DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 7, 2017 21:44:43 GMT -5
The silence from the conservative members of this message board is deafening. If President Obama had asked Comey to drop the Hillary Clinton e-mails investigation in this manner, and was then made public like this, please tell me you would not be calling for Obama's impeachment. Message boards notwithstanding, many veteran conservatives are resolutely critical of Trump--George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Erick Erickson, Bill Kristol, to name a few. At his core, Trump is not a conservative but a populist. Names like Buckley and Kirk mean nothing to him.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Jun 7, 2017 22:01:30 GMT -5
The silence from the conservative members of this message board is deafening. If President Obama had asked Comey to drop the Hillary Clinton e-mails investigation in this manner, and was then made public like this, please tell me you would not be calling for Obama's impeachment. Message boards notwithstanding, many veteran conservatives are resolutely critical of Trump--George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Erick Erickson, Bill Kristol, to name a few. At his core, Trump is not a conservative but a populist. Names like Buckley and Kirk mean nothing to him. I think you're the first one to figure out what he is at his core.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 8, 2017 10:13:17 GMT -5
Wonder what Little Marco got from his dinner with Trump that made him carry water for Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 10:59:35 GMT -5
All these Republicans questioning why Comey didn't stand up to Trump earlier and more forcefully is...ironic?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 11:09:11 GMT -5
Comey: Defending our democracy is "an American thing," not a party thing.
If Comey had given this testimony against Obama, GOP Congress would begin impeachment proceedings the minute hearing ended...
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 8, 2017 11:35:56 GMT -5
McCain is sundowning at an early time in the day. He's thoroughly confused right now. His age is showing, sadly. I have no idea he was doing trying to compare Clinton investigation with Trump investigation. And confusing Comey's name with Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 11:38:44 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Jun 8, 2017 11:42:29 GMT -5
I listened to the entire McCain exchange and have absolutely no idea what he was going for there. Did he really just say that he thinks it's unfair that they've ruled out charges against Clinton in respect to the Russia investigation?
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 8, 2017 11:45:02 GMT -5
As a young LTJG in the U.S. Navy, I learned quickly what an implied order is. Example: The CO comes into our passageway and remarks "My it's a little dingy in here." Action: Have the passageway painted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 12:30:56 GMT -5
Going to get swallowed up in this news cycle but the incompetence and ignorance is stunning. It's home to our largest base in the ME...
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 8, 2017 12:44:13 GMT -5
One fascinating tidbit out of Comey's testimony was Comey describing Sessions relationship with Russia as "problematic" and he could only discuss it in the closed hearing. I infer that there is some classified information regarding Sessions which has not made public or otherwise leaked.
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hoyainspirit
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 8, 2017 18:09:51 GMT -5
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 8, 2017 18:42:07 GMT -5
Is Dershowitz correct? “Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.” www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/dershowitz-comey-confirms-that-im-right-and-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.html
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jun 8, 2017 19:56:40 GMT -5
There's no way that law enforcement should be an arm of political power, which is what that idiot Trump wants to do. That's the method of totalitarian states.
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Post by TC on Jun 8, 2017 22:27:23 GMT -5
Is Dershowitz correct? “Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.” www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/dershowitz-comey-confirms-that-im-right-and-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.htmlGuy who defended OJ puts forth a justification for totalitarianism, Ed wonders if it's kosher. Too bad Nixon didn't know about this fun idea!
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Post by tashoya on Jun 8, 2017 23:47:11 GMT -5
Practically speaking, what's the point of this whole thing? Does anyone really think that whatever is said is going to change a thing? I truly believe, at this point, that President Trump could have said directly to Comey that he needed to drop the investigation or risk being fired and it would just be some testimony on a Thursday. Even if he had said that and it was recorded, I don't think it would change more than a handful of minds of Trump supporters.
We've done immense damage to our standing in the world, put into question numerous long-standing relationships with allies and have told the world that we don't prioritize the health of the planet that sustains us and Trump supporters don't seem to give a rip. Those things may not affect your job or your taxes or the price of milk for you today, but they're huge problems for us as a country. But, hey, he's an outsider and he's not aware of the laws or the rules. He also has no morality, no filter, no talent for diplomacy, no indication of maturity nor sympathy for those in his constituency that are suffering or marginalized. But at least he has a far worse plan than "Obamacare" and is for repealing any and all regulations on banks that, in a perfect world, wouldn't be needed but, in our world, are absolutely necessary. What about any of this is making America great again?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Jun 9, 2017 5:19:11 GMT -5
Tribe v. Dershowitz at about 2:42 in the video. ("He couldn't possibly be more wrong.") The difference between use of Presidential power and the abuse of that power. Sure, Trump has the power but then there's the abuse of it to derail an investigation into your administration and to protect your good buddy Comrade Flynn. Interesting that in all these interactions with Comey Trump never once expressed concern over the Russian interference in the US election. www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/for-trump-abuse-of-power-could-be-as-bad-as-obstruction-963560515810
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Post by EasyEd on Jun 9, 2017 7:34:30 GMT -5
Is Dershowitz correct? “Comey confirmed that under our Constitution, the president has the authority to direct the FBI to stop investigating any individual. I paraphrase, because the transcript is not yet available: the president can, in theory, decide who to investigate, who to stop investigating, who to prosecute and who not to prosecute. The president is the head of the unified executive branch of government, and the Justice Department and the FBI work under him and he may order them to do what he wishes.” www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/06/08/dershowitz-comey-confirms-that-im-right-and-all-democratic-commentators-are-wrong.htmlGuy who defended OJ puts forth a justification for totalitarianism, Ed wonders if it's kosher. Too bad Nixon didn't know about this fun idea! Interesting that you did not answer the question. Doesn't the President have the power to order the FBI to drop investigation into Flynn? If so, why is the press homing in on obstruction of justice?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 7:43:43 GMT -5
Interesting that in all these interactions with Comey Trump never once expressed concern over the Russian interference in the US election. Amen to this. You know what innocent people do? They ask questions like "What is this investigation all about?" and "What can I do to help us get to the bottom of this?" They don't say things like "I hope this investigation can end." and "That friend of mine that you're suspicious of? Leave him alone, he's a good guy." From the beginning, Trump has been FAR more concerned about the fact that people are leaking about the investigation than he has been about the fact that there simply IS an investigation. If that doesn't tell you something, you're not paying attention.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 7:45:04 GMT -5
Guy who defended OJ puts forth a justification for totalitarianism, Ed wonders if it's kosher. Too bad Nixon didn't know about this fun idea! Interesting that you did not answer the question. Doesn't the President have the power to order the FBI to drop investigation into Flynn? If so, why is the press homing in on obstruction of justice? He may have the power, but he also has the ability to abuse that power. Are you okay with that possibility?
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