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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2018 19:30:20 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 22, 2018 19:36:30 GMT -5
So, was McMaster the leaker on the DO NOT CONGRATULATE? There's an Twitter theory out there that the leaker is none other than Donald John Trump. Why? He's all about attention, and it's not like he hasn't manufactured press copy before.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 22, 2018 19:37:55 GMT -5
So, was McMaster the leaker on the DO NOT CONGRATULATE? There's an Twitter theory out there that the leaker is none other than Donald John Trump. Why? He's all about attention, and it's not like he hasn't manufactured press copy before. I heard that theory from Jeremy Bash (former COS for CIA and DOD under Obama). But was to signal Putin that Trump went against the advice of his national security advisers to show his fealty to Putin.
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 22, 2018 22:05:28 GMT -5
Russia interferes with elections, and murders people with nerve agents on the foreign soil of our closest ally... Trump: GREAT JOB STUFFING THOSE BALLOT BOXES BOSS, CAN’T WAIT TO HANG OUT SOON! Donald Trump = Dagwood Bumstead Putin = Mr. Dithers Probably an insult to Dagwood. "President Obama called Russian President-elect and Prime Minister Putin to congratulate him on his recent victory in the Russian Presidential election.” - White Hosue Press Release, 2012 Obama congratulates Putin for election “win”
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 23, 2018 0:58:47 GMT -5
Donald Trump = Dagwood Bumstead Putin = Mr. Dithers Probably an insult to Dagwood. "President Obama called Russian President-elect and Prime Minister Putin to congratulate him on his recent victory in the Russian Presidential election.” - White Hosue Press Release, 2012 Obama congratulates Putin for election “win”OFF NARRATIVE!! NO WANDERING OFF THE NARRATIVE RESERVATION!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 1:27:25 GMT -5
And nothing has changed since then except Putin:
—Invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea (2014) —Enabled Assad to slaughter his people and commit human rights abuses (2015-) —Interfered in 2016 US election (2016) —Poisoned 21 people with a nerve agent attack on the streets of the UK (Last Week)
Time hasn't stood still guys.
His staff clearly understand this or they wouldn't have written DO NOT CONGRATULATE!.....
Republicans on the HILL understand this or they wouldn't have been so critical.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2018 5:31:02 GMT -5
And nothing has changed since then except Putin: —Invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea (2014) —Enabled Assad to slaughter his people and commit human rights abuses (2015-) —Interfered in 2016 US election (2016) —Poisoned 21 people with a nerve agent attack on the streets of the UK (Last Week) Time hasn't stood still guys. His staff clearly understand this or they wouldn't have written DO NOT CONGRATULATE!..... Republicans on the HILL understand this or they wouldn't have been so critical. Plus as the super genius reminded us in the 2012 debates, Russia was a geopolitical foe of the 80’s to be laughed at and glibly dismissed. How can you hold Barry accountable for that miss? Not fair. Obama never wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 9:43:18 GMT -5
And nothing has changed since then except Putin: —Invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea (2014) —Enabled Assad to slaughter his people and commit human rights abuses (2015-) —Interfered in 2016 US election (2016) —Poisoned 21 people with a nerve agent attack on the streets of the UK (Last Week) Time hasn't stood still guys. His staff clearly understand this or they wouldn't have written DO NOT CONGRATULATE!..... Republicans on the HILL understand this or they wouldn't have been so critical. Plus as the super genius reminded us in the 2012 debates, Russia was a geopolitical foe of the 80’s to be laughed at and glibly dismissed. How can you hold Barry accountable for that miss? Not fair. Obama never wrong. Not fair. Clearly our biggest enemy is the Deep State and the FBI. Russia is our ally. Don't forget the current stance of the leader of the Republican Party that you support. Btw Is he still planning on springing that trap on Putin as you suggested?
