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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 8:23:57 GMT -5
No clearly it was very stupid and whaaat the hell was that rambling nonsense? He should be impeached for that word salad of bs alone. Lol
I swear Fox never disappoints. When and how did Comey's story change? Guy who just admitted a huge lie says "My story never changed" and reporter says It was pretty smart to lie to keep a guy who wasn't lying honest... Makes sen.. No it doesn't make any sense, sorry..
Btw sad how many conservatives fell for that unmasking garbage something we hear nothing about anymore until Trump needs to deflect away from his lies.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 9:20:11 GMT -5
Thank god, the former Court TV anchor is weighing in again. He's not quite as calming as Ja Rule in times of turmoil, but he'll have to do... Normal to ignore the content by trashing the writer. I thought he explained quite a bit in his article even if you question his conclusions.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 9:24:18 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 9:56:28 GMT -5
Thank god, the former Court TV anchor is weighing in again. He's not quite as calming as Ja Rule in times of turmoil, but he'll have to do... Normal to ignore the content by trashing the writer. I thought he explained quite a bit in his article even if you question his conclusions. Interesting you mention "trashing" people and "evidence" in your last two posts. Do you have any evidence that Mueller, a bronze star recipient and a George Bush appointed FBI Director is incapable of making unbiased decisions as your article suggests?
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 23, 2017 10:08:56 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election? Where did he say Trump colluded with the Russians? I must have missed that.
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Post by TC on Jun 23, 2017 10:37:23 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election? That's kind of the point of an investigation that Trump wants to squash by threatening the FBI director, firing the FBI director, and now wanting to fire the Assistant AG and Mueller. This is like having an egg in your hand and accusingly asking "where is the chicken"? Three pages ago you were arguing that Trump has the right to fire Comey. Once there's proof Trump colluded with Russia, you're just going to move the goalposts to "collusion's not a crime".
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 23, 2017 11:32:44 GMT -5
Thank god, the former Court TV anchor is weighing in again. He's not quite as calming as Ja Rule in times of turmoil, but he'll have to do... Normal to ignore the content by trashing the writer. I thought he explained quite a bit in his article even if you question his conclusions. Sorry, I'm not sure what compelling prose you found in the piece. My favorite part was the insinuation that Mueller could drum up fake accusations against Trump, since what does it matter, since it's not going before a judge/jury. Then he uses the Bill Clinton case as an example of that happening. While I don't want to assume too much about you Ed, but I find it hard to believe that you agree that the charges against Clinton were "meritless".
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 23, 2017 11:37:19 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election? No, but that is what the special counsel and more importantly the SSCI and perhaps HPSCI are supposedly investigating. Ed, do you have any evidence that Trump actually cares about this issue as he has yet to even acknowledge that it has occurred? His AG even said that he has never received a briefing on it (but perhaps that is because he is conflicted out as he has now retained a personal attorney to represent him with respect to the various investigations -- which is a prudent thing to do in his circumstance). His press secretary Spicer has even said he's never discussed it with Trump. That's just plain odd. Trump has not evidenced the slighted degree of interest in Russian interference in the election. Why is that? Assume no collusion -- I have opined that Trump's and/or Kushner's financial entanglements with Russian oligarchs and sanctioned Russian-controlled banks may be the reason he wants to squash the Russian investigation. Ed, perhaps you haven't noticed but I've been critical of Obama's foreign policy and his handling of the Russian interference. Why is your default mode to defend Trump? I understand that you do not support Trump the person or politician but you claim to support his policies. That's like saying at least Mussolini made the trains run on time. Is there any moral component to supporting an individual like Trump?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 11:48:58 GMT -5
Don't forget that Ken Starr started out by investigating a real estate deal and ended up getting Bill Clinton on lying to Congress when asked about Monica Lewinsky. Republicans were pretty Editeding happy about that 20 years ago.
This started with collusion, but has now wound its way to obstruction (self-inflicted wound, by the way - had he not fired Comey, the FBI might still be trying to find evidence of collusion), and is probably going to end up deep in things like shell-company real estate deals and money laundering. Trump is terrified of that. He's made a lot of money working with shady-ass Russians over the years, and I'm guessing that they hold a lot of sway over him (in the form of debt).
