subject of the television documentary “Young, Nazi and Proud,” in which documentarian David Modell surreptitiously recorded him expressing admiration for Germany under Hitler’s rule and criticizing the presence of Jewish people in Europe. www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2018/06/13/a-gop-congressman-retweeted-a-self-described-nazi-sympathizer-his-party-did-not-rebuke-him/?utm_term=.c2e6cb322b10Racism and buying the BS that the tax cut is going to help regular people in the long run? Heavy on the first part?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 14, 2018 10:08:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:24:31 GMT -5
Comic relief..... The remember when edition...
Is this how you show the proper amount of respect for our troops and flag?
Oh Fox...
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 14, 2018 15:24:42 GMT -5
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Post by blueeagle on Jun 14, 2018 17:02:57 GMT -5
I feel like we already know the answer to that. Now I know why I stayed away from the B&G board. I was hoping to see at least one response saying something like "I don't have faith that President Trump can pull this off, but, for the sake of humanity I hope he is successful and I support his efforts". But, no, I see this board is still populated by people who despise Trump and anyone who supports him in anything. Rather see the North Koreans retain their ICBM's and nuclear weapons than give President Trump a victory. I unexpectedly snorted reading this reply. Thank you for making making me laugh - sort of.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 14, 2018 19:17:06 GMT -5
I don't know what about this bothers me more, the hypocrisy, his moralizing about it, or his incompetence.
Can we just kick everyone over the age of 50 out of public service and get some people in who can compartmentalize personal and business email?
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