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2018 10:29:01 GMT -5
Plus as the super genius reminded us in the 2012 debates, Russia was a geopolitical foe of the 80’s to be laughed at and glibly dismissed. How can you hold Barry accountable for that miss? Not fair. Obama never wrong. Not fair. Clearly our biggest enemy is the Deep State and the FBI. Russia is our ally. Don't forget the current stance of the leader of the Republican Party that you support. Btw Is he still planning on springing that trap on Putin as you suggested? No he will wait until after elections when he has “more flexibility”. Isn’t that what enlightened geniuses do? Bash Trump all you like. Obama era Russia policy was a train wreck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 10:31:41 GMT -5
Not fair. Clearly our biggest enemy is the Deep State and the FBI. Russia is our ally. Don't forget the current stance of the leader of the Republican Party that you support. Btw Is he still planning on springing that trap on Putin as you suggested? No he will wait until after elections when he has “more flexibility”. Isn’t that what enlightened geniuses do? Bash Trump all you like. Obama era Russia policy was a train wreck. Bash Obama all you like, but Trump's Russia policy is weaker than Obamas, and you're currently defending it... Is that what enlightened geniuses do? Get mad at one President for being weak, then defend another President who is being weaker? Makes sense....
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 23, 2018 10:47:25 GMT -5
No he will wait until after elections when he has “more flexibility”. Isn’t that what enlightened geniuses do? Bash Trump all you like. Obama era Russia policy was a train wreck. Bash Obama all you want but Trump's Russia policy is weaker than Obamas and you're currently defending it... Is that what enlightened geniuses do? Get mad at one President for being weak then defend another who is being weaker? Makes sense.... The multiple daily posts of outrage against something the idiot in the White House says or does never stops. Compare that to the absolute silence on this board from the same posters from 2008-2016 when Democrats did many of the same things. And who on this board is defending what Trump is doing???
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 23, 2018 10:56:35 GMT -5
Bash Obama all you want but Trump's Russia policy is weaker than Obamas and you're currently defending it... Is that what enlightened geniuses do? Get mad at one President for being weak then defend another who is being weaker? Makes sense.... The multiple daily posts of outrage against something the idiot in the White House says or does never stops. Compare that to the absolute silence on this board from the same posters from 2008-2016 when Democrats did many of the same things. And who on this board is defending what Trump is doing???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 11:37:01 GMT -5
Bash Obama all you want but Trump's Russia policy is weaker than Obamas and you're currently defending it... Is that what enlightened geniuses do? Get mad at one President for being weak then defend another who is being weaker? Makes sense.... That was my point. The multiple daily posts of outrage against something the idiot in the White House says or does never stops. Compare that to the absolute silence on this board from the same posters from 2008-2016 when Democrats did many of the same things. That's probably because the "idiot in the White House" keeps saying and doing outrages things on a daily basis. If Obama had done 1/8 of what Trump has, MAGA media, and conservatives in general, would be taking up arms and marching on the White House. The typical story shared on here by myself, and others, would be a major scandal in any other administration. And there's 20 more I'm forgetting. No other President has raged like this in office, and Trump has been President for barely over one year. You can't compare Trump to any other President. The way he acts is unique, so the reaction to him is as well...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 11:46:03 GMT -5
The multiple daily posts of outrage against something the idiot in the White House says or does never stops. Compare that to the absolute silence on this board from the same posters from 2008-2016 when Democrats did many of the same things. And who on this board is defending what Trump is doing??? That's not close to the number one gripe with Cambridge Analytics but do you think these scenarios are similar? If Obama had just taken personal data from Facebook users, without their knowledge, and used it to build psychological profiles on 50 million Americans, what would reporting on the right look like right now? Now add in all the more salacious details like them bragging about buying hookers to set up their campaign opponents, and using stolen, private emails, of two world leaders from hackers in another.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2018 12:29:50 GMT -5