At a minimum, he's compromised in dealing with Russia because his personal finances are at some risk. At a maximum, God only knows...but it's probably a hell of a lot worse than lying about a blow job.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 13:07:22 GMT -5
Normal to ignore the content by trashing the writer. I thought he explained quite a bit in his article even if you question his conclusions. Interesting you mention "trashing" people and "evidence" in your last two posts. Do you have any evidence that Mueller, a bronze star recipient and a George Bush appointed FBI Director is incapable of making unbiased decisions as your article suggests? No.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 13:08:43 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election? Where did he say Trump colluded with the Russians? I must have missed that. He didn't. I just asked a question.
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 13:23:29 GMT -5
SS, do you have any evidence Trump colluded with the Russians in the election? No, but that is what the special counsel and more importantly the SSCI and perhaps HPSCI are supposedly investigating. Ed, do you have any evidence that Trump actually cares about this issue as he has yet to even acknowledge that it has occurred? His AG even said that he has never received a briefing on it (but perhaps that is because he is conflicted out as he has now retained a personal attorney to represent him with respect to the various investigations -- which is a prudent thing to do in his circumstance). His press secretary Spicer has even said he's never discussed it with Trump. That's just plain odd. Trump has not evidenced the slighted degree of interest in Russian interference in the election. Why is that? Assume no collusion -- I have opined that Trump's and/or Kushner's financial entanglements with Russian oligarchs and sanctioned Russian-controlled banks may be the reason he wants to squash the Russian investigation. Ed, perhaps you haven't noticed but I've been critical of Obama's foreign policy and his handling of the Russian interference. Why is your default mode to defend Trump? I understand that you do not support Trump the person or politician but you claim to support his policies. That's like saying at least Mussolini made the trains run on time. Is there any moral component to supporting an individual like Trump? Initially the purpose of the investigation was to find out if there was collusion. To date there is no evidence to support collusion. My default mode is not to defend Trump but to cut to the purpose of the investigation which all other posters on this thread seem to want to ignore. If I ever find objectivity in posts in this thread, you would be amazed at what I post. Your comparison to Mussolini is insulting.
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Post by TC on Jun 23, 2017 14:04:53 GMT -5
Initially the purpose of the investigation was to find out if there was collusion. To date there is no evidence to support collusion. You do not know that. We don't know what the investigation has produced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:11:30 GMT -5
Initially the purpose of the investigation was to find out if there was collusion. To date there is no evidence to support collusion. And the initial purpose of the Whitewater investigation was to look into questionable real estate deals. That ended with a President being impeached for lying about a blow job, but not for anything related to real estate. Mueller and company are no longer just looking at collusion, and to think that's the only thing they should be looking for is naive. Everything about Trump's world is on the table here. And, frankly, it should be. If he's making decisions on US foreign policy based on doing what's best for managing his debt with the Russians (or the Saudis, or anyone else), that's dangerous for this country. Far more dangerous than lying about an affair with an intern. Objectively. For all of the Republican handwringing about whether Hillary Clinton would grant favors to countries that had made grants to the Clinton Foundation, there's a lot of silence from the same people about finding out if Trump would grant favors to countries that he's in hock to.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 23, 2017 15:52:11 GMT -5
No, but that is what the special counsel and more importantly the SSCI and perhaps HPSCI are supposedly investigating. Ed, do you have any evidence that Trump actually cares about this issue as he has yet to even acknowledge that it has occurred? His AG even said that he has never received a briefing on it (but perhaps that is because he is conflicted out as he has now retained a personal attorney to represent him with respect to the various investigations -- which is a prudent thing to do in his circumstance). His press secretary Spicer has even said he's never discussed it with Trump. That's just plain odd. Trump has not evidenced the slighted degree of interest in Russian interference in the election. Why is that? Assume no collusion -- I have opined that Trump's and/or Kushner's financial entanglements with Russian oligarchs and sanctioned Russian-controlled banks may be the reason he wants to squash the Russian investigation. Ed, perhaps you haven't noticed but I've been critical of Obama's foreign policy and his handling of the Russian interference. Why is your default mode to defend Trump? I understand that you do not support Trump the person or politician but you claim to support his policies. That's like saying at least Mussolini made the trains run on time. Is there any moral component to supporting an individual like Trump? Initially the purpose of the investigation was to find out if there was collusion. To date there is no evidence to support collusion. My default mode is not to defend Trump but to cut to the purpose of the investigation which all other posters on