hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 5, 2019 21:03:03 GMT -5
[br It is amazing that the left does not wish to address this question. And there is no “shifting of the goal post”, etc. Once again why did the country reject Clinton? There were two major candidates – – Trump and Clinton. Why did Trump win? Why did Clinton lose? And please, do not bring up mother Russia… DFW already gave one answer to the question: Clinton did not aggressively campaign in areas that she believed she had wrapped up. I'll give you a few others: First, your premise is faulty. The country did not "reject Clinton." More people voted for her than did Trump. And it wasn't close. It was 3 million more. Two percentage points. In that sense, her defeat (or rejection, in your words) is entirely a function of the electoral college. Second, Trump won because he was able to tap into fears and anxieties regarding the place of white males in American society. Those fears were particularly powerful because country had just had eight years of a black President and his current opponent was a female. They were (and continue to be) powerful also because of the changing demographics of the country. Third, Trump won because he is a gifted communicator, particularly when it comes to saying things in very snippy and concise ways and utilizing social media to his advantage. He recognized that any publicity was good publicity. He turned any attack -- any allegation against him -- as an attack against him and, thus, an attack against those who might support him. Like his supporters, he was aggrieved. And he did not shy away from any rhetoric, no matter how inflammatory. Fourth, Trump won because he was willing to make promises to people (many of whom were the same white males he was targeting above) that he could improve their economic lives. This is no different than what many other politicians have done since the beginning of time. But what differentiated him from others in the past (and certainly from Clinton) is that a certain portion of the population believed he could actually achieve it based on his (perceived) past successes in business. He had no compunction about simply making things up and out and out lying about what was true, what could be true, and what he would or would not do. Again, that's not different in substance from other politicians (including Hillary), but its scope and brazenness was. Fifth, substantively, Hillary was a flawed and bruised candidate and communication has never been her strength. Her "crookedness" was easily explainable had she more readily done so. Sixth, people vote for uniforms. Again, that's always been true to a certain extent, but it's even more true now. The vast majority of the people that voted for Trump (that is, those that "rejected Clinton") would have voted for literally anyone that ran with an "R" before their name. And the same is true of the Democrats. While everything you say is accurate, DFW's explanation really trumps them all (no pun intended). Hillary blew it in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. She took too much for granted and paid the price.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 7, 2019 10:01:31 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 8, 2019 7:21:38 GMT -5
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 7:58:42 GMT -5
I remember down the homestretch of the 2016 election that there was significant pearl clutching in the main stream media that when Trump lost, he would not accept the results of the election. I find it quite amusing that almost 2 1/2 years after the election, Hillary cultists still or relitigating the election. It amazes me that the 2016 election thread is live with multiple Trump Derangement Syndrome posts every day.
Next time, run a candidate who does not reek of corruption and arrogance.
Very, very sad!
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 7:59:47 GMT -5
I remember down the homestretch of the 2016 election that there was significant pearl clutching in the main stream media that when Trump lost, he would not accept the results of the election. I find it quite amusing that almost 2 1/2 years after the election, Hillary cultists are still relitigating the election. It amazes me that the 2016 election thread is live with multiple Trump Derangement Syndrome posts every day. Next time, run a candidate who does not reek of corruption and arrogance. Very, very sad!
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 8, 2019 8:05:17 GMT -5
Next time, run a candidate who does not reek of corruption and arrogance. Like Trump?
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 8:59:23 GMT -5
Next time, run a candidate who does not reek of corruption and arrogance. Like Trump? He is bad but she was worse! Two horrible choices but the EC felt he was the lesser of 2 evils.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 8, 2019 9:13:59 GMT -5
He is bad but she was worse! Two horrible choices but the EC felt he was the lesser of 2 evils. Indulge us, how was she more corrupt and arrogant than Trump?
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 9:40:37 GMT -5
It is a matter of perception. Many people felt and feel that politicians of both parties do not serve the public well and are only interested in serving special interests and maintaining power. Trump was an outsider and destroyed the 16 establishment Rs who failed to deliver under Bush 43 and in Congress. Clinton faced the same challenge from an outsider in Bernie but beat him in the primary only with immense help from the superdelegate system and media support (remember Donna Brazile feeding HRC the debate questions?)
To me, Trump was and is a severely flawed person but got traction, and then won, because of disgust with the political class. And HRC lost because of the same factor. The failed system lead to Trump, in my view.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 8, 2019 9:51:16 GMT -5
(remember Donna Brazile feeding HRC the debate questions?) I remember that and it's the most BS talking point ever, because there was no possible advantage there. Brazile said there'd be a question on Flint .... in the debate at Flint. That's the most no-brainer thing you should be prepared for on the history of earth, and there's no possible advantage there given. It's just idiocy by Donna Brazile that came to light because the Russians hacked the DNC as part of their support for their asset. Meanwhile this week, even though conservatives have complained about the Donna Brazile thing for years, we find out that Roger Ailes fed Donald Trump debate questions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 11:40:19 GMT -5
Interesting list of Trump promises both kept and broken. Spoiler alert: tax cuts for wealthy and far right judges kept. Health care, budget deficit, trade deficit, wall, lock her up (thank god), North Korea, drain the swamp and everything else broken. Trump: If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that. Trump said in 2016.
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 11, 2019 5:20:59 GMT -5
Tim "Apple." Apparently Trump is claiming it is fake news telling donors at Mar-a-Lago that he never said it despite the fact that it is on videotape. Hey cultists, I guess you believe him, right?
"Truth isn't truth." - Rudy Giuliani
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Post by Elvado on Mar 11, 2019 5:24:58 GMT -5
Interesting list of Trump promises both kept and broken. Spoiler alert: tax cuts for wealthy and far right judges kept. Health care, budget deficit, trade deficit, wall, lock her up (thank god), North Korea, drain the swamp and everything else broken. Trump: If I’m elected, you won’t lose one plant, you’ll have plants coming into this country, you’re going to have jobs again, you won’t lose one plant, I promise you that. Trump said in 2016. Of all his failures, and they are plentiful, the failure to lock up Hillary is the one you invoke God over?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 11, 2019 6:26:41 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 11, 2019 6:31:16 GMT -5
Only real scum would cozy up with the Chinese in exchange for monetary gain... Loral anyone?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 11, 2019 6:44:18 GMT -5
I'll go with Charles Trie and those folks. Tell me something I don't already know. I am good friends with the former DOJ attorney (he was just appointed a magistrate judge in MD Alabama) who investigated Loral Hughes, no prosecution and civil penalties imposed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 8:51:01 GMT -5
It's pretty sad that Republicans who spent the entire election claiming that a charity was a giant pay to play scheme make excuses for Trump doing 10x's worse. Thing is it's not even difficult to do. Just wave 5 dollars in the air and watch them start swarming..
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 12, 2019 12:33:02 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 14, 2019 11:58:08 GMT -5
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 15, 2019 5:54:00 GMT -5
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