And nothing has changed since then except Putin: —Invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea (2014) —Enabled Assad to slaughter his people and commit human rights abuses (2015-) —Interfered in 2016 US election (2016) —Poisoned 21 people with a nerve agent attack on the streets of the UK (Last Week) Time hasn't stood still guys. His staff clearly understand this or they wouldn't have written DO NOT CONGRATULATE!..... Republicans on the HILL understand this or they wouldn't have been so critical. So all of those offenses save for the nerve gas attacks occurred on whose watch ? Barry really brought Putin to heel didn’t he? Russia was so scared of Obama’s steely resolve that they were emboldened to interfere in our elections. Probably deserves another Nobel Peace Prize for his fine work on Russia. Then again, it’s more than he did to get the first one.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 12:33:08 GMT -5
And nothing has changed since then except Putin: —Invaded the Ukraine and annexed Crimea (2014) —Enabled Assad to slaughter his people and commit human rights abuses (2015-) —Interfered in 2016 US election (2016) —Poisoned 21 people with a nerve agent attack on the streets of the UK (Last Week) Time hasn't stood still guys. His staff clearly understand this or they wouldn't have written DO NOT CONGRATULATE!..... Republicans on the HILL understand this or they wouldn't have been so critical. So all of those offenses save for the nerve gas attacks occurred on whose watch ? Barry really brought Putin to heel didn’t he? Russia was so scared of Obama’s steely resolve that they were emboldened to interfere in our elections. Probably deserves another Nobel Peace Prize for his fine work on Russia. Then again, it’s more than he did to get the first one. After 2012, and you have no problem with Trump being weaker than Obama on this issue.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 23, 2018 12:43:30 GMT -5
So all of those offenses save for the nerve gas attacks occurred on whose watch ? Barry really brought Putin to heel didn’t he? Russia was so scared of Obama’s steely resolve that they were emboldened to interfere in our elections. Probably deserves another Nobel Peace Prize for his fine work on Russia. Then again, it’s more than he did to get the first one. After 2012, and you have no problem with Trump being weaker than Obama on this issue. Oh I see after 2012 doesn’t count against Barry’s record.... Got it. His fecklessness emboldened Putin. Period. Trump gets no credit from me here but the Obama policies and Hillary’s? Reset were epic failures.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 12:47:11 GMT -5
After 2012, and you have no problem with Trump being weaker than Obama on this issue. Oh I see after 2012 doesn’t count against Barry’s record.... Got it. His fecklessness emboldened Putin. Period. Trump gets no credit from me here but the Obama policies and Hillary’s? Reset were epic failures. I think you're missing the point, but either way, Russia's our ally E! "They can help us with the Ukraine, Syria, and North Korea".. Chillax bro....
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Post by DallasHoya on Mar 23, 2018 13:07:52 GMT -5
That's not close to the number one gripe with Cambridge Analytics but do you think these scenarios are similar? If Obama had just taken personal data from Facebook users, without their knowledge, and used it to build psychological profiles on 50 million Americans, what would reporting on the right look like right now? Now add in all the more salacious details like them bragging about buying hookers to set up their campaign opponents, and using stolen, private emails, of two world leaders from hackers in another. I think we would all agree that the people who think their Facebook is kept confidential are the reason packages of peanuts have "may contain nuts" written on them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 13:26:31 GMT -5
That's not close to the number one gripe with Cambridge Analytics but do you think these scenarios are similar? If Obama had just taken personal data from Facebook users, without their knowledge, and used it to build psychological profiles on 50 million Americans, what would reporting on the right look like right now? Now add in all the more salacious details like them bragging about buying hookers to set up their campaign opponents, and using stolen, private emails, of two world leaders from hackers in another. I think we would all agree that the people who think their Facebook is kept confidential are the reason packages of peanuts have "may contain nuts" written on them. I do agree with that, and that's why I said that part isn't the big story. But you and I both know, on Fox, and in RW media, this would be a months long story. If Republicans had control of Congress, their would be MANY inquiries, and hearings on that 1 detail. Mainly because of the fact it's being used in an election, not to sell you Vitamins. They took the data, without permission, were told to stop using the stolen data, and continued to do so. That one part alone would be a huge story on the right. There would be an individual thread on this site. Am I lying? And they did a lot more than that, as pointed out above. On the right you get arguments like the cartoon you posted. Then you say, Trump is being treated more harshly than Obama, or any other President? Ok, if you say so, but looks like to me Trump is doing a lot of crazy things, and acting in ways no President has done previously. It's too much news. So a lot of his scandals don't get the attention they would in any other Administration. Would a Jared Kushner exist in a Bush Administration, would a Rob Porter be hanging around? Seems unlikely...
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