this thread seem to want to ignore. If I ever find objectivity in posts in this thread, you would be amazed at what I post. Your comparison to Mussolini is insulting. Sorry, your default mode is to defend Trump as your continued posts exhibit. I am trying to gain insight into how you approach these issues as I have acknowledged that you have stated you don't support Trump but his policies. The old saying about Mussolini is quite apt. Please respond substantively to whether you support a person such as Trump because you support his policy goals (i.e., he claims he'll make the trains run on time). Trump does not exhibit democratic values we need in a President. He declares the press "the enemy of the people" assaults the federal judiciary (so-called judges), and does not evidence an understanding of the separation of powers. He also attempts to create an alternate factual universe which his supporters inhabit -- classic authoritarian impulses which is also demonstrated in his embrace of Putin, Duterte, and Erdogan. You did not answer the questions: 1) Any evidence that Trump cares that the Russians interfered in the US elections; and 2) is there any moral component to supporting an individual like Trump? Is your answer to question #2 "no" because you support his policy goals? If your answer "yes" please explain. Thanks in advance. “The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased. The movement has been seized by a kind of discrediting madness, in which conspiracy delusions figure prominently. Institutions and individuals that once served an important ideological role, providing a balance to media bias, are discrediting themselves in crucial ways. With the blessings of a president, they have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion. They have allowed political polarization to reach their hearts, and harden them. They have allowed polarization to dominate their minds, and empty them.” www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2017/05/has-conservative-mind-become-diseased-conservative-michael-gerson-thinks-sowww.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-embrace-of-strongmen-is-a-very-bad-strategy/2017/06/22/77f31248-577c-11e7-b38e-35fd8e0c288f_story.htmlFrom earlier this year: Today, March 10, is President Donald Trump's 50th day in office. Since his inauguration on Jan. 20, Trump has governed in a way that poses a unique threat to the integrity of American democracy. www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-destroy-america-20170310-story.html
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 23, 2017 19:11:35 GMT -5
SS, to repeat what I said earlier. I support many of Trump's policies: stronger defense, having NATO countries pay more for their own defense, stronger ties to Israel, pro-life, reduced regulations (particularly environmental), lower taxes, energy independence using all forms of energy whether renewable or not, etc.
I do not like how he is governing nor his choice of words, but often his harsh words have lots of truth in them. The press is very biased. Courts have ignored the Constitution and ruled/legislated so as to foster an agenda rather than ruling on the Constitution and U.S. laws. As for Trump not understanding the separation of powers, that's your opinion.
I lived through Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, etc.and your comment on Mussolini is insulting. I expected better from you. That's worse than anything Trump has said.
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 24, 2017 5:08:08 GMT -5
SS, to repeat what I said earlier. I support many of Trump's policies: stronger defense, having NATO countries pay more for their own defense, stronger ties to Israel, pro-life, reduced regulations (particularly environmental), lower taxes, energy independence using all forms of energy whether renewable or not, etc. I do not like how he is governing nor his choice of words, but often his harsh words have lots of truth in them. The press is very biased. Courts have ignored the Constitution and ruled/legislated so as to foster an agenda rather than ruling on the Constitution and U.S. laws. As for Trump not understanding the separation of powers, that's your opinion. I lived through Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, etc.and your comment on Mussolini is insulting. I expected better from you. That's worse than anything Trump has said. I infer from your answer is that you do not see a moral component in the leadership of this nation. In other words, if the purported policy goals of an abhorrent individual like Trump are congruent with those of your own, you do not care. The fact that you lived through Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin makes your stance baffling to me. My father was a lifelong Republican WW II vet and would be 94 if he were alive and horrified by an individual like Trump as President. You realize that KGB thug and authoritarian Putin is an historical succesor of Stalin? Yet Trump has a strange affinity for him and hosted Lavrov and Kislyak at the White House yukking it up with them while barring the American press and allowing the state-controlled Tass to cover the meeting the day after firing Comey. Perhaps you are not understanding my comment on Mussolini. Many decent Italians lived under the Mussolini regime but threw up their hands and shrugged and accepted that leadership because they somehow believed that he was going to improve their lives. Thus, it is not an insult directed at you but merely an attempt to understand how one rationalizes support for an individual like Trump. On the separation of powers from a conservative publication (and harshly critical of Obama's use of executive power as well): www.nationalreview.com/article/435296/donald-trumps-constitution-end-separation-powers
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 24, 2017 10:18:14 GMT -5
SS, to repeat what I said earlier. I support many of Trump's policies: stronger defense, having NATO countries pay more for their own defense, stronger ties to Israel, pro-life, reduced regulations (particularly environmental), lower taxes, energy independence using all forms of energy whether renewable or not, etc. I do not like how he is governing nor his choice of words, but often his harsh words have lots of truth in them. The press is very biased. Courts have ignored the Constitution and ruled/legislated so as to foster an agenda rather than ruling on the Constitution and U.S. laws. As for Trump not understanding the separation of powers, that's your opinion. I lived through Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin, etc.and your comment on Mussolini is insulting. I expected better from you. That's worse than anything Trump has said. I infer from your answer is that you do not see a moral component in the leadership of this nation. In other words, if the purported policy goals of an abhorrent individual like Trump are congruent with those of your own, you do not care. The fact that you lived through Mussolini, Hitler and Stalin makes your stance baffling to me. My father was a lifelong Republican WW II vet and would be 94 if he were alive and horrified by an individual like Trump as President. You realize that KGB thug and authoritarian Putin is an historical succesor of Stalin? Yet Trump has a strange affinity for him and hosted Lavrov and Kislyak at the White House yukking it up with them while barring the American press and allowing the state-controlled Tass to cover the meeting the day after firing Comey. Perhaps you are not understanding my comment on Mussolini. Many decent Italians lived under the Mussolini regime but threw up their hands and shrugged and accepted that leadership because they somehow believed that he was going to improve their lives. Thus, it is not an insult directed at you but merely an attempt to understand how one rationalizes support for an individual like Trump. On the separation of powers from a conservative publication (and harshly critical of Obama's use of executive power as well): www.nationalreview.com/article/435296/donald-trumps-constitution-end-separation-powersA few pages back I said I would always respect your opinions. That always has expired since you appear to be so enamoured with your own self-righteousness that you feel free to throw terms like Mussolini to insult those who disagree with your opinions. You state an opinion that Trump has no moral compass then you want me to justify why I still support his agenda. I do not accept your premise so I will not respond to that. How dare you suggest I will remain silent on your opinions to foster Trumps agenda. I am the only one on this board that stands up to what he believes despite being ridiculed and made fun of. I don't care what you or anybody else thinks, I have always stated my position. The moral and ethical challenge of this era is the taking of innocent human life and I am amazed that no one, including you, has broken his or her silence to speak up. I am also almost the only one, again with ridicule, to disagree with the chorus of liberal posts on this thread. To infer I am remaining silent is a flat-out lie. On this particular subject I am out of here. Go ahead and resume your insults.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 11:16:22 GMT -5
Is it ok to point out not everybody who opposes Trump is a liberal... Some just see him for what he is...
By Bruce Bartlett
June 24, 2017
Trump has turned out to be far, far worse than I imagined. He has instituted policies so right wing they make Ronald Reagan, for whom I worked, look like a liberal Democrat. He has appointed staff people far to the right of the Republican mainstream in many positions, and they are instituting policies that are frighteningly extreme. Environmental Protection Administration Administrator Scott Pruitt proudly denies the existence of climate change, and is doing his best to implement every item Big Oil has had on its wish list since the agency was established by Richard Nixon. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos is actively hostile to the very concept of public education and is doing her best to abolish it. Every day, Attorney General Jeff Sessions institutes some new policy to take incarceration and law enforcement back to the Dark Ages. Trump’s proposed budget would eviscerate the social safety net for the sole purpose of giving huge tax cuts to the ultrawealthy.
And if those policies weren’t enough, conservatives—who, after all, believe in liberty and a system of checks and balances to restrain the government to its proper role—have plenty of reason to be upset by those actions Trump has taken that transcend our traditional right-left ideological divide. He’s voiced not only skepticism of NATO, but outright hostility to it. He’s pulled America back from its role as an international advocate for human rights. He’s attacked the notion of an independent judiciary. He personally intervened to request the FBI to ease up on its investigation of a former adviser of his, then fired FBI Director James Comey and freely admitted he did so to alleviate the pressure he felt from Comey’s investigation. For those conservatives who were tempted to embrace a “wait-and-see” approach to Trump, what they’ve seen, time and again, is almost unimaginable.
And yet as surprising as this all has been, it’s also the natural outgrowth of 30 years of Republican pandering to the lowest common denominator in American politics. Trump is what happens when a political party abandons ideas, demonizes intellectuals, degrades politics and simply pursues power for the sake of power.
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Post by tashoya on Jun 24, 2017 11:17:52 GMT -5
The taking of innocent human life? What do you think the President's new health care plan will do